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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:28 AM

1. I agree

After I was divorced my only 2 girlfriends robbed me so I don't want any relationship people have mistook that for being gay. I also say "so what if I was?" Or one time when 2 people were saying it is a choice to be gay I said "I don't think it's choice" they assumed I was gay because I said that. I don't know if I'll get in trouble for saying any of this but I don't think the Lindsey Graham accusations are a good idea. I'll log off now.

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Sun May 5, 2019, 04:42 AM

3. Are you a gay?

Sssssssssssso, are you gaaaaay?

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #3)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:51 AM

6. No, but I have pretty good gaydar when it comes to men.

And I say Lindsey is not straight.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #9)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:35 AM

15. What the hell kind of shit is that to say her.

Black Flag your attitude

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #6)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:15 PM

52. Agreed 100%

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #3)

Sun May 5, 2019, 10:03 AM

44. Huh? "Are you 'a gay'?"

 

Interesting phrasing.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #2)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:48 AM

16. Out of curiosity, do you refer to certain black people as "Uncle Toms" or "Aunt Jemimas"?

I am not 100% sure, but I think you are white, so do you think what I asked in the subject line is appropriate for white people to say about African-Americans who are anti-Black hypocrites?

Look how you phrased your remark: "Accusing him of being gay is not an affront toward the gay community." Accuse?

charge (someone) with an offense or crime.
"he was accused of murdering his wife's lover"

synonyms: charge with, indict for, arraign for, take to court for, put on trial for, bring to trial for, prosecute for; More
summons, cite, make accusations about, lay charges against, file charges against, prefer charges against;

impeach for;

antonyms: absolve, clear, exonerate

•claim that (someone) has done something wrong.
"he was accused of favoritism"

synonyms: blame for, hold responsible for, lay the blame on someone for, hold accountable for, hold answerable for, condemn for, criticize for, denounce for; More



Yes, "accusing" him of being gay is an "affront" to the gay community.

"I have no problem with any gay politician as long as they are honest and up front about it." WHAT THE FUCK?! So, gay people have to be out for you to be "OK" with them as gay people? Again, I ask...WHAT THE FUCK?! I don't like hypocrisy either, but when someone has NOT come out, by claiming they are gay, you make the "gay" part of the equation equally bad, too. What about gay people who are out and are anti-gay? How are they different? Both are hypocrites, so why is it necessary to "out" someone, especially when it is based on a "feeling" or rumor and not actual knowledge?

He is a fucking asshole...a gigantic one, but these claims of "he's really gay" and the attacks that follow, make it seem it is just another attack on the gay community, even if that is not the intention.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #16)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:15 AM

20. excellent assessment

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #16)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:02 AM

26. +1

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #16)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:09 PM

75. The question I tend to ask is, "What is the point of the connection you are making?"

When people use color, gender, immigrant status, disability, etc... as an insult.

For example, "You hit like a girl" or "That play was retarded", I ask, "What is the insult?" saying I hit like a girl is trying to make me feel bad because I am being compared to a girl? So, doing something like a girl is bad? So, then the state of being a girl is bad?

Same for the "retarded" statement. You are insulting someone by comparing them to people who have intellectual disabilities. And yes, I will stipulate that having an intellectual disability is not something that anyone wants to have. It is not a positive thing, but that is beyond the point. The point is that people with intellectual disabilities are human beings who deserve equal dignity and they are being used as the example of "what is wrong" with something.

The discussion about Graham being "really gay" is a similar line of attack. So the hell what if he is gay. His being gay isn't responsible for his awful policy decisions, his support of Trump, or any other awful thing he does. Yet, when you speculate and use "he's so gay" as a line of attack you are comparing being gay to something negative and thus are saying that being gay is bad.

I am not sure why people don't get that.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:44 AM

4. I know that's a definite thing on the broader Internet, but

I have never seen it manifested too harshly on DU. Random comments here and there? Yes. Sustained vitriol against gays? No.

Please show me where it is so bad, here on DU, (links) and I will be more inclined to listen AND beat the shit out of it.

Show me where I can make a difference.

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Response to susanna (Reply #4)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:58 AM

8. thank you

I will bookmark and return to this post every time soft homophobia rears its head on DU.


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Response to 912gdm (Reply #8)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:43 AM

70. I hope you do...

and I hope I can help stop it.

