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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:20 PM

Gin and Tacos blogger on impeachment

If "The senate won't convict" is the argument against impeachment and "The Senate won't pass it" is the argument against House legislative efforts, what is it exactly that you strategists believe the House Democrats should spend the next 18 months doing?

Is the goal to just...be in the majority, and then sit there? "Yes! We took the House! Now, to hold HEARINGS on stuff for 2 years"?

That's like, Beto-level emptiness. Keep saying stuff like "We all need to come together" without ever saying TO DO WHAT.

https://www.facebook.com/ginandtacos/posts/10156811980101677

Here's the take-home point.

What we confirmed today is that Democrats can never wait for bipartisan buy-in to act against Trump. The GOP has made its deal with the devil and is willing to turn a blind eye to this nakedly corrupt authoritarian clown show in exchange for long-term control of the federal courts.

Either the House Democrats act now, or they just give up and we turn into Putin-era Russia, where the truth becomes so obviously irrelevant and the game so obviously rigged that the public checks out of politics altogether. This really is an important point. What happens next matters. If this isn't impeachable, nothing is impeachable. "But he won't be convicted in the Senate" is a terrible argument, a legacy of the "Let me explain why we can't win and shouldn't try" mindset the Reid-Pelosi-Schumer years have baked into Democratic DNA.

If the current status of our political system is that one party openly abets a corrupt wannabe-dictator and the other party is afraid to challenge him because they think it will make voters mad, then we might as well throw in the towel right now. If not impeachment, then what is the right thing to do? Act "disappointed"? Give pretty speeches?

What if - just maybe - it actually *improved* the party's standing to demonstrate it has basic principles that can't be swayed by amateur theorizing about how it might impact the next election. "We are for the rule of law...unless we worry that White Working Class Diner Customers won't like it" is exactly the kind of spinelessness that those voters detest.

https://www.facebook.com/ginandtacos/posts/10156811256891677

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ProfessorPlum Apr 2019 OP
onecaliberal Apr 2019 #1
Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #2
lame54 Apr 2019 #5
Oppaloopa Apr 2019 #9
UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #17
lame54 Apr 2019 #20
UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #13
MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #3
mountain grammy Apr 2019 #4
gibraltar72 Apr 2019 #6
plimsoll Apr 2019 #8
SunSeeker Apr 2019 #7
EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #10
EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #11
EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #12
UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #14
EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #15
EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #16
moreland01 Apr 2019 #18
ProfessorPlum Apr 2019 #21
watoos Apr 2019 #19

Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:25 PM

1. Nice.

K&R

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:30 PM

2. IMHO we need to trust our dem leaders...stop with the arm chair!

This is like war- impeachment is the name of this particular battle...a very big battle. If we loose this battle we may very well loose the war.

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:43 PM

5. If we refuse to even go to war we may lose...

Truth is we don't know the outcome

But it feels so wrong to do nothing

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Response to lame54 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:30 PM

9. Because it is wrong for good men to do nothing.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:41 PM

17. Who says we are doing nothing. The report came out what...48 hours ago right before Easter and

 

Passover. Relax...the impeachment train is quite large and it takes time for it to get going...but I promise you as it travels along through various counties of misdeed other passengers will board.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:26 PM

20. I believe the person I was answering did...

They don't want to impeach if it means lo(o)sing

Of course we'll lose in the senate - they will never remove Trump regardless of the mountain of evidence

But if we don't fight we risk alienating voters due to inaction

2020 is the goal and impeachment, win or lose, is deeply tied to it

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:37 PM

13. Apparently random internet people know what is going on behind the scenes as well.

 

I think it's time for a break !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:33 PM

3. Needs more Gin.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

4. K & R

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:58 PM

6. Which parts of the constitution should we support??

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:29 PM

8. Well....we could be like the GOP

And only support the parts we like.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:28 PM

7. K & R

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:33 PM

10. THIS THIS THIS. This must surely become obvious to all, quickly.

 

I wish I had written this (with exception of gratuitous slam on Beto).

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:34 PM

11. If Mitch won't let us legislate, we have nothing else to do BUT impeach. SO DO IT.

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:36 PM

12. THIS

 

If the current status of our political system is that one party openly abets a corrupt wannabe-dictator and the other party is afraid to challenge him because they think it will make voters mad, then we might as well throw in the towel right now. If not impeachment, then what is the right thing to do? Act "disappointed"? Give pretty speeches?


Dems --- impeach or resign and go home and cry. Pick one. Now.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:38 PM

14. Oh I love cooking threads!!! nt

 

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:38 PM

15. AND THIS

 

What we confirmed today is that Democrats can never wait for bipartisan buy-in to act against Trump. The GOP has made its deal with the devil and is willing to turn a blind eye to this nakedly corrupt authoritarian clown show in exchange for long-term control of the federal courts.


If you don't see this by now, you need to get your head out of your ass.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:40 PM

16. AMEN

 

"We are for the rule of law...unless we worry that White Working Class Diner Customers won't like it" is exactly the kind of spinelessness that those voters detest.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:59 PM

18. "Beto-level emptiness"?

That's not nice. Some of us like him and what he stands for. How about Mitch-level emptiness. Or some other republican-level emptiness. Stop crapping on our own team!

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Response to moreland01 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:40 PM

21. Yeah, sorry about that

I have no feelings on Beto....he kind of got some side heat from the author, whose other remarks I thought were important.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:01 PM

19. Then there is this,

 

Barr said he would release the grand jury information for impeachment. The flip side of that coin is that I guarantee that Barr will never release that grand jury information without impeachment. The grand jury documents are where all of the juicy stuff is.

We don't have much time, soon Barr will use the excuse that he doesn't want to taint the election.

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