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drray23

(7,616 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:39 PM Apr 2019

Mueller went to paper.

Chuck Rosenberg on Rachel characterizing mueller's reaction to barr false conclusions as "going to paper". Apparently you do that at DOJ to cover yourself if its really important and you think it could have big legal consequences later on. In my workplace, we do that via emails and technotes.

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Mueller went to paper. (Original Post) drray23 Apr 2019 OP
I was giggling when he said that manor321 Apr 2019 #1
Me too. Made me think toilet paper, as in they shit themselves. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #19
Wasn't that something MontanaMama Apr 2019 #2
At this stage I dont see how Barr can survive this. drray23 Apr 2019 #3
The Trump admin is very slimey. I'm not holding out for proper actions now. bitterross Apr 2019 #11
In private business it's called, leaving a paper trail. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #4
Or (a little bit dated), a "memo to the file". Golden Raisin Apr 2019 #6
And now it's all done with CC'd emails... Volaris May 2019 #23
I've seen countless times where a paper trail saved someone from getting fucked over. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #30
I love Chuck Rosenberg..... a kennedy Apr 2019 #5
Brian Williams just said he has a podcast now. BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #16
That voice. Something about it is so calming. n/t pnwmom May 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia May 2019 #21
Video: MelissaB Apr 2019 #7
You dont go to paper lightly. drray23 Apr 2019 #8
It would have been better if he had gone to House committees or even media. Hoyt Apr 2019 #9
Yes and done it the day Barr released his misleading report. drray23 Apr 2019 #10
It also allowed him to outright lie to congress under oath. Volaris May 2019 #24
He wrote it a couple days after Barr's bs summary was released happybird May 2019 #26
Rosenberg also said 'going to paper' was so History gets it right spanone Apr 2019 #12
Or as Biden would say, Ilsa Apr 2019 #13
You could feel the sadness and disillusionment... 3catwoman3 Apr 2019 #14
Going to paper puts it out into the sunshine. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2019 #15
They all do that and that is when people are screaming about their strongly worded letters. Those UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #17
Yep bet Rosenberg knows what he's talking about. triron Apr 2019 #18
I'm sure his resignation is a complete coinkydink..... OnDoutside May 2019 #28
sounds like Mueller has had enough Skittles May 2019 #22
Trump hates that... Wounded Bear May 2019 #25
It keeps amazing me that these allegedly smart guys keep doing dumb things. brush May 2019 #27
It sounded like Barr is getting ahead of the story by leaking OnDoutside May 2019 #29

drray23

(7,616 posts)
3. At this stage I dont see how Barr can survive this.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:47 PM
Apr 2019

He may even use his law license. I wonder if he has still enough integrity left to just resign or just be shameless like his boss donald.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
11. The Trump admin is very slimey. I'm not holding out for proper actions now.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:13 PM
Apr 2019

Trump should have been long gone by now. We'll just have to wait and see on Barr.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
23. And now it's all done with CC'd emails...
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:43 AM
May 2019

So that whoevers dick is in the ringer can know that everyone else knows they fucked something up, so that everyone else can play CYA.

I get it, but in it's own way (and at it's worst) it's shady as shit. It's the email version of passing the buck in order to prove that 'this is someone else's fault'.



TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
30. I've seen countless times where a paper trail saved someone from getting fucked over.
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:46 AM
May 2019

.

I've had people give me verbal instructions and when things turned to shit, lied right to my face, denying it.

Luckily, my immediate manager or other co-workers would be around to act as witnesses.


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If you are doing things above board, there should be no worry over a paper trail. It works both ways, as a manager could give instruction A to a subordinate and then the subordinate does action B and claims they were told differently.


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We see in this administration, everyone lies out their ass and has no problems throwing others under the bus.

When you have Libertarian or scummy managers, they are self-affecting, and will act in a similar manner.

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BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
16. Brian Williams just said he has a podcast now.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:48 PM
Apr 2019

I love his calm, soothing voice. I need him to talk me off a ledge during this nightmare.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

drray23

(7,616 posts)
8. You dont go to paper lightly.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:19 PM
Apr 2019

Said Rosenberg. This is probably on the same footing as a triple dog dare you.🐕🐕🐕

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. It would have been better if he had gone to House committees or even media.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:20 PM
Apr 2019

But, I’m hopeful he’ll set things straight shortly.

drray23

(7,616 posts)
10. Yes and done it the day Barr released his misleading report.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:21 PM
Apr 2019

This could have limited the damage . Letting it stand for nearly a month allowed barr to taint the public.

happybird

(4,588 posts)
26. He wrote it a couple days after Barr's bs summary was released
Wed May 1, 2019, 01:29 AM
May 2019

We are just hearing about it now, but I'm sure Congress and everyone at DOJ and the WH have all been aware of the letter since the day Mueller sent it.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
13. Or as Biden would say,
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:28 PM
Apr 2019

"This is a big fucking deal."

So glad Rosenberg was on tonight to clue us in to why this is so important.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
15. Going to paper puts it out into the sunshine.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:41 PM
Apr 2019

Keeping it in-house in DOJ at this time makes it subject to a shredder and the sender's retirement subject to the axe.

Sad times in that regard.......

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
17. They all do that and that is when people are screaming about their strongly worded letters. Those
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:50 PM
Apr 2019

letters are critical, procedure and will endure.

brush

(53,741 posts)
27. It keeps amazing me that these allegedly smart guys keep doing dumb things.
Wed May 1, 2019, 01:59 AM
May 2019

Barr lied blatantly to Congress by saying he didn't know if Mueller supported his conclusion (that trump was exonerated).

When he did that he had already recieved Mueller's letter and phone call disagreeing with his conclusion. You would think he had to know that that letter/phone call was going to be found out.

What the fuck? Maybe he thought he could keep it hidden. And he's been around DC for years and should know how the leak game works.

The fat dummy needs to resign asap.

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