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Wed May 1, 2019, 09:36 PM

Progressives Versus Centrists

I wanted to address the issue of Progressives versus Centrists in the Democratic Party. I used to be Centrist in my youth, but moved more towards Progressivism as I got older and started to feel that measured, incremental change was not good enough. We need larger scale change, in my opinion.

That said, while I consider myself a Progressive and want a Progressive Candidate, I would still vote for a more Centrist Democrat if one were nominated. Also, I would work hard to see that Candidate elected. I am not one of these Progressives who want to burn the house down if their Candidate does not win in a primary.

I bring up the divide between Progressives and Centrists on purpose. I think that this is a real division in the Democratic Party that should be addressed. It does not need to be a weakness, but could in fact become a strength.

Instead of Progressives and Moderates being at each other's throats, we should maybe take a lesson from Parliamentary style democracies such as those multi-party governments in Europe. We should form a coalition. Center Left and Left parties form governing coalitions all the time when no single party prevails in a majority.

I would propose that Progressives and Centrists in the Democratic Party form a coalition rather than be at each other's throats. A united Democratic Party would be the end of the Trump Regime. And the beginning of a government that works for the people and not just the monied corporate interests.

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Progressive2020 May 2019 OP
Kath2 May 2019 #1
BigmanPigman May 2019 #2
TwilightZone May 2019 #3
Andy823 May 2019 #5
myohmy2 May 2019 #4
Post removed May 2019 #6
Demsrule86 May 2019 #9
myohmy2 May 2019 #13
Demsrule86 May 2019 #14
Demsrule86 May 2019 #7
BlueDemKev May 2019 #8
Hortensis May 2019 #10
betsuni May 2019 #11
Buckeyeblue May 2019 #12
Progressive2020 May 2019 #15

Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 09:53 PM

1. I agree.

We need to unite to get this idiot out of office.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 09:58 PM

2. I think Dems are already united...united to defeat the fucking moron.

Every party and organization has black, white and grey areas. I would like the Dems to stay Dems and not split off like the Tea Party did with the GOP. It basically changed their party for the worst and will likely lead to its death eventually (sooner rather than later I hope).

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:13 PM

3. For the most part, we already have a coalition.

It's called the Democratic Party. In 2016, about 90% of them voted for the Democratic candidate. I suspect that'll be higher in 2020.

The so-called division in the party is overblown by the media and a few vocal non-Democrats. It's also overblown here on DU by a small, vocal group of people who are left-of-center (presumably) but not Democrats who seem to spend an inordinate amount of their time bashing Democrats, yet still hang around.

In the real world, nearly all Democrats will support the nominee in the end. Just like, well, pretty much every time. Getting them out to vote is usually a bigger challenge than keeping them together.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #3)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:36 PM

5. Yep

And as you said:

"It's also overblown here on DU by a small, vocal group of people who are left-of-center (presumably) but not Democrats who seem to spend an inordinate amount of their time bashing Democrats, yet still hang around."

They always seem to show up during the primaries, and stay till after the general election, then they go away till the next election cycle.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 10:31 PM

4. is it possible?

" I would propose that Progressives and Centrists in the Democratic Party form a coalition rather than be at each other's throats. "

...'bold' pays off in today's political climate...if the pukes had the House and trump were our guy, would they impeach?

...Centerists are not 'bold', they're 'measured'...Progressives are 'bold'...this colors what we think and how we approach problems...in essence, we see things differently...

...I don't think it's as easy as holding-hands to give trump the boot...pukes are 'bold' and Progressive want to meet puke fire with fire...most of the time we're fighting Centerists to do this...

...as we argue amongst ourselves we are not being 'bold'...no one has yet to figure out how to successfully manage trump...this does not bode well for 2020...we need to toss a coin and soon...

...Progressive? or Centerist?...the winner should take the lead while the loser offers unquestioning support...right now, I'd say there's at best a 50/50 chance we'll give trump the boot in 2020...he's too good at being 'bold'...

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Thu May 2, 2019, 04:05 AM

9. What are we supposed to do make an unelectable candidate our nominee?

I am a progressive but I know we can not win elections without moderate support. The midterm showed this clearly. Moderates in a number of states gave us the house. If you look at the voting patterns particularly the Senate map we will not have a majority without red and purple states. Thus the left left / progressives...don't know a good term for them demand power that they are unable to earn in the voting booth, maybe as menials become more reliable voters that will change. I hope so.

