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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/us/politics/trump-abortion-fact-check.htmlThis is the statement as quoted from the NYTimes
“The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby,” he said. “I don’t think so.”
“It’s incredible,” Trump said
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What will Trump do? Four choices
A. Apologize for the awful statement
B. Leave it alone, ignore any fall out about the statement
C. Decide to fight over the meaning of the statement..(defend himself on what he said)
D. Say that the media got it all wrong, and, say that he did not say this. That he said something else.
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While Trump has said some truly stupid things, and insensitive things, and lots and lots of lies, this one could be the end of him. It attacks mothers and doctors everywhere. Yes,...everywhere Now, everywhere means just that...everywhere. Here in the U.S.A. and everywhere else....South America, Australia, Norway, Russia...etc........everywhere.
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(35,454 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)This one is unbelievable. It is stupid and it attacks mothers everywhere. This one could do it. It is the dumbest, and most insensitive thing the idiot has said. Some supporters in the media, may ignore this. As the statement at the top says. It will take time to get around. When it does, if it does, and everyone can view this statement as what he said, then he could have really said something totally offensive to hundreds of millions of people...Maybe the media will bury this. But I doubt it. Saying something this stupid, could be the biggest story in Trump's presidency.
Hekate
(96,830 posts)The fanatics have been calling pro-choice advocates "baby killers" for 30+ years, and I am talking about abortion of a zygote. They are so unhinged they call nearly every form of contraceptive an abortifacient.
They are violent people who stalk the children of clinic workers and gun down doctors. And you know how Trump loves violent people.
As for the media, they have never known how to deal with the issue because anti-choice fanatics made it a religious issue and painted the rest of us as dirty people who believe in sex without consequences. There is an American white Christian terrorist network that kills doctors and destroys clinics, but since they aren't Muslim we can't call them terrorists, can we?
Pluvious
(4,934 posts)We've collectively become comfortably numb.
Is there anybody in there ?
sarisataka
(21,625 posts)#9003
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I will believe he is done when he leaves that office.
MineralMan
(148,731 posts)It's a radical anti-abortion claim that is simply not true. Only the most rabid abortion opponents say that, because it's so easily disproven. They can't find a single case where that happened.
So make Trump own his lie.
robbob
(3,673 posts)Although he and his followers will try to frame this as an anti-abortion rant, the situation he is describing has nothing to do with abortion. As other threads here have described (often in heart rending detail, from the point of view of attending nurses and parents who have lost a child this way), this statement is describing the tragic circumstances where an infant is born with a birth defect that will not allow it to survive. tRump is attacking grieving parents over a family tragedy in his typical thoughtless and heartless fashion. THAT is what’s going to come back to bite him. Or one can hope.
FirstLight
(14,791 posts)That's the fucked up part, as that he's equated the two.
I have had that loss in my own family, first grandchild was actually stillborn at term. It was devastating to the entire family...and still hurts years later.
This POS has NO idea about grief, or compassion.
NewJeffCT
(56,844 posts)have they normalized the vile filth that he spews?
Rebl2
(15,914 posts)seen any coverage on this sickening statement he made on this topic. I think the media just can’t keep up with all his crazy statements and lies he tells.
Ohiogal
(36,374 posts)he’ll do either B or D
or he could possibly say he was just joking. (Hey, I wouldn’t put it past him)
However, I don’t think many conservatives are too upset over this. They’ll just shrug and say, “He says a lot of things.”
CrispyQ
(39,306 posts)“Too many OB/GYN’s aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.” George W Bush
I couldn't believe that wasn't a top story the day he said that, but most outlets didn't even report on it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(123,736 posts)It was typically dumb; he probably meant to say something along the line of "aren't able to practice their love of women's medicine" but because he was only half-bright he garbled his message and made it sound like OB-GYNs are a bunch of pervs. It was not, however, an intentional and vicious lie like Trump's remark. I also remember that it did get a lot of media attention.
JHB
(37,608 posts)He'll do what he always does, one part of the Republicans will roar their approval, the rest will mumble some disagreement and then promptly knuckle under, and the nightmare will continue.
Sad, but true.
muriel_volestrangler
(103,275 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10731701
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2187324
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212007288
but there has been one other DUer who once also suggested it: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211161449
Martin Eden
(14,021 posts)Wondering if shooting someone on 5th Avenue will be put to the test.
hibbing
(10,415 posts)
JuJuYoshida
(2,253 posts)vote in 2020, that's where we hit him
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Maybe it won't, but that is really up to opposition leadership.
Like Pelosi, Schumer, even Obama. And those running for the office of President of the United States. On both sides.
.... The statement is so offensive and awful that it stands much too loud to be left alone....With proof of Trump saying this, he needs to respond in some way. If and that response is could do it. (Yes, I said could)
area51
(12,265 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(123,736 posts)Wishful thinking. But, no. The end of Trump will be either the 2020 election or KFC.
