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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:31 AM May 2019

Trump isn't "Goading." He is Seizing Power.

It may not have been Trump's original intent to convert our democracy into an autocracy, but that's mostly because, when he first took office, Trump hadn't yet realized that an autocracy was potentially within his reach. Now that he's crashed through a series of political guard rails though, he realizes it's the established order that has taken the brunt of the resulting damage, not he. And that emboldens him. Trump idolizes the autocrats of the world, even those who he is not personally beholden to. Now Trump has set upon a path to join them in unfettered rule. He is not taunting his opponents. He is not baiting them. To the full extent possible Trump is sweeping them aside.

Trump escalates intimidation and confrontation faster than our systems are designed to react to. He is always on full offense. What does a force on offense do? It seizes ground and continues to push forward before opposition has time to regroup. Before there is even time to say "He can't do that" he's already done it. And Trump is still gathering speed. Whenever he senses weakness he pushes harder. And in Trump's mind efforts to counter him with calls to honor precedents, shows of slow paced incremental resistance, and/or attempts at “good faith negotiations”, are all signs of weakness.

The pattern is clear and ominous. Trump won the Republican Party nomination for President through intimidation, his willingness to defy conventions, and the complacency of his foes. It took the established Republican Party too long in 2016 to take seriously what they were up against in Trump. At first he was seen merely as a buffoon, and then just as a fringe candidate with a strong hold on a small sliver of the electorate. Virtually no leading Republican in the early stages was willing to place themselves in the cross hairs of Trump's withering attacks by directly taking him on because the accepted political calculus did not support that. Why risk Trump's frontal attacks and the anger of his supporters if he was going to self destruct anyway? Wait him out was the conventional wisdom, don't risk alienating his voters now when we will need them later. When a Jeb Bush or a Mark Rubio belatedly realized that they could no longer ignore Trump's tactics and his ridicule it was too late for them, he had already branded them as weak. When the Republican Party realized it was being taken over by Trump it was too late for them, he had already stolen their base. Then he co-opted their apparatus, and once that was achieved he moved against those who were not sufficiently loyal to him all along. Game over. Trump seized the Republican Party.

The same happened with an extraordinarily high percentage of his early appointments to his Administration after Trump was in office. There were enough high ranking officials named to it with suitably independent credentials to provide a veneer of normalcy and continuity. Then, one by one, Trump picked them off, and replaced them with loyalists to his personal agenda. Washington became numb to the revolving door of Trump appointees, and so did the public. But the ranks of career public servants was decimated. The State Department was neutered quickly. Defense is going a little slower but it is headed in the same direction. The National Security Council is now essentially occupied. The Justice Department takeover is now virtually complete. There's been a wholesale housecleaning of the top echelons of the FBI. The Intelligence agencies by now are battered. The reputations of those who work in them as American patriots have all taken a hit, replaced by suspicions that they are actually secret agents of a deep state conspiratorial attempted coup against the President.

The thin line that upholds our democratic traditions by now is paper thin. One more top replacement at the FBI, one more top replacement at the CIA, and at the NIA, and those agencies also will be brought under Trump's full control. What is one more Administration turnover no matter how important the role? We've seen so many already. Politically appointed non Senate confirmed acting heads of agencies is now “normalized”, it hardly seems unusual. There will never be a Saturday Night Massacre, the massacre is constant and ongoing. We hardly notice the vacancies as they occur. Our heads are kept spinning so we can barely focus on any one appointee, any one event, any one new outrage.

Trump seized control of the Republican Party, (and the conservative and evangelical movements also while he was at it – but that is another tangent to explore), and now that Party swears allegiance to him. He is rapidly seizing control at all levels of the Executive branch of government, and consolidating his hold on it, cowing opposition from those ranks. In Congress the House Republicans are virtually all his minions now. McCain is gone in the Senate, as is Flake, as is Corker. Graham is the victim of a body snatcher. Now Senate Republicans are turning against Burr for his disloyalty to family Trump. There's been a wholesale housecleaning of the top echelons of the FBI. When Trump decides it's time to invent a pretense to move against Christopher Wray, his personally installed but insufficiently subservient head of the FBI, what Republican Senators will show more loyalty to him than they did to Jeff Sessions? How long will even the courts remain independent, when hand picked Trump loyalists are being confirmed to all levels of the judiciary at a record breaking pace?

Trump stands before members of the American military and expects them to cheer him on personally rather than hold the Office of President in respect. He stands before law enforcement officers accusing Democrats of favoring crime, and states he will always have their back if anyone questions any of their their actions or the motives behind them. His attacks on the free press are incendiary and continue to escalate. And now, for the final scene of act one of America becomes an autocracy, Trump is defying the authority and legitimacy of the one institution remaining that still stands resolutely firm against Trump's further consolidation of power, the House of Representatives in Congress.