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Response to susanna (Reply #4)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:31 AM

13. My opinion is that Lindsey

Owes the Russians. It just came out that they gave him a great deal and that Trump or Putin have something on him. His about face after a golf game with Trump is very strange.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #13)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:32 AM

24. I think you are correct on all counts. I believe...

1. Graham has taken large amounts of money from the Russians, some of it legal, most of it illegal;

2. And someone may also have something on Senator Graham*... blackmail/extortion, the usual shame/guilt inducements for betrayal.

Yeah, that must have been one helluva golf game. tRump* is your handicap now, Lindsey*.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #13)

Sun May 5, 2019, 09:57 AM

43. Yep Graham owes the Russians.

 

I don’t think there was a turnaround point at the golf game. Graham may have gotten new orders but he’s been a smarmy politician for decades.

I think his agreement that Russia interference needed looking into at the beginning of tRump’s term was to give the public the belief he and/or the GOP really care , much like the constant “stand up guy” “straight arrow “ routine we get for our GOP investigators in the FBI.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:50 AM

5. I actually know one of his relatives...

And this relative says he is gay. So. Yeah.

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Response to a la izquierda (Reply #5)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:55 AM

7. second hand knowledge is important.

Lord knows that is crucial

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #7)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:33 AM

14. Well, you know

Somebody said!”

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:16 AM

10. I doubt he is gay but

he is wishy washy, one day for something , the next against it. He loves Trump now but he sure hated him in 2016. He can not be trusted at all.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:17 AM

11. Well, if mention of orientation is to intended to be a slur,

the insult will of course hurt and offend others. As this OP indicates.

912gdm, slurring Trump with being straight like me, as if that's what's wrong with him? Please don't do it again. That hurt. I already get far too much incoming because he's white.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #11)

Sun May 5, 2019, 09:36 AM

42. +1



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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:29 AM

12. I'd like to hear it from the horses mouth. He needs to declare his own sexuality. But...

if you hear a "rumor" about someone enough times it's quite often true.
And because he's a pansy effete white boy I'm going with the gay vote.

BTW I'm a gay man and I'd like to know where you get the fact that Graham
is NOT gay. Only he can really tell us what the truth is concerning that.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:53 AM

17. You forgot "lifelong bachelor"

Graham has never been married and has no children.[11] He helped to raise his sister, Darline Graham Nordone, after the deaths of his mother and father, which occurred within fifteen months of each other,[167] leaving the two without parents when Graham was 22 and she was 13. Experiencing the early deaths of his parents, Graham says, made him mature more quickly, and Nordone, who introduced her brother at his formal announcement of his candidacy for the 2016 presidential race, said she hoped to be with him on the campaign trail frequently to show voters his softer side. "He's kind of like a brother, a father and a mother rolled into one," she said. "I've always looked up to Lindsey."[168]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham

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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #17)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:44 AM

25. Lifelong bachelor or bachelorette doesn't mean someone is gay.

That sounds like the good old days (not) of the past.
When, if a man wasn’t married, past a certain age, it was thought that “he must be gay”. If a woman wasn’t, it was thought that “she couldn’t get anybody.”

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Response to raccoon (Reply #25)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:25 PM

54. How many Republican, or even Democratic lawmakers are "out?"

And what percent of the population is gay? Obviously there are many lawmakers who are in the closet.

Nothing wrong in being gay. Nobody here is saying that. But tell me how does a party that has a leader that tried to ban gays in the military and has lawmakers who are against gay marriage, and people like Rick Santorum who calls being gay "a sin," and a homophobic VP, how does a senior member of that party come out? They have to remain in the closet and live a lie until the day they die.

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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #17)

Sun May 5, 2019, 09:05 AM

40. I have male and female relatives in their 40's and older who have never married.

Are they straight or gay? I have no earthly idea, it doesn't affect my feelings toward them and it's really none of my business. They are not obligated to share their sexuality with the family and if they wanted to, they would have done so long ago.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:59 AM

18. I suspect he's asexual.

His sister says (according to Wikipedia) . "He's kind of like a brother, a father and a mother rolled into one," she said. "I've always looked up to Lindsey."

I think McCain was his barometer. Trump seems to have replaced McCain as a barometer. McCain was a better one, by far.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #18)

Sun May 5, 2019, 08:12 AM

37. Agreed, asexual

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #18)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:43 PM

90. He could be a part of my community

Or he could just be an awkward cis-het man.

