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jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:00 AM Apr 2019

Mueller Report, Page 9, second paragraph...

"Second, WHILE THE INVESTIGATION IDENTIFIED NUMEROUS LINKS BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS WITH TIES TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges." (Caps Lock turned on for a reason.)

"No collusion," my ass.

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Mueller Report, Page 9, second paragraph... (Original Post) jmowreader Apr 2019 OP
WTF does it take for criminal charges?! democratisphere Apr 2019 #1
It takes evidence to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. pnwmom Apr 2019 #3
Yes, and the problem is that 20-30% of America doesn't seem to care about a 50/50 chance of treason, Rainbow Droid Apr 2019 #4
" it's literally treason they agree with" orleans Apr 2019 #6
We know beyond a reasonable doubt - in plain sight ElementaryPenguin Apr 2019 #8
You're right. I was thinking about the collusion side. pnwmom Apr 2019 #15
It is beyond a reasonable doubt. garybeck Apr 2019 #14
It isn't illegal to talk to Russians A DAY IN THE LIFE Apr 2019 #7
It would be enough for Meowmee Apr 2019 #2
Did you cap lock? Soxfan58 Apr 2019 #5
I did jmowreader Apr 2019 #10
Remember the obstruction of justice limited the evidenced RAB910 Apr 2019 #9
And that is a slam dunk point for impeaching the turd BSdetect Apr 2019 #11
Exactly right jmowreader Apr 2019 #12
+1. The purpose of his obstruction is to hide the evidence dalton99a Apr 2019 #13

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
3. It takes evidence to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:04 AM
Apr 2019

So not a 60% certainly, or 75%. Closer to 95%.

That is why the Federal prosecutors have such a high success rate. They limit themselves to cases that meet that extremely high bar.

But the level for impeachment can and should be much lower. Few people would want a President if there was even a fifty/fifty chance he'd committed treason, right? There would be good grounds for impeachment -- for kicking him out of office.

But you couldn't convict anyone of criminal treason charges -- and put him in prison -- on a 50/50 chance.

Rainbow Droid

(722 posts)
4. Yes, and the problem is that 20-30% of America doesn't seem to care about a 50/50 chance of treason,
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:12 AM
Apr 2019

because it's literally treason they agree with and would support regardless of what it was called. To these people the rest of us are the traitors, and the quicker the rest of us wise up to this fact the quicker we can start to fix this gigantic mess. And although they want us all to die and would be willing to kill us given the chance, I don't want the same for them. I just want them disarmed, both metaphorically and literally, so their insanity can be healed where possible and contained where necessary.

orleans

(34,049 posts)
6. " it's literally treason they agree with"
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:28 AM
Apr 2019

haunting and horrible
disturbing and devastating
tragic and true

i completely agree with what you wrote. i am certain the "move on, it's over" choir actually agrees with these treason actions

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
8. We know beyond a reasonable doubt - in plain sight
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:48 AM
Apr 2019
That Trump fired Comey "because of this Russiar thing was a hoax" (to kill that investigation)

We know beyond a reasonable doubt - in plain sight that Trump repeatedly denied and covered up for the Russians as far as their involvement with hacking and stealing from the DNC, etc. - (like vouching for and denying an accused bank robber who you know is guilty as has even shared with you some of the stolen money) - this makes you an ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT:

18 U.S. Code § 3. Accessory after the fact
U.S. Code
Notes
Authorities (CFR)

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 99–646, § 43, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3601; Pub. L. 101–647, title XXXV, § 3502, Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4921; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §§ 330011(h), 330016(2)(A), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2145, 2148.)

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
14. It is beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:04 AM
Apr 2019

If you look at the meeting between kilimnik and manafort, it is clearly being a reasonable doubt.

Gates was there.
He told mueller what was said, and what information was transferred.

Manafort admitted it when he plead guilty.

How is that not beyond a reasonable doubt, if the people there admitted to it?

 
7. It isn't illegal to talk to Russians
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:41 AM
Apr 2019

Did they discuss campaign contributions or bribes; or operations that can be taken to undermine the election? If so, where is the physical evidence?

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
10. I did
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:54 AM
Apr 2019

I was screaming because I was rolled up on NBC News last night. I had to turn that shit off because Trump’s fat smarmy face was going on and on about there having never been collusion and the report proving it. Then I downloaded Volume 1 (the report says there’s a Volume 2, and I bet that’s REALLY fun!) and the report PROVES collusion before I get ten pages in.

If this was April 1792 rather than April 2019, Les Depot a Domiciles would currently be having a run on 3/4” rope, Henry 208 Wet Patch Roof Cement (the ONLY tar to buy!), feather pillows, railroad ties, pitchforks and tiki torches. But we’ve grown up from those days.

Y’know, I’m old enough to remember when Republicans hated the Russians.

RAB910

(3,497 posts)
9. Remember the obstruction of justice limited the evidenced
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:51 AM
Apr 2019

Had Trump not obstructed justice he would have been found guilty of collusion

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
12. Exactly right
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:57 AM
Apr 2019

I’d say we had a solid case on that charge...however, they didn’t put me in charge.

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
13. +1. The purpose of his obstruction is to hide the evidence
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:58 AM
Apr 2019

Trump has extensive experience in destroying and hiding evidence, even under court orders

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