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femmedem

(8,199 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:59 PM Apr 2019

Vox: The problem with impeachment.

I'm in the pro-impeachment hearing camp, as I've indicated in another OP. But I also like reading different points of view, and I appreciate how carefully thought out this is. It's an engaging read.

It was very hard to choose just four paragraphs:

"...This brings us back to the question of elections, the frontline mechanism of democratic accountability. Behind some of these arguments is a fear, I think, that the American public doesn’t care enough about the rule of law to protect it themselves in the next election. After all, Democrats didn’t run on Mueller in 2018, and there’s no evidence they want to run on his findings in 2020, either. Will all this really go unpunished? What if Trump then wins reelection?

“If you’re president, you get to commit whatever crime you’d like, so long as your party has enough votes in Congress to help you escape conviction,” writes Favreau. “Does that seem like a great precedent?”

No, it’s a terrible precedent. But then, we’re trapped in a terrible political system. All the options are bad. Justice is never assured, and it’s not even likely.

As I understand the House Democrats’ plan, it’s to use the Mueller report to launch investigations, send out subpoenas, and hold public hearings. All of that could lead to revelations that tilt the public toward impeachment, it could prove that the public doesn’t consider these revelations important enough to merit impeachment, or it could simply inform the public to help them make a decision in the 2020 election...."


More: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/19/18485862/mueller-report-trump-impeachment-obstruction

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Vox: The problem with impeachment. (Original Post) femmedem Apr 2019 OP
Bring forth some hearings/investigations! They better have damn good and yes coordinated, UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #1
I have a lot of faith that they will. n/t femmedem Apr 2019 #3
I call it... Zoonart Apr 2019 #5
There's supposedly 100,000 Turbineguy Apr 2019 #2
That's a scary thought. femmedem Apr 2019 #6
The media is already signaling Buzz cook Apr 2019 #4
All strong points. femmedem Apr 2019 #7
Even if impeachment fails abqtommy Apr 2019 #8
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
1. Bring forth some hearings/investigations! They better have damn good and yes coordinated,
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:01 PM
Apr 2019

follow up etc. questions.

Turbineguy

(37,312 posts)
2. There's supposedly 100,000
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:15 PM
Apr 2019

right-wing-nut-job terrorists itching to start shooting other Americans. Trump should be impeached, but don't expect these creeps to be happy about it.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
4. The media is already signaling
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:19 PM
Apr 2019

that it will punish democrats for starting impeachment. Add to that there is also the claim in the media that anything except a conviction in the senate will be a total failure and cost the democrats the election.

Given that the media loves their own narratives, I wouldn't put it past them to make the later a self fulfilling prophecy.

Imho that it one of the reasons Pelosi has a go slow policy. She hopes to bring the media along and sell impeachment to them.

femmedem

(8,199 posts)
7. All strong points.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:11 PM
Apr 2019

Of course, a segment of the media will punish democrats no matter which route they take.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
8. Even if impeachment fails
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:20 PM
Apr 2019

the effort isn't wasted since as soon as the miscreant leaves office here comes indictments! It is possible to do the right thing one step at a time!

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