But, until he comes out and states his orientation, please don't assume he is an ace.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:06 AM

19. To me

he is more the south end of a north bound horse. What he does in his personal life is of no consequence to me whatsoever.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:22 AM

21. Don't know, don't care, but

I would love to see him and Ann Coulter have a love child.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:24 AM

22. fucking brilliant.

"the gay community will start to remind you that Trump is straight."

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:27 AM

23. Of course he's gay

It's an open secret in Washington DC, and honestly, it's pretty obvious even without confirmation of men who see him at gay bars.

I'd love to disassociate myself from closet cases like Graham, who spread their own brand of repression trying to make their own lives look straight. But being gay doesn't provide protection against being a first class asshole.

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Response to Boomer (Reply #23)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:12 AM

28. Well said.

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Response to Boomer (Reply #23)

Sun May 5, 2019, 11:09 AM

46. Thank you!

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:08 AM

27. Personal attacks works quite well...

... but the politics of Lindsey Graham & Co is so disgusting, that there should be no need for name calling. Calling somebody "gay" in that context is just plain stupid, since you mostly alienate people who do not like him anyway. And the Trump voters do not care about anything anymore...

I am sooo tired of these smears. Calling the President "fat" for an easy chuckle is making harassing other overweight people an OK thing to do. Et cetera.

Let the other side stoop to that level. Leave that whole floor to them. And then see if the voters would like to hear about some real politics.

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Response to TomVilmer (Reply #27)

Sun May 5, 2019, 01:29 PM

47. I don't use "gay" as an insult

Saying someone is gay, when they ARE gay, is just descriptive, not necessarily a "smear" or "name-calling". Motivations vary -- I'm personally WELL aware of that -- but it doesn't change the facts.

Trying to negate Graham's sexuality -- just because he's an asshole and we don't want to be associated with him -- is not a very useful tactic. That's like trying to negate that there were gay Nazis. We can't make ourselves more palatable to the straight majority by creating a false front of squeaky clean purity. That's just the flip side of making us all out to be perverted villains.

Gay people are just as human as straight people, which also means just as fallible. Being gay or straight is not related to morality and ethics. It's a trait, like being left-handed or right-handed. It's what you make of it that reveals your character.

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Response to TomVilmer (Reply #27)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:33 PM

55. Nobody here is using "gay" as an insult. We are all Democrats. Can you honestly look at Lindsay

and hear the way he talks and conclude he is straight? He can't ever come out because he's in the anti-gay party.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #55)

Sun May 5, 2019, 03:58 PM

65. Can you honestly tell me why it should matter?

Being homosexual does not make you a Democrat. Openly gay men salutes Trump (most wellknow is Milo Yiannopoulos), while other does the opposite. For some homosexuals "coming out" is not even a relevant choice. Being a Republican might feel far more important.

Your believe you have the mighty power to detect gayness in a person. I have known a happily married straight guy looking like Graham - and I know quite many extreme masculine guys who are gay. The world is much more complicated, and so are the sexes.

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Response to TomVilmer (Reply #65)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:59 PM

67. My point about us all being Democrats is that few of us are homophobic or intend

"gay" to be an insult.

If Lindsay isn't gay, where are the gay Republican lawmakers? What is an insult is gay folk hiding behind the Republican banner imposing repression upon other gays.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #67)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:31 PM

68. This is important for YOU

but not for the Republican voters. Or for gay Republicans. It is not something that will move votes. And your magic Gaydar is an insult - even if you do not know it.

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Response to TomVilmer (Reply #68)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:49 PM

69. You don't have a gaydar? I haven't met a gay guy yet who doesn't speculate on the chances of

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guys being gay or straight.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #55)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:52 AM

72. If you believe that, you're not paying attention.

DU members use gay as an insult on a daily basis. It is one of the few kinds of bigotry juries leave untouched, and the admins have largely checked out, so those of us most repeatedly hurt by this bigotry have no recourse.

Some no longer post here because the anti-gay comments make due a very unpleasant place to be. Most have stopped pointing it out. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be at least one response to this post telling me, in effect, to take one for the team. Everything is fair because Trump is so awful. And we really don't mean you - because we know you don't believe gay is an insult, and we know you wouldn't believe we meant it that way, even though we did use it to insult Graham,or Trump, or whatever bad person we are calling gay.