FakeNoose
(36,953 posts)
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Will this get around? Will people be talking about it? This is the truth, isn't it?...It is a line that someone doesn't step over.
Here is a comparison that I just made up...(yes, I made this up..NO ONE HAS SAID THIS..I MADE THE US.....)
If a world leader said these 2 sentences....( AND NO ONE HAS SAID THIS)
"Hitler was a wonderful and great man. He was totally correct in killing the Jews and invading Russia and killing millions of Russians"
Yes if someone said the above, it would offend the world. I think the statement that Trump has been accused of saying...offends the world.
calimary
(85,479 posts)
Runningdawg
(4,634 posts)this slime ball has now denigrated the whole profession. Millions of Drs and nurses won't take this lightly and they sure as hell won't be voting for him. To respond to the OP - choice B. He will let it fester.
murielm99
(31,765 posts)that should be the end of him. It never is.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,925 posts)
Pinkflamingo
(177 posts)Spoken like a true narcissist!
He is incapable of feeling empathy and conflates the terms deepest sympathies and warmest regards.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)everyday, he shoots someone on fifth avenue...(metaphorically speaking, of course)..but then...
chowder66
(10,262 posts)Says Gov. Ralph Northam "stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world... then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby."
— Donald Trump on Monday, February 11th, 2019 in a rally.
https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2019/feb/20/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-claims-northam-said-he-would-execute/
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)She is the stereotypical right winged lower educated rural living evangelical Christian who's church talked them into voting for Trump. While I really never engage in any political discussions I mentioned this yesterday. To my surprise she said "that is the dumbest thing he has ever said. What is wrong with him?"
With that said she will never vote for a Democrat. However, in 2016 it was her first time voting. If soured I could easily see her simply not voting for anyone which at this point would be a win for us anyway.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)You don't have to be aggressive or even assertive, but remind her of what she herself said was "the dumbest thing" Trump ever said by comparing it to whatever crapulousness falls out of his mouth next: "Boy, you thought that 'executing babies' thing was the dumbest thing he ever said, but this gives that a run for the money, don't you think?"
get the red out
(13,698 posts)His supporters already feel this way, both the hard-core supporters and the religious right folks who held their nose over his infidelity and pulled the lever because they hate women having bodily autonomy.
spanone
(138,487 posts)Speaking at a rally he hosted in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on Saturday, Trump pointed to former Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who was in attendance, and said Walker's successor, Democratic Gov. Tony Evers "shockingly stated that he will veto legislation that protects Wisconsin babies born alive."
According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Evers planned to veto a GOP-backed state bill that could have meant life sentences in prison for doctors who intentionally did not provide medical care to babies born alive after a failed abortion.
Trump continued on the theme after his initial comment to claim that mothers and doctors are given the choice to "execute" a baby.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/28/politics/trump-rally-wisconsin-abortion/index.html
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Here is a quote from the above story...Milwaukee Sentinal:
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Trump continued on the theme after his initial comment to claim that mothers and doctors are given the choice to "execute" a baby.
"The baby is born," Trump said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so."
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And since lowly citizens and voters can't contact the Emperor Trump directly, it will be up to a supine media to make a stink about it. So, no, calling women and doctors murderers won't hurt him a bit. Because the media will excuse their incuriosity about Trump's remarks with the encomium "everybody knows" what he really meant.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,234 posts)He’ll double down, the cult will defend him, nothing will happen. The only end to him is to vote him out. I’m not so sure we’re even capable of that with the people in this country. He never should have been there in the first place, yet there he is.
Mike Nelson
(10,515 posts)… I think his supporters will love his description.
Initech
(104,269 posts)But we can and should continue to point out how stupid and dangerous this rhetoric is every chance we get. 
matt819
(10,749 posts)It won’t be. The washington post reported today that trump has passed the 10,000 lies mark. That’s not the end of him. Nothing gets through to his cult followers or his sycophants in Congress.
maryellen99
(3,798 posts)
irisblue
(34,860 posts)Source retired health care worker who had to get a one visit pass anytime I had to be there because I was assigned to a different dept.
BamaRefugee
(3,777 posts)fact within 3 days with his base, 5 days with another 30% of gullible idiots.
Autumn
(47,574 posts)fizzles away, then it really didn't happen.
Paladin
(29,824 posts)His brainwashed base will see to it.
irisblue
(34,860 posts)Age old technique that would work with his "poorly educated" base. (his words).
Javaman
(63,456 posts)yaesu
(8,622 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Karadeniz
(23,999 posts)sop
(13,245 posts)Joseph Welch, U.S. Army counsel, famously confronted Senator Joseph McCarthy during his anti-Communist congressional witch hunt: "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
Who in the Republican party leadership will be this generation's Joseph Welch?
Magoo48
(6,102 posts)I would respectfully remind you that nothing appears to dampen the enthusiasm of his cultist mob.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Every week THIS will be the end of Trump.
