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Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

Finally! Nadler did it.


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Reply Finally! Nadler did it. (Original post)
triron Apr 2019 OP
lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #1
FakeNoose Apr 2019 #3
lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #5
jmowreader Apr 2019 #7
Perseus Apr 2019 #10
ehrnst Apr 2019 #19
Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #22
ehrnst Apr 2019 #15
jayschool2013 Apr 2019 #17
HuskyOffset Apr 2019 #21
George II Apr 2019 #25
druidity33 Apr 2019 #34
Blecht Apr 2019 #2
triron Apr 2019 #4
Blecht Apr 2019 #8
ehrnst Apr 2019 #16
Raven123 Apr 2019 #20
malaise Apr 2019 #6
pdsimdars Apr 2019 #9
BSdetect Apr 2019 #11
roamer65 Apr 2019 #12
watoos Apr 2019 #18
liberalnarb Apr 2019 #13
msongs Apr 2019 #14
Nitram Apr 2019 #23
George II Apr 2019 #24
DownriverDem Apr 2019 #26
Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #28
Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #27
DownriverDem Apr 2019 #30
Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #32
doc03 Apr 2019 #29
DownriverDem Apr 2019 #31
doc03 Apr 2019 #33
triron Apr 2019 #35
Name removed Apr 2019 #36

Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:14 AM

1. May 1st. Always another delay. I see no reason for it. WALK DOWN THE DAMN HALL AND DROP IT!

I swear! Does the rest of the world allow 10 days between demands and replies??? Can I wait 10 days to pay my restaurant bill? Rent? Mortgage? If my boss says there's a meeting, can I delay it 10 days?

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

3. The House is on break next week

Well it's called "District Work Period" but I think means they're out of Washington and in their home districts for the week. Conveniently it coincides with Easter week and Passover.


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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:24 AM

5. That only means they're not expected in dc offices or floor votes: It doesn't stop someone from

sending an intern with a thumb drive to a congress person's location.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:31 AM

7. The government DOES have secure FTP

I want the file to come from Muellerís own computer. That way we know itís accurate.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:45 AM

10. Agreed...what is the need to give them so much time

Always a risk they will tamper with the information.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:13 PM

19. Because there are procedures that have to be followed.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:23 PM

22. Precisely

Things are happening rather quickly in this entire process. That we have become so accustomed to instant gratification makes that difficult for many to accept that procedures and process require these time frames.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:03 PM

15. So, you're familiar with these procedures?

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Are you a lawyer?

Can you tell me what is wrong in this document?

https://www.weil.com/~/media/files/pdfs/subpoenas-responding-to-a-subpoena.pdf

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:34 PM

17. If you're a journalist

and you've ever filed a Freedom of Information Act or state open-records-law request, you know that simply forwarding a file to someone takes much more time and money than you might imagine.

It's frustrating.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:24 PM

21. Isn't that over 1 million pages?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that all the "underlying materials" comprises around 1 million pages. If that has to be physically duplicated (I admit, I have no idea if stuff like this is done electronically or duplicated physically), how long would it take you to photocopy and organize 1 million pages?

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:52 PM

25. Most representatives are currently in their home districts. Nadler's two press conferences...

....were conducted from Manhattan. The House is in recess and won't be in session until April 29. May 1 is two days later.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:04 PM

34. If my boss says I need to be in a meeting

for disciplinary reasons and I don't have a steward available or other factors involved make the scheduling complicated... it can sometimes take 2 weeks to have that meeting. As a shop steward I have intentionally slow-walked meetings. 10 days is the outside edge of that window though...


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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:17 AM

2. Yes - this is action!

Much better than just a tweet burn or a strongly worded letter.

Nadler really did have to wait to see what bullshit Barr would pull first.

He didn't waste any time getting that subpoena out -- less than 24 hours after getting the redacted report. Good on him.

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Response to Blecht (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:22 AM

4. Why did he 'have to wait'?

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:33 AM

8. I'm not a lawyer

But I think it is analogous to any legal process -- you need to show that you tried all possible means to get what you are entitled to before you resort to strong legal action.

Issuing a subpoena before he saw what Barr was going to give him would be like filing a suit over a dispute before you received the response to a request you made to resolve it. Any legal action I've been involved in has worked that way.

Nadler, along with the rest of us, has received his response, and it has been confirmed that Barr is the scumbag he has always been.

Now is the time to subpoena every one of these fuckers.

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:10 PM

16. Because that's the way it works.

You say, "We are going to be reasonable. You release the full report, by the day we agreed on. If you don't then we subpoena Mueller."

Then you wait for them to fuck up. You point out publicly that they didn't hold up their part of the deal, so you are completely justified in carrying out the consequence.

Who take someone seriously who moved the goalposts? If someone said, If you pay the money you owe by Friday, I won't report it to the credit bureau - then on Wednesday, they reported you to the credit bureau, what do you have to gain by paying them back at all?

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:22 PM

20. My bet is that no judge would rule until the redacted veesion was released

They just donít like to step in until they absolutely have to.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:28 AM

6. How do you mean finally?

The report came out yesterday. Dems took the steps to organize the subpoena in advance because they knew ReTHUGs would release a redacted version the day before the recess.

Bravo Dems!!

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:44 AM

9. Yes, but why do they give them WEEKS to do it? They don't have to ship it, they can walk it over.

 

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:47 AM

11. Yest another chunk of time wasted

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:50 AM

12. They're trying to stall until the November 2020 election.

They want the people to remove him from office.

Just IMO.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:37 PM

18. Bingo

 

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:51 AM

13. Good move.

 

Kudos to Rep Nadler.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:59 AM

14. did what? nt

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:27 PM

23. "Finally?" He couldn't very well subpoena the report before it was released.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:49 PM

24. Right. The subpoena was issued about 19 hours after the report was released. He had to see....

....what was actually released to demand what was wasn't.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:53 PM

26. Exactly

There seems to be a lot of folks who don't know how it all works.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:12 PM

28. True. nt

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:11 PM

27. BOOM! Fingers crossed. Hope they get it. God, I hope they get it.

The ones with security clearances are ENTITLED to see the entire thing, except maybe Grand Jury testimony.

Then they can release to the public the parts that aren't classified. If anything.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:51 PM

30. It will

end up before the Supreme Court. This is beginning to look so much like the fight Nixon had too.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:57 PM

32. So far, Nixon would be winning. :( nt

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Response to triron (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:21 PM

29. They will ignore it and apparently there is nothing

to enforce it. Like they had to give up Trump's tax returns they just say no.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:52 PM

31. Yes there is

Supreme Court will rule. Google the fight Nixon had with requests. He finally lost.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:02 PM

33. The supreme court is a joke, owned by the Republicans nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:26 PM

35. Have the democrats given up?

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