No matter what you believe, when you use gay to offend Trump, et Al, you are using it as an insult and it hurts LGBT members of DU. Just because we largely no longer protest does not mean it is no longer painful. It means we are exhausted from the need to constantly remind our "friends" to stop using us as battering rams - especially when the near universal response to us pointing it out is a new slew of insults.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:55 PM

74. Well said.

There is no reason to speculate about Lindsey Graham's sexual orientation. It doesn't really matter whether he is gay or straight. The policies he supports and his support of Trump, his hawkish stance on other countries, and his flip flopping are reason enough to condemn him.

It is alarming to hear attacks like, "Miss Lindsey" as well. Attacking people based on gendered lines or on their sexual orientations, assumes the juxtaposition of "what they are v. what is appropriate to be".

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:28 PM

77. AND

there are people who are all of a sudden "concerned" about an issue who are not who they say they are, happens everywhere all the time

NOT saying that is the case with the OP, dont know...but it always my first thought when something someone says can be perceived as defending a con.

NO, you do NOT need to DEFEND someone because they are GAY, but in HIS POLITICAL party, you do. In HIS POLITICAL reality being gay is tolerated if that, but certainly NOT accepted.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:33 PM

81. There's nothing wrong in being gay.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #81)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:03 PM

84. Correct - so people here need to stop using it as an insult.

Period.

It doesnt' matter if you are targeting someone you don't like - or somoene you like. Those of us who are LGBT see your comments and know what you secretly think of us, when you use our lives as an insult. Claiming it's ok because it wasn't intended as an insult there's nothing wrong wtih being gay is, to some extent, worse than saying it in the first place.

At least with the former, we can pretend you just really are oblivious to our presence and the damage you are doing. But once we've spoken up, and you tell us that it isn't really an insult - you know we are here, and you just don't care enough about your friends to listen to our pain, and find creative insults that do not use people as battering rams.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #84)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:33 PM

85. My gay friends who think Lindsay is gay, are they insulting you too?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #85)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:56 PM

86. Proving my point exactly.

This is why DU is not a pleasant place for LGBT individuals, and many of us have just given up.

What one gay person is willing to tolerate does not make it acceptable behavior. We poke fun a the Republicans who tout, "my black friends," as proof that nothing they do could be bigoted. The same principle applies here.

When an LGBT person says - about an LGBT slur - "that is insulting/hurtful/bigoted," the appropriate response is, "Thank you. I wasn't aware it was hurtful," and to stop doing it. Not to tell the LGBT person they are wrong because, "my gay friend doesn't mind."

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #86)

Mon May 6, 2019, 08:28 PM

87. I'm a straight guy who does drama and

writes poetry. I cry in public easily and cry in every romantic movie I see, and I always sit down to pee. I have mostly gay or female friends. I say this, not to play on any stereotypes, but to show I am not some insensitive macho guy who goes out of my way to insult anyone, and to go gay-bashing. I am sorry if you personally feel insulted by anything I have written.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #87)

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:34 PM

89. Then you should have enough empathy to recognize the near daily

use of gay as an insult, and you should be calling it out when it happens - rather than telling one of the group being used as an insult that she is imagining things.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #55)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:55 PM

80. +10000 This exactly this.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:17 AM

29. He's a liar & a hypocrite like all repugs.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:35 AM

31. Hmm...

… there are a lot of men never-married men like Lindsay Graham that are not gay... granted, those in his generation and position would get married anyway, for "show". Today, people do decide to not marry... So, I don't know...

I see people here and there referring to him as "Miss Lindsay" and saying, "she" and "her" for him. In social media, people have done the same to Rachel Maddow - they say, "I don't like him." Rachel is gay, but she is not transsexual - her gender is female and she is a "her." It's stupid and unfair...

Also, this kind of talk and speculation is used as an "accusation" for things that are not criminal...

As long as he's not doing something that makes his sexual activity pertinent, I say leave it alone. there is enough to criticize Lindsay Graham about...

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #31)

Sun May 5, 2019, 01:40 PM

49. He IS doing something pertinent

Lindsay Graham is actively working against the interests of LGBTQA people in order to deflect attention from his own queerness. I'm not going pass judgment on any person who decides to stay in the closet, as long as they just keep to themselves. But when they lash out and hurt me in order to make their life easier, all bets are off.

