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(81,450 posts)anarch
(6,535 posts)We need to lay it out for everyone to clearly see - we know how it's likely to go in the Senate, but that's part of the point.
I don't see impeachment directly leading to removal, but if this situation doesn't merit the proper exercise of Congress's oversight powers (such as we are able to do when one of our main political parties have abandoned the rule of law), then nothing does.
mcar
(42,301 posts)It isn't impeach or silence. Public hearings will pave the way to impeachment and that is what Democrats are doing.
Right now, the public doesn't support impeachment. Once the public hearings start, I believe that will change.
Also, dotard's approval is down to 37%, per a poll taken after the Mueller Report came out. If that keeps going down, Republicans will start deserting the sinking ship out of fear of losing their phony baloney jobs.
The Trumpster absolutely deserves impeachment. High crimes and misdemeanors, words with Trump's name scribbled across them.
But . . . we need to use our ammunition as effectively as possible. Public hearings, the constant drumbeat of corruption and malfeasance is how we do that. Day after day after day, the stories come out, the interviews are conducted, the media reports, reacts and analyzes. Day after day after day, the Trumpster gets trashed, the Trumpster bellows more insane lies and the media keeps count.
Day after day after day is the drip, drip, drip of condemnation and disgust that Donald Trump so richly deserves. And the polls continue dropping as the 2020 election looms larger. Let's all remember what Republicans did to Hillary Clinton on a daily basis. This time we throw it right back with actual evidence on our side.
Will the GOP continue to support an albatross around their necks? Risk their seats for a lying con man?
I don't think so. Impeachment will be a marathon, not a sprint if our goal is to mortally wound Trump and his enablers, until all of them are exposed for the grifters and criminals they truly are.
mcar
(42,301 posts)climate change, voting rights, etc.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)We push the positive agenda, the issues the electorate cares about while the Trumpster and his cohorts sink deeper in their own hand-crafted garbage.
lame54
(35,284 posts)Mean they want a vote today
I think they(we) are more in line with your thinking but remember Pelosi's off the table remark and want reassurance that it is not the attitude this time around
mcar
(42,301 posts)WRT Trump.
lame54
(35,284 posts)Which was implied by the the word remember
And we still remember that
FakeNoose
(32,629 posts)However taking action to impeach this pResident means we also must acknowledge that he won't be convicted by the current Senate. For the House to take action now we must acknowledge that it could hurt Democratic candidates' chances for election or re-election in 2020.
Which is the better play: losing the morale-boosting impeachment or winning at the ballot box next year?
I believe the Dems can and will win the White House in 2020 if we have the right candidate and if we run a great campaign against Chump. We even have a chance to beat a few of the terrible Repukes in the Senate: McConnell, Graham, and a few others. Once we have elected Democrats into the Senate and the White House, then we can talk about righting wrongs and convicting people of their crimes.
after a run of hearings that make benghazi look like a blip in time, the thugs in the senate still refuse to convict, the people step up and drain the swamp.
even w/o the senate, we get to not only drag spanky through the mud, but we even get to bash all the enablers.
like burr, who pretended so well that he was legit, running to the wh to tattle tale.
if he slips through the net, the pitchforks might finally come out.
and crimes can still be prosecuted. impeachment doesnt change that.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)to speak to the people during impeachment hearings. Our ace in the hole is the election being a fairly short time after the hearings.
Ask yourself this: After seeing the evidence Mueller provided and making our case to the voters, do you think anyone besides MAGATs are going to see Trump as not guilty?
scrutineer
(1,156 posts)I came across that sentiment a coupla months ago - I was reading about the French resistance during WW2.
And I don't want to get into a debate about whether the Trumpskis are fascists. We fight the Trumpskis because they're Trumpskis.