But we have to get elected right now. And every time the Republicans win, they drive the country to the right. And pack the courts. The left left/ progressives have to understand that the Democratic party is the only vehicle for progressive policy, judges etc. Instead of flipping already blue seats, perhaps an effort to change hearts and minds in red or purple states would help further the the progressive cause which is a righteous cause.Until then, they have the ability to spoil elections but not necessarily win elections. We need a 50 state strategy with moderates and progressives in appropriate states and districts working together to win elections. No one will get everything they want. But without a congressional majority and the presidency we get nothing.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #9)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:11 AM

13. maybe...

"What are we supposed to do make an unelectable candidate our nominee?"

...what appears unelectable today is somehow getting elected...trump was unelectable...if someone were to ask me, I'd say most elected pukes are unelectable...but they're boldly getting elected...

...pukes control the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Presidency and most state governorships...for being unelectable they don't seem to be failing very much...

...IMO, we need to think, act and be bolder and lead the moderates and wayward pukes into our vision of a new better America...my hero, FDR, was a bold political salesman and thinker, not anchored in the past, but in a brighter future...

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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #13)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:56 AM

14. Trump chose a specific path, one that we must use in order to win.

At this moment, this is the only path we have. Biden can win those rustbelt states...WI,PAand MI. You say pukes are unelectable. But the Senate map proves you wrong. It will be a miracle if we win the Senate. And we will be damned lucky to win the 2020 presidential election. We tend to think that others agree with us but that is not the case as the map shows. Losing in 16 really hurt us. You elect a Republican president, the country moves right.The midterms were won by moderates. It is what at it is. I don't like it but let's not give Trump four more years to destroy the Republic by nominating an unelectable candidate.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 03:39 AM

7. We have a coalition. The big tent party.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 03:46 AM

8. Unite or We're Dead

For the love of all that is good, PLEASE set aside whatever differences you may have with others within the Democratic tent. Defeating trump is the only thing that can save our country.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/donald-trump-william-barr-congress/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 04:50 AM

10. The Democratic Party is the largest progressive activist group in the nation,

literally millions of times over.

As for your concerns about unity, the good news is that by far most groups and individuals in our very diverse coalition are united to achieve common goals. Don't worry that not all are; we're Democrats, not ants.

But just look at our candidates: a large majority, including all those who are believed possibilities to win, are from the large, diverse coalition and running on remarkably similar values and goals. And look at the midterms: almost all of the many new Democrats elected are part of our large, united majority.

Prog2020, we seem to agree that achieving goals requires creating working majorities. Being progressive also requires committing to and doing what is required to make progress happen. Otherwise, it's just posturing, a label, a banner to fight under.

You should ask yourself what the real goals would be of a subfaction that would insist everyone who doesn't belong to their group is not progressive. (The current rejecting term in your post is "centrist," completely ignoring where people actually are on the L-R ideological spectrum.)

Actually the main working difference has nothing to do with our common progressivism. Rather, we have a large progressive group made up of millions of individuals and many cooperating factions and a smaller, more zealous one that must oppose the larger group because it is the larger group.

(Denial-spoiler alert: This has been studied many times over.)

Now me, I am a lifelong strong liberal, so naturally inclined to acceptance of and cooperation with others of various opinions, especially when they constitute a power center that can succeed. And of course as a liberal Democrat I believe strongly in progressive government. Therefore, I am inevitably part of the larger coalition united to achieve common goals.

As for the word "centrist," our grand coalition ranges from strongly left wing to, yes, centrist and/or blue dog, though centrism is out of fashion these days and there aren't many. That's unfortunate, btw, because America needs a strong coming together at the political center to survive. America must eliminate that giant divide-and-conquer rift.

Hope this picture helps, and that you will consider where your place in it should be. There's of course no end of good work to be done.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:44 AM

11. I still don't know what a centrist or progressive is.

Incremental change is what happens when Democrats don't have supermajorities in legislation as they did during FDR's administration, and a Depression where the people demanded the government do something. I don't know why this is difficult to understand. Bill Clinton had two years of slight majorities and Obama did too (four months and ten days in the Senate). Not possible to pass progressive legislation when Republicans fuck things up.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 06:00 AM

12. I'm somewhere between moderate and progressive

But I vote a straight Democratic ticket. And will continue to do so. A centrist Democrat is better than a Republican.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #12)

Fri May 3, 2019, 12:22 AM

15. Agreed

A centrist Democrat certainly is better than any Republican. Progressives, Moderates, and Centrists all need to work against Trump and the awful Republican Party.

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