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The Point... (Original Post) MrScorpio Apr 2019 OP
Silence is consent. dalton99a Apr 2019 #1
hear, hear! anarch Apr 2019 #2
This is not a binary choice mcar Apr 2019 #3
x1000! peggysue2 Apr 2019 #8
While all the while, Democrats are pushing their ideas/bills for healthcare, education mcar Apr 2019 #9
Exactly, because we can walk and chew gum at the same time peggysue2 Apr 2019 #10
Yes! mcar Apr 2019 #11
I don't think everybody pushing for impeachment... lame54 Apr 2019 #12
Pelosi did not say off the table mcar Apr 2019 #13
She did with Bush... lame54 Apr 2019 #16
You're correct in this FakeNoose Apr 2019 #4
or mopinko Apr 2019 #6
We are all so worried that the Repubican Senate won't convict, and that is why we need world wide wally Apr 2019 #5
We don't fight fascists to win. We fight fascists because they're fascists. scrutineer Apr 2019 #7
Could not agree more. edhopper Apr 2019 #14
Thank you Mr. Scorpio! smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #15

anarch

(6,535 posts)
2. hear, hear!
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:22 AM
Apr 2019

We need to lay it out for everyone to clearly see - we know how it's likely to go in the Senate, but that's part of the point.

I don't see impeachment directly leading to removal, but if this situation doesn't merit the proper exercise of Congress's oversight powers (such as we are able to do when one of our main political parties have abandoned the rule of law), then nothing does.

mcar

(42,301 posts)
3. This is not a binary choice
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:23 AM
Apr 2019

It isn't impeach or silence. Public hearings will pave the way to impeachment and that is what Democrats are doing.

Right now, the public doesn't support impeachment. Once the public hearings start, I believe that will change.

Also, dotard's approval is down to 37%, per a poll taken after the Mueller Report came out. If that keeps going down, Republicans will start deserting the sinking ship out of fear of losing their phony baloney jobs.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
8. x1000!
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:34 PM
Apr 2019

The Trumpster absolutely deserves impeachment. High crimes and misdemeanors, words with Trump's name scribbled across them.

But . . . we need to use our ammunition as effectively as possible. Public hearings, the constant drumbeat of corruption and malfeasance is how we do that. Day after day after day, the stories come out, the interviews are conducted, the media reports, reacts and analyzes. Day after day after day, the Trumpster gets trashed, the Trumpster bellows more insane lies and the media keeps count.

Day after day after day is the drip, drip, drip of condemnation and disgust that Donald Trump so richly deserves. And the polls continue dropping as the 2020 election looms larger. Let's all remember what Republicans did to Hillary Clinton on a daily basis. This time we throw it right back with actual evidence on our side.

Will the GOP continue to support an albatross around their necks? Risk their seats for a lying con man?

I don't think so. Impeachment will be a marathon, not a sprint if our goal is to mortally wound Trump and his enablers, until all of them are exposed for the grifters and criminals they truly are.

mcar

(42,301 posts)
9. While all the while, Democrats are pushing their ideas/bills for healthcare, education
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:53 PM
Apr 2019

climate change, voting rights, etc.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
10. Exactly, because we can walk and chew gum at the same time
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:02 PM
Apr 2019

We push the positive agenda, the issues the electorate cares about while the Trumpster and his cohorts sink deeper in their own hand-crafted garbage.

lame54

(35,284 posts)
12. I don't think everybody pushing for impeachment...
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:33 PM
Apr 2019

Mean they want a vote today

I think they(we) are more in line with your thinking but remember Pelosi's off the table remark and want reassurance that it is not the attitude this time around

FakeNoose

(32,629 posts)
4. You're correct in this
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:31 AM
Apr 2019

However taking action to impeach this pResident means we also must acknowledge that he won't be convicted by the current Senate. For the House to take action now we must acknowledge that it could hurt Democratic candidates' chances for election or re-election in 2020.

Which is the better play: losing the morale-boosting impeachment or winning at the ballot box next year?

I believe the Dems can and will win the White House in 2020 if we have the right candidate and if we run a great campaign against Chump. We even have a chance to beat a few of the terrible Repukes in the Senate: McConnell, Graham, and a few others. Once we have elected Democrats into the Senate and the White House, then we can talk about righting wrongs and convicting people of their crimes.

mopinko

(70,077 posts)
6. or
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:04 PM
Apr 2019

after a run of hearings that make benghazi look like a blip in time, the thugs in the senate still refuse to convict, the people step up and drain the swamp.

even w/o the senate, we get to not only drag spanky through the mud, but we even get to bash all the enablers.
like burr, who pretended so well that he was legit, running to the wh to tattle tale.

if he slips through the net, the pitchforks might finally come out.

and crimes can still be prosecuted. impeachment doesnt change that.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
5. We are all so worried that the Repubican Senate won't convict, and that is why we need
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:46 AM
Apr 2019

to speak to the people during impeachment hearings. Our ace in the hole is the election being a fairly short time after the hearings.
Ask yourself this: After seeing the evidence Mueller provided and making our case to the voters, do you think anyone besides MAGATs are going to see Trump as not guilty?

scrutineer

(1,156 posts)
7. We don't fight fascists to win. We fight fascists because they're fascists.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:15 PM
Apr 2019

I came across that sentiment a coupla months ago - I was reading about the French resistance during WW2.

And I don't want to get into a debate about whether the Trumpskis are fascists. We fight the Trumpskis because they're Trumpskis.

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