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Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:58 PM

 

Is the goal to remove Trump from office?

Yes or no?

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Reply Is the goal to remove Trump from office? (Original post)
Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 OP
wryter2000 Apr 2019 #1
MineralMan Apr 2019 #2
TwilightZone Apr 2019 #5
MineralMan Apr 2019 #8
TwilightZone Apr 2019 #14
MineralMan Apr 2019 #15
Boxerfan Apr 2019 #3
TwilightZone Apr 2019 #4
manor321 Apr 2019 #6
cbdo2007 Apr 2019 #7
Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #12
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #18
Buffalo Soldier Apr 2019 #9
More_Cowbell Apr 2019 #10
brooklynite Apr 2019 #11
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #17
SharonAnn Apr 2019 #13
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #16

Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:59 PM

1. Yes

Nothing else is good enough.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:59 PM

2. Well, that's my goal. Apparently, though,

it's not everyone's goal. Why, I do not know...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:04 PM

5. It's the goal of just about everyone who is supporting impeachment.

It is not, however, a realistic goal. The Senate almost assuredly won't convict.

In fact, I'm not convinced that there even *is* a line Trump could cross that would cause the Senate to convict him. I could be wrong, but aside from something truly mind-blowing happening or being exposed in the process, it will likely fail as a removal effort.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:11 PM

8. The only certain way to remove Trump is this:

VOTE HIM OUT!

A public impeachment investigation, however, might well make that easier. It worked on Nixon, if you'll remember. Just get it all out there for everyone to watch. Everyone watched the Nixon hearings. They'll watch this, too.

I'd love to see him removed, but I think voting him out is what will finally get rid of him.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:32 PM

14. Agreed.

I'm just not convinced that we need impeachment at this very moment to put and keep pressure on Trump or that we should rush into it. Public hearings, continued investigations, bring in Mueller and anyone else with relevant information, prepare the case, gather evidence, then figure out what best applies to articles of impeachment, etc. Many are claiming that impeachment is required to obtain certain materials and evidence, but there's no consensus on whether or not that's true.

Frankly, I trust Pelosi, Nadler, et al, to understand the process better than most and understand how best to proceed. Many don't.

Everyone might watch, but unlike late-stage Nixon, nearly everyone made up their minds about Trump long ago. He's essentially closing in on 35/65 now, and I don't see that changing significantly, regardless of the revelations. The 90% of Rs isn't likely going anywhere.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:44 PM

15. By initiating impeachment proceedings, all of those investigations

will take place, and will have constitutional protection, since impeachment is one of the fundamental things the House does. Subpoenas to appear would carry a lot of weight and would be less likely to fail to force appearances. Separation of powers would not apply, since impeaching the President is a constitutional action.

There needn't be any vote by the house to impeach. The proceedings begin with the investigation.

We have models for this in recent history, with Nixon and Clinton. The House can do as it pleases, Constitutionally, with regard to impeachment. It's their job. It's in the Constitution.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:00 PM

3. Simply the truth-expose the Trump organization for exactly what it is.

A crime family.

The next question will be up to the voters.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:02 PM

4. In a just world, sure. In this one, I would hope not, because it's not going to happen.

The Senate will not vote to convict.

If we proceed with impeachment, it is with the understanding that it will almost assuredly fail as a removal effort. So, the reasoning for impeachment would then seem to be that we do it because it's the right thing to do, to influence voters, etc.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:05 PM

6. Yes

 

And if that doesn't work in the end we can do tremendous damage to Trump and Republicans.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:09 PM

7. #1 goal is to uphold the values in the Constitution

#2 goal is to make sure he doesn't get reelected, and I can think of no better way to do this than by impeaching him, if only in the House. Most Repubes stick by Trump for weird reasons but that should make him toxic to even the most hard core Repubes and I would think he would be challenged heavily in the Primaries

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:25 PM

12. So the goal is not to get Trump out of office?

 

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:47 PM

18. +1,

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:14 PM

9. No

 

The goal is to STOP a President who violates their oath of office.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:21 PM

10. My goal is to get back Congress and the Presidency

If holding live televised hearings does that, then great.

I personally feel like Trump will take his toys and go home, the way he always does. I think he's lining up his supporters to think that only a chump needs 4 years, and he accomplished everything he needs to do in 3 years.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:24 PM

11. Yes, in the 2020 Election.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:46 PM

17. Rudy G: "It's OK for Trump to get help from Russia" I don't see that happening without impeachment

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:28 PM

13. I want to totally descredit and humiliate him first. Then he can resign or be removed.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:46 PM

16. If possible but not main goal, get Impeachment powers shine light on red Don crimes

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