I find Graham's hypocrisy infuriating, and people who claim he is not gay are basically giving him a free pass for his loathsome behavior. "Oh he's not a gay person destroying the lives of other gay people to save himself, he's just a straight person being gratuitously hateful."

What Graham is doing is worse. I'm not going to get him off the hook.

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Response to Boomer (Reply #49)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:37 PM

56. Well said. You are right. He shouldn't get a free pass on hypocrisy.

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Response to Boomer (Reply #49)

Sun May 5, 2019, 03:12 PM

64. I did not know...

… he was working against gay rights to draw "attention away from his own queerness." Then, he should be taken to task. For the most part, I say leave everyone's private life alone... However, is cases where there is hypocrisy, I would favor showing Lindsay Graham out on dates - or interviewing men with whom he's had a relationship... I feel the same about politicians flaunting their Christian lifestyle - if they rant about "family values" and don't practice them, I say let the chips fall...

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:37 AM

32. Yes he is. There is nothing wrong with being gay

But he is gay, in the closet, and eager to condemn other members of the LGBTQ community to draconian laws and the ugliness of the far right homophobes and misogynists he associates with.
He is gay. There is no question. This is an open secret amongst the LGBTQ community in the Carolinas who know him well.

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #32)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:00 PM

51. A good case of "internalized homophobia" which is a bad deal.

Those kind of gay people are known to dislike or hate that gay part of themselves.

And they act out in a negative way toward other LGBTQ people as a way of deflecting
any criticism of themselves. To me that explains Grahm's posturing.

They are self-destructive and nothing to be proud of.

Roy Cohn was a good case of this and there are quite a few in our government
who fall into this category.

Gay and Proud.

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Response to trickyguy (Reply #51)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:45 PM

57. Exactly. Why would anyone have a phobia of gay folk, unless the fear was

actually of themselves? It isn't n accident that some of the most outspoken homophobics are gay. They are afraid of their true identities because they were told from a young age that it is a sin and never learned to question that.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #57)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:13 PM

76. I realize this might come as something of a surprise...

...but "some of the most outspoken homophobics" are straight.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:40 AM

33. the mods always removed that shit.

and it is true that for many people, it is a slur.

but i think it is more prominent these days as people try to figure out why he did such a 180º on cheato.
it is the part where he remains in the closet, and associates himself w flaming homophobes. personally i think he is gay, just my gaydar, but he was always a sanctimonious asshole. and a hypocrite.

that slur is not necessary. and if he has gay, he has been for a long time. i think his actions have more to do w the carrot than the stick. i bet he is a very rich man now.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #33)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:32 PM

78. "People try to figure out why did a 180..."

It isn't a mystery. He had someone run the numbers and they found out his odds of losing a primary election were greater than his odds of losing a general election.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:47 AM

34. Ouch! You cut right to the quick. Now I'm ashamed to be hetero.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 08:10 AM

36. pansy effete...

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 08:17 AM

38. Got to remember

South Carolina has the Billy Graham highway running thru the state. That says it all.

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #38)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:16 PM

66. Except no, there isn't.

Billy Graham was from North Carolina, from the Chatlotte area. All of his preachin' business is based in NC.There is a Billy Graham Parkway that runs through Charlotte, NC and goes right by his offices and library. The road is not statewide. South Carolina and North Carolina are different states.
We also have a thriving gay community in Charlotte and in North Carolina so no, that doesn't say it all in any way.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 08:26 AM

39. A-fucking-men. I am sick of it and I cannnot believe how rampant it is here on DU.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 09:25 AM

41. It's not about gay. It's about being subject to extortion.

it's not whether or not someone is something. The issue is when knowledge or proof of something you claim to not be can be used to coerce you into something.

Is there a blackmail-able issue in his life that someone can exploit because he wants it hidden?

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #41)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:49 PM

59. You make what is perhaps the most important point.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 10:53 AM

45. Lil Lindsey's crime is monetary

and end result is treason.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 01:37 PM

48. Bothers me every time I see it.

I tend to let it slide in a "pick your battles" sort of way.

But I'm starting to re-think that tendency. Why would I let the Lidnsey Graham thing slide when I went all-in against people spreading the Anne Coulter thing?

If it ain't right, it ain't right.

