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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMueller Report, Page 9, second paragraph...
"Second, WHILE THE INVESTIGATION IDENTIFIED NUMEROUS LINKS BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS WITH TIES TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges." (Caps Lock turned on for a reason.)
"No collusion," my ass.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)I thought super PACs were bad but THIS is ridiculous.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)So not a 60% certainly, or 75%. Closer to 95%.
That is why the Federal prosecutors have such a high success rate. They limit themselves to cases that meet that extremely high bar.
But the level for impeachment can and should be much lower. Few people would want a President if there was even a fifty/fifty chance he'd committed treason, right? There would be good grounds for impeachment -- for kicking him out of office.
But you couldn't convict anyone of criminal treason charges -- and put him in prison -- on a 50/50 chance.
Rainbow Droid
(722 posts)because it's literally treason they agree with and would support regardless of what it was called. To these people the rest of us are the traitors, and the quicker the rest of us wise up to this fact the quicker we can start to fix this gigantic mess. And although they want us all to die and would be willing to kill us given the chance, I don't want the same for them. I just want them disarmed, both metaphorically and literally, so their insanity can be healed where possible and contained where necessary.
orleans
(34,049 posts)haunting and horrible
disturbing and devastating
tragic and true
i completely agree with what you wrote. i am certain the "move on, it's over" choir actually agrees with these treason actions
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)We know beyond a reasonable doubt - in plain sight that Trump repeatedly denied and covered up for the Russians as far as their involvement with hacking and stealing from the DNC, etc. - (like vouching for and denying an accused bank robber who you know is guilty as has even shared with you some of the stolen money) - this makes you an ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT:
18 U.S. Code § 3. Accessory after the fact
U.S. Code
Notes
Authorities (CFR)
Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.
Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 99646, § 43, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3601; Pub. L. 101647, title XXXV, § 3502, Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4921; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, §§ 330011(h), 330016(2)(A), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2145, 2148.)
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)garybeck
(9,942 posts)If you look at the meeting between kilimnik and manafort, it is clearly being a reasonable doubt.
Gates was there.
He told mueller what was said, and what information was transferred.
Manafort admitted it when he plead guilty.
How is that not beyond a reasonable doubt, if the people there admitted to it?
A DAY IN THE LIFE
(88 posts)Did they discuss campaign contributions or bribes; or operations that can be taken to undermine the election? If so, where is the physical evidence?
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Many others
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Or was it in the report that way?
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)I was screaming because I was rolled up on NBC News last night. I had to turn that shit off because Trumps fat smarmy face was going on and on about there having never been collusion and the report proving it. Then I downloaded Volume 1 (the report says theres a Volume 2, and I bet thats REALLY fun!) and the report PROVES collusion before I get ten pages in.
If this was April 1792 rather than April 2019, Les Depot a Domiciles would currently be having a run on 3/4 rope, Henry 208 Wet Patch Roof Cement (the ONLY tar to buy!), feather pillows, railroad ties, pitchforks and tiki torches. But weve grown up from those days.
Yknow, Im old enough to remember when Republicans hated the Russians.
RAB910
(3,497 posts)Had Trump not obstructed justice he would have been found guilty of collusion
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)Id say we had a solid case on that charge...however, they didnt put me in charge.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)Trump has extensive experience in destroying and hiding evidence, even under court orders