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Nitram

(22,776 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:35 PM Apr 2019

Robert Mueller Failed To Do His Duty

I am beginning to doubt my initial support of Mueller's decisions in how he handled the case. This article in the Post makes some excellent observations on that score.

...by delaying the question of Trump’s interview until month 19 of his tenure, Mueller allowed Trump to run out the clock — a grave tactical error. And second, in an investigation of this public import, getting “substantial evidence” but not the word of the president himself fails to fulfill the special responsibility of a special counsel. In a run-of-the-mill criminal case, a prosecutor’s decision to bypass questioning a difficult figure might make sense; when we are seeking to learn whether a presidential candidate worked with a hostile foreign power to win an election, the public deserves to have that candidate answer questions under oath...

Finally, some of Mueller’s other decisions should be publicly debated. His determination not to bring campaign finance charges against Trump Jr. for soliciting foreign assistance to damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign has been blasted by one of the foremost election law experts, as it turned on a curious view that Mueller could not prove the value of the assistance Russians dangled in front of Trump Jr., and that a prosecution for solicitation of foreign election assistance raised “First Amendment concerns”...

Most important, Mueller’s decision not to also bring charges against Trump Jr. — a private citizen, not protected by any Justice Department policy against prosecution — for conspiring with WikiLeaks (either as a violation of campaign finance laws or other statutes) remains a mystery given the extensive evidence of direct interactions between Trump Jr. and the WikiLeaks team. It is this Mueller decision — which enabled Trump’s “no collusion” boast — that merits the greatest scrutiny in the days ahead.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-mueller-failed-to-do-his-duty/2019/04/19/370a47d8-62a6-11e9-9412-daf3d2e67c6d_story.html?utm_term=.692da37a6c49
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Robert Mueller Failed To Do His Duty (Original Post) Nitram Apr 2019 OP
Yes I believe he was a good soldier for the Republicans Evergreen Emerald Apr 2019 #1
My reading is that Mueller's mistake was to bend over backwards NOT to make any decisions that Nitram Apr 2019 #2
That's the same excuse Comey used as he took brazenly political actions. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #25
That is typical of razorman03038 Jul 2019 #35
Yesterday. democratisphere Apr 2019 #28
It Seems To Me That Mueller Has Placed Institution Over Country Me. Apr 2019 #3
Accurate observation. triron Apr 2019 #9
Excellent piece, Big Blue Marble Apr 2019 #4
I think Mueller tried to hard to avoid the appearance of making "political" decisions. Nitram Apr 2019 #6
You are probably right. Big Blue Marble Apr 2019 #8
odd how that only works in favor of republicans Skittles Apr 2019 #13
Not necessarily. Mueller laid out a clear road map for impeachment or prosecution in the future. Nitram Apr 2019 #16
For that one instance, yes .. Don Jr should be in jail for colluding with wikileaks uponit7771 Apr 2019 #19
Mueller must have known what would happen Skittles Apr 2019 #21
If we are damned if we do and damned if we don't, then we must DO! Impeach! Nitram Apr 2019 #24
absolutely Skittles Apr 2019 #33
Just like Comey hid the Russia investigation to not appear political, while lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #26
So in the end, by trying hard not to make a political decision, he made jrthin Apr 2019 #27
Something is fishy for sure... RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2019 #5
Why did he recommend no jail time for Flynn???? triron Apr 2019 #11
+1, why the narrow focus on Russian "government" officials instead of just plain Russians ?! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #18
Working with Russians is not treason. Working with the Russian government is. Nitram Apr 2019 #31
Working with Russians to gimp the elections is against the law, campaign finance which is uponit7771 Apr 2019 #32
Working with anyone to gimp any election is against the law. Working with the Russian government to Nitram Apr 2019 #34
Yep. He should have said bluntly that the Ruskies interfered with our election and Hoyt Apr 2019 #7
Well, I agree with you. triron Apr 2019 #10
Mr. MUELLER'S REPORT Peace06 Apr 2019 #12
If so, he should have said so in the report or shouting it to media. Hoyt Apr 2019 #14
I wonder that also. wendyb-NC Apr 2019 #29
Yes, he did. RichardRay Apr 2019 #15
The first two are easy, Mueller didn't need Trump by then and Trump Jr can LEGALLY plead stupid... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #17
Not as much as Barr failed to do his. kentuck Apr 2019 #20
I think Mueller did the best he could given that he had to report to DOJ. qdouble Apr 2019 #22
Since Mueller is a republican he didn't Solomon Apr 2019 #23
He didn't do what he was supposed to do. End of story. There are no excuses for being a wuss. Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #30

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
1. Yes I believe he was a good soldier for the Republicans
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:38 PM
Apr 2019

He chose, like Comey, to play politics. Here is the question: When is it time for us to head to the streets in protest?