And that ain't right.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #48)

Sun May 5, 2019, 01:45 PM

50. What bothers you?

What bothers me is that Lindsey Graham is a gay man -- who is not celibate, from what I've heard -- using his position in government to advocate for anti-gay policies.

To my mind, that is despicable behavior. And for that reason, I think it's important for gay people to know the level of hypocrisy at work. No, he's not just some random asexual or heterosexual homophobe, he's someone who is actively working against our interests to save himself. The end result may not be any different, but I do tend to take it personally when someone who knows better turns out to be so self-serving.

This tells us all something basic about Graham's character. Or lack thereof.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #48)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:56 PM

60. Please ask yourself this.

1/ Have you ever seen a straight man who is so effeminate?

2/ If he is gay, do you think he would come out?

3/ If he wouldn't come out, might that have something to do with his gay repression policies making him look like a hypocrite?

4/ If he was gay and couldn't ever let it be known, would he be a risk of blackmail?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #48)

Sun May 5, 2019, 03:06 PM

63. What were they spreading about him? nt

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:24 PM

53. Yeah!

Screw that intended slur!

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:48 PM

58. I am sick of people calling him things like

"Ms. Lindsey" because no matter what he is that is a slur. It's not funny. I don't care who he sleeps with.

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #58)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:59 PM

62. You should care when he represents repression of the LBG community.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #62)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:42 PM

73. Did I say that I didn't?

Jesus.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 02:58 PM

61. Being gay is his business

Being a traitor to this country is all of ours.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:38 AM

71. Of course Trump is straight. Most terrible, awful, no-good people are straight.

That doesn't mean, however, that Graham is straight.

And if he were in the closet and being blackmailed by the Russians (who did break into his emails -- Graham acknowledged that), that would explain his strange about-face.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #71)

Mon May 6, 2019, 02:33 PM

79. If Trump or the Russians have some dirt on him it probably isn't his sexual orientation.

He might or might not be gay, but he is most certainly an asshole and an opportunist. His sucking up to Trump probably has more to do with his realization that he needs to be the remora on Trump's shark in order to stay important. Maybe some of his voters in SC would care if he was gay, but probably not enough of them that he'd lose an election. I don't think remaining in the closet, if that's what he's doing, is what's motivating him.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 03:37 PM

82. Maybe he's incel

I mean doesn't he look completely unfuckable?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #82)

Mon May 6, 2019, 04:18 PM

83. LOL!

Oh yeah, that's much better.

I have no way of personally knowing if Graham is gay or not. But the scuttlebutt in and around DC is that he is and it's the worst kept secret in the city.

Does that make it true? Of course, not. The rumor about Graham's sexual preferences didn't start at DU.

Does it matter? No. What matters is Graham turned on a dime from detesting Donald Trump to being his most enthusiastic rah-rah.

That does matter. Who he sleeps with (or not) is irrelevant.

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Response to 912gdm (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 09:58 PM

88. Yes, *BUT*. Divisiveness, playing us against one another, attacking fellow Dems more than wingnuts

is what the wider issue is (separate from the O.P.'s topic), affecting us DUers in general.

The Democratic party, reflected? in DU, is a coalition. Each component group (like the DU "Group" design) has its own #1 agenda item. Down below that specific identity item, each coalition group unites with all the other groups on the Democratic coalition's universal items: Civil rights, social justice, civil liberties, stewardship of the planet.

Very common is for the #1 agenda items of coalition groups to clash: Viz., Unions vs NAFTA-ites (free trade?). (If I have wrong specifics, please don't derail my point, thanks. )

Over 19 DU years, most of us here have learned more, evolved more, adapted more to things we refined despite our having been wonderful, decent humans to start with, been educated in our innocence of ways of thinking we weren't aware of before. And there is always room for improvement.

*BUT* the circular firing squad - attacking fellow Dems for not being evolved enough, targeting fellow DUers more than Deplorables, radical PC-ism - is nothing else than bullyism.

Also the "convert"/zealotry syndrome is a real thing: I have a cousin whose son is an Out Gay, and his mother/my cousin went on a rampage against the large extended family, demanding not just acceptance but also ferociously demanding proselytizing from everybody and vehemently castigating any family who didn't become a single-minded activist on her son's topic.

This thread is a Group-specific topic, fine. But nearly all DUers agree with the subject and don't deserve to be attacked or to make one Group better than all others - OR to be Alerted on for PC deficiencies.






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