Time is not on Democrats side. They can no more afford to delay a frontal conflict with Donald Trump's continuing assault than could Ted Cruz before them during the Republican primaries, when he chose to save his powder to use against Trump after Trump had taken out his other opponents, when the political calculus for such a move supposedly would turn more in Cruz's favor. It simply doesn't work that way with Trump. Delay is weakness in his world. Time is on his side as the public becomes numb to his ongoing assaults on the pillars of our Democracy. Trump is not goading Democrats, he is blocking their avenues of power in the process of disarming them.



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Trump isn't "Goading." He is Seizing Power. (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo May 2019 OP
No one wants to think it or say it or actually accuse him of it... Thomas Hurt May 2019 #1
This is brilliant BeyondGeography May 2019 #2
The Mueller Report has a shelf life Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #8
Yes, plus we have hot irons in the fire with China, Iran and North Korea BeyondGeography May 2019 #13
Impeachment hearings need to happen immediately and the courts need to fast track all cases Arazi May 2019 #15
Pelosi and the oversight chairs are wide awake StarfishSaver May 2019 #17
i think they're building a bulletproof case. barbtries May 2019 #61
I hope orangecrush May 2019 #3
Exactly. And any show of weakness will embolden the entire Republican party. manor321 May 2019 #4
He's like Thanos with only 3 of the Infinity Stones. Initech May 2019 #5
K&R! G_j May 2019 #6
This article/statement needs to appear in every Mme. Defarge May 2019 #7
Excellent analysis. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #9
Gut Hit BunnyMcGee May 2019 #10
Republican party patsy all the way Sunlei May 2019 #11
He is pussy-grabbing the nation jmbar2 May 2019 #12
tRump is consolidating his and the rethuglican party's control every day. More and More. Texin May 2019 #14
Sorry. I meant my response to go to the OP lunatica May 2019 #20
Excellent analysis. BUT StarfishSaver May 2019 #16
Other investigations can still proceed - into child separations, security clearances, emoluments etc Arazi May 2019 #22
I don't think so StarfishSaver May 2019 #23
Your points in this and your previous post klook May 2019 #64
"Schiff," "Cummings," and "Maxine"? Glorfindel May 2019 #30
You're right StarfishSaver May 2019 #35
Impeachment hearings don't have to be limited to the content of the Mueller Report Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #39
Its not just trump Nuggets May 2019 #18
Been watching it happen since Carter/Reagan. susanna May 2019 #60
K&R Ponietz May 2019 #19
So what do you suggest can be done? lunatica May 2019 #21
"Inherent Contempt" ? maddiemom May 2019 #25
I'm glad to know such an action is possible lunatica May 2019 #33
Yes, that is my thinking too. yonder May 2019 #29
Cheney and the PNAC people maybe? lunatica May 2019 #34
Come to think of it shanti May 2019 #43
Trump is now the clear and imminent threat Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #41
I do not disagree. It takes only a little nudge in the desired direction yonder May 2019 #47
Defend the Constitution, and thereby be known as the defenders of our Constitution Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #44
Hopefully Trump will push the House to start impeachment lunatica May 2019 #45
Good article! nt yaesu May 2019 #24
He's already talked about adding two years to his term Ilsa May 2019 #26
He's a grabber, only push back will stop him bigbrother05 May 2019 #27
There is no fucking "calculus" involved any more... Moostache May 2019 #28
"Trump stands before members of the American military and expects them to cheer him on personally" Perseus May 2019 #31
From a former life selling collectables I made a friend who contracted with the Pentagon Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #40
Brilliant analysis, Tom Rinaldo. Thanks for sharing it with us. Glorfindel May 2019 #32
Brilliant as ever, Tom. elleng May 2019 #36
great observation habu1968 May 2019 #37
A great telling of what's gone on, why, how and KPN May 2019 #38
Precisely. He is all in. Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #42
"Trump escalates intimidation and confrontation faster than our systems are designed to react to." trev May 2019 #46
No shit!! K&R BlueJac May 2019 #48
Thank you, Tom Rinaldo saidsimplesimon May 2019 #49
On the one hand you are correct...but FirstLight May 2019 #50
Yup. Even at this moment, he and Putin, and the GOP are concocting the next "outrage" LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #51
Is this yours, Tom? Grasswire2 May 2019 #52
Yes. The times call for flaming hair n/t Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #54
k&r n/t lordsummerisle May 2019 #53
Brilliant!!!! bluecollar2 May 2019 #55
WE. MUST. BE. BOLD. DemocracyMouse May 2019 #56
And remember Churchill? DemocracyMouse May 2019 #57
"Profiles in 11th Dimension Extraterrestrial Chess Playing" Rambling Man May 2019 #59
I'm not sure I'll be able to forgive or forget if he's not impeached ecstatic May 2019 #58
exactly! BlueJac May 2019 #62
K&R Hstch05 May 2019 #63

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. No one wants to think it or say it or actually accuse him of it...
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:46 AM
May 2019

but Trump thinks he should be America's Putin.

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
2. This is brilliant
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:48 AM
May 2019

Goading is what provocateurs do. Trump works for himself and he is a materialist. He does not care about ruining your reputation, he just wants to defeat you or remove you from his path. If you want to work with or for him afterwards, that’s fine, but you will be subservient. It’s a business mindset, not political. Pelosi has fundