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Thu May 2, 2019, 05:22 PM

Neal Katyal suggests again today: De-fund AG Barr's salary and the AG Office.

In light of the Barr display yesterday, it is clear he will ignore the subpoena, brush off a contempt of Congress, and attempt to force Dems to go down the impeachment process. There is another option, and one I thought was a waste of time a month ago. It's not sounding so far out there now.....

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De-funding the Attorney General of the United States is a legitimate and respectable tool Congress could use to at least curtail lawlessness on the part of the Attorney General and his office? Yes.

” [Taxpayers]...shouldn’t pay for...this lawlessness.” Indeed.

Despite inevitable caterwauling and wailings of “Partisanship! Cheaters!” by the GOP, Congress should absolutely set these gears in motion while they still can and educate the American people as to why.

1. Bill Barr lied, and continues to lie, about the Mueller Report. That much is clear now that it has been parsed through and reported on. Does he think Americans are stupid? Yes.

2. Bill Barr refuses to release the full, unreacted Mueller Report to the other equal branch of government—Congress—because he knows most Americans don’t realize that it is Constitutionally required.

3. Bill Barr is threatening to stonewall Congress yet again, by refusing to testify in front of the House Judiciary Committee because he disagrees with their “format,” i.e., he does not want to be questioned by Democratic lawyers.

4. Trump, Barr, and former Acting AG Rod Rosenstein, are thumbing their noses at the People—Congress—in their quest to to seize power. If the House doesn’t act the AG Office/DOJ may start “investigating” members of Congress to delegitimize Congress even further



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Reply Neal Katyal suggests again today: De-fund AG Barr's salary and the AG Office. (Original post)
OnDoutside May 2019 OP
50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #1
OnDoutside May 2019 #2
50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #3
OnDoutside May 2019 #7
50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #15
maxsolomon May 2019 #4
Brawndo May 2019 #8
maxsolomon May 2019 #9
Brawndo May 2019 #12
maxsolomon May 2019 #13
onenote May 2019 #5
OnDoutside May 2019 #11
onenote May 2019 #14
OnDoutside May 2019 #16
UniteFightBack May 2019 #19
erronis May 2019 #21
onenote May 2019 #22
BigmanPigman May 2019 #6
OnDoutside May 2019 #10
BobTheSubgenius May 2019 #17
watoos May 2019 #18
calimary May 2019 #20

Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:28 PM

1. What about the rank and file employees working there?

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #1)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:30 PM

2. Which is more important right now, US Democracy or AG's office staff ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:31 PM

3. How's it gonna look with them not getting paid because of Democrats?

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #3)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:42 PM

7. Not much really. It seems there's about 600 working in his office. It's not like the entire

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:58 PM

15. Even if you don't care about the welfare of those employees who don't deserve to be political pawns,

600 is not a small number and Repugs would make it seem like 6000. They'd make sure it backfired on Dems big time.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:34 PM

4. How does that work?

they can just cut off funding?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #4)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:44 PM

8. Congress has the power of the purse

Our founders intended that to work as one of our checks and balances. Now is the perfect time to remind the Executive Branch of that fact.

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Response to Brawndo (Reply #8)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:46 PM

9. yeah, but don't they need to do that in a budget?

they can do it without legislating it?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:52 PM

12. That goes beyond my knowledge of Congressional procedure or methods, I'd have to ask Neal Katyal

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Response to Brawndo (Reply #12)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:55 PM

13. LOL

my gut is that they can't "just do it".

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:40 PM

5. How do "we" de-fund Barr's office when "we" don't control both houses of Congress?

What would be the implications for legitimate law enforcement activities if the AG's office (not just Barr's salary) was defunded (and at what point might a de-funding bill run afoul of the Constitutional ban on bills of attainder?) If the entire Office of the Attorney General is defunded, How many people, including administrative assistants, etc. would suddenly be left without a salary -- something Mr. Barr could much more easily tolerate than most AG office employees.

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Response to onenote (Reply #5)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:49 PM

11. Katyal is a former Solicitor General, so I presume he knows what is possible.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #11)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:56 PM

14. Well maybe he should try explaining how its "possible"

to cut off previously authorized and appropriated funds when you control one house of Congress.

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Response to onenote (Reply #14)

Thu May 2, 2019, 06:13 PM

16. Maybe he doesn't need to because he knows ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #11)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:05 PM

19. Yeah he is extremely smart and knows what he is talking about and if he is saying they can do

 

this then they can. I have to laugh at all the folks trying to poke holes.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #19)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:26 PM

21. Probably not as smart as the stable genius, tho.

Or as Col. Potter would say, the horse's patoot.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #19)

Fri May 3, 2019, 12:07 PM

22. Really? Because I'm laughing at the folks that think this can be done by any means other than

engineering a complete government shutdown -- one that would clearly be the Democrats responsibility (and that can't be done until the end of September anyway).

There is no -- I repeat no - mechanism for one house of Congress to block the spending of authorized and appropriated funds. This is and always will be a silly, unachievable idea.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:41 PM

6. If you do that would he still be able to go after the ACA?

That is what he is doing and he must be stopped ASAP! How does this defunding work?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #6)

Thu May 2, 2019, 05:47 PM

10. I was hoping that too. That said he was forcing his attorneys NOT to defend that ACA, but the state

AGs said they would represent the people's interest in court.

I presume when they approve funding, the entire budget isn't handed over ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:30 PM

17. Fuck em if they cant take a jioke.

They`ve defunded the entire government when it suits their partisan interests.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:40 PM

18. Maybe we should wait?

 

Seriously though, if Mueller doesn’t testify by May 15th what do you wait and see crowd suggest?
Hope I don’t get spanked for having an opinion different than Speaker Pelosi’s.
I still support her 100%.
King Donald already decreed that McGahn will not testify. How do you let’s wait crowd intend to get the entire Mueller report?

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:23 PM

20. I LOVE-LOVE-LOVE this! So much!!!!

Cut off his budget. Unless he comes in to testify according to the conditions set by the Judiciary Committee. NOT by him. He doesn’t set the rules for the House of Reps. The House of Reps does. And the House is led by the Dems.

Congress controls the federal purse strings. And the Democrats control Congress.

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