Nitram

(22,776 posts)
2. My reading is that Mueller's mistake was to bend over backwards NOT to make any decisions that
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:43 PM
Apr 2019

would be viewed by anyone as political. To avoid getting involved in politics, he punted and handed the whole thing over to congress. But as the article points out, "playing it safe" meant avoiding confronting the Trump administration head on, which he had to do to fully carry out his mission..

razorman03038

(24 posts)
35. That is typical of
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jul 2019

pretty much all politicians. CYA. "Success has a thousand fathers. Failure is an orphan."

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
28. Yesterday.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 03:48 PM
Apr 2019

We're going to have to go after drumpf with a borage of hearings under oath and televised before the entire world.
Mueller is a rethuglicon and has made a mess out of his investigation.

Big Blue Marble

(5,056 posts)
4. Excellent piece,
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:53 PM
Apr 2019

well analyzed. Mueller pulled his punches; perhaps too much of a "company man."
I agree that his most grievous error was not indicting Jr.

Big Blue Marble

(5,056 posts)
8. You are probably right.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:35 PM
Apr 2019

It would seem he was looking over his shoulder as he wove through the evidence.

Nitram

(22,776 posts)
16. Not necessarily. Mueller laid out a clear road map for impeachment or prosecution in the future.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:10 PM
Apr 2019

Mueller walked a fine line, and whether or not I agree with it, I think he gave us the evidence we need to impeach or prosecute.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
26. Just like Comey hid the Russia investigation to not appear political, while
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 03:45 PM
Apr 2019

publicly excoriating Hillary. Sure, that looks real apolitical.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,667 posts)
5. Something is fishy for sure...
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:00 PM
Apr 2019

He kept trying to make everybody focus on this direct link connections to the Russian government when they clearly use cuttouts who keep showing up in his report and then he doesn't make the correct connection....come on man!

So much information shows Trump was compromised and Muellar missed a lot of those connections or his team downplayed them.

If you are focusing on obstruction with regard to team trump, you missed it. He obstructed because he collused or conspired however you want to view it !

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
32. Working with Russians to gimp the elections is against the law, campaign finance which is
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 04:40 PM
Apr 2019

... another thing Mueller addressed but said it would be to hard to figure out the value.

I disagree on that one

Nitram

(22,776 posts)
34. Working with anyone to gimp any election is against the law. Working with the Russian government to
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:44 PM
Apr 2019

do so brings a whole mess of additional charges into play.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Yep. He should have said bluntly that the Ruskies interfered with our election and
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:12 PM
Apr 2019

without the interference trump would have like lost.

2. trump and campaign aides welcomed their help.
3. trump threatened, bullied, offered pardons, publicly criticized officials, etc., so they would lie for him.
4. trump is obviously compromised in dealing with Russia Ana some other countries.
5. trump and his family have tried to improperly enrich themselves.
6. Since DOJ protocol prohibits indicting a sitting Prez, Congress should start Impeachment proceedings immediately, and he will be glad to testify against trump and other government officials.
7. More later.

Instead, he beat around the bush and ran.

Peace06

(248 posts)
12. Mr. MUELLER'S REPORT
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:28 PM
Apr 2019

Seems incomplete to me. Like, maybe he was ordered to shut it down? Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Would be a good question for the House to ask.

wendyb-NC

(3,319 posts)
29. I wonder that also.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 04:00 PM
Apr 2019

The investigation seemed to end, rather suddenly, after the new AG Bar, went to work, and after the interim said that it was winding down, more than once. It does seem incomplete, as if the SC, hadn't finished all the investigating the entourage of people in dt's., circle. For what it's worth, that's just the sense I get.

RichardRay

(2,611 posts)
15. Yes, he did.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:01 PM
Apr 2019

He did exactly what he was supposed to do. If the folks in Congress can’t find the guts to finish the job, that’s not on Mueller’s watch.

Have you read the report? Bobby 3Sticks all but begged Congress to do its duty. He did his.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
17. The first two are easy, Mueller didn't need Trump by then and Trump Jr can LEGALLY plead stupid...
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:23 PM
Apr 2019

... to campaign finance and that law allows people to go free if they're stupid of campaign finance law which is screwed up on its face.

I dumb is literally a defense in campaign finance law.

The third!?

Yeah, wtf Mueller !?

qdouble

(891 posts)
22. I think Mueller did the best he could given that he had to report to DOJ.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:11 AM
Apr 2019

If he threw the book at Trump, they would have gotten rid of him and we would have never read the report. He left enough breadcrumbs for Congress to do their job.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
23. Since Mueller is a republican he didn't
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 06:49 AM
Apr 2019

have to worry that a decision would have appeared to be "political." He had a mistrust a democratic special counsel wouldn't have had. Actually, the fact that he didn't do what should have been done looks "political" since he went easy on the Trumps.

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