It’s been years of this now.
When are you all going to realize, we are fucked.
This country is finished. We are witnessing the end of an empire. An idiot is in charge, and he’s not going anywhere.
world wide wally
(21,836 posts)Much more humane
shanti
(21,732 posts)Have you ever heard him apologize for anything?
jimmyzvoice
(159 posts)...either by impeachment or the 2020 election. Comments like the one you quote are not grounds for impeachment but they may add up to more votes against him in 2020. He will never resign.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)He says so many untruthful things every single day and the media doesn't do anything.
IronLionZion
(48,132 posts)he's been done for 3 years now.
Oneironaut
(5,919 posts)Absolutely nothing he says could ever hurt him. He’s not held to the same standard as everyone else. The reason he’s fine here is, the people who hate him will be mad, his moderate supporters won’t care, and the extremists will eat it up and be energized.
Most people know he’s an asshole. They don’t care.
DemoTex
(25,930 posts)Put 'yer money on choice E, and win.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)"That's what everyone is saying".
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And even then I am not so sure. He will find some way to haunt us from beyond the grave. That fact that he has reproduced is enough of a nightmare.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(11,396 posts)
kacekwl
(8,085 posts)where have I heard that before ? 
Codeine
(25,586 posts)And yet he’s still here. Methinks someone should re-examine their notion of effective signal interpretation.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Pretty sure it's not going to hurt him at all. The guy really is invincible.
Ponietz
(3,465 posts)Double down
This is a bloodbath in the making.
catbyte
(36,585 posts)trump being trump..."
It's infuriating and despicable. He's absolutely untouchable to fully 1/3 of this country, perhaps more.
Hekate
(96,830 posts)...he is not talking to you. He is talking to violent people, and he will double down and tell this story again and again until he needs another vile lie to whip up his cultists.
Remember the "human trafficking" story he told to justify the border wall and his abuse of migrants? How lovingly he detailed the picture of helpless women being tied up, the duct tape over their mouths? He stroked this image, and told the story over and over.
He gets pornographic in his descriptions of violence being done to the helpless. Do you think he cares about captive women or slaughtered children even a tiny bit? No, but he sure cares about whipping his audience into a frenzy and aiming them like a cannon at the rest of us.
He will double down. Facts be damned.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He knows exactly what he's doing.
G_j
(40,477 posts)
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)he will lie and make more outlandish statements to back himself up! The media has given Trump a pass on almost every stupid thing he says.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I doubt it.
Ms. Toad
(36,290 posts)According the Washington Post (which is tracking his lies), it is the 5th time he has told that particular lie. The first time in early February.
trueblue2007
(18,425 posts)D. Say that the media got it all wrong, and, say that he did not say this. That he said something else.
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0rganism
(24,916 posts)we've been underestimating this asshole since 2015.
you can keep underestimating him if you like, but i'm done. he's a ginormous jerk, a proudly willful ignoramus, and he's set world records for lie production. all quite true and all quite irrelevant, as he also has the backing of 90%+ of the GOP, and he already rakes in tens of millions of dollars for his re-election campaign.
if you really think this is the end for Trump, i'm just going to have to disagree.
Paladin
(29,824 posts)Particularly those with children. Ask them to describe the process where they were offered the opportunity to terminate their newborns---as trump described. Ask them how they can give their support to a subhuman who would flagrantly lie about such a sensitive subject.
gademocrat7
(11,366 posts)He is a soulless pathological liar.
CanonRay
(15,143 posts)and jack shit happens.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)patphil
(7,556 posts)Trump sinks to a new low with this callous, disgusting, loveless statement.
The casual way he puts this garbage out is truly amazing.
Patrick Phillips
Vinca
(51,778 posts)isn't getting more coverage. Truly the most vile utterance from this ignorant creep.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)If we know that this is vile, then our leadership knows. If this is the .."most vile out of this creep" then perhaps, just perhaps...the democratic leaders are waiting to attack. Perhaps the attack will be in unison...and
Trump will have trouble defending such an attack.
..Why wait?..Get everything in a row, with your everything ready..and sure of exactly how to attack..then let the "ignorant creep" have it full throttle. All at once.
...The statement is so stupid and indefensible, that the ignorant creep must pay. And further away we get..the harder it will be for him to take it back..."Oh I am sorry for what I said 2 days ago..or will it be 3 days...well, it is too late ......................You're fired ignorant creep!!!!
awesomerwb1
(4,705 posts)fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)otherwise this would be it
lpbk2713
(43,203 posts)He will have them do his dirty work.
Greg K
(599 posts)notinkansas
(1,204 posts)He got the response he was looking for from his crowd.
Nothing riles them up like the subject of abortion - and now infanticide too.
And thanks to the almighty churches (who should no longer be tax exempt because of their political activity), there are way too many single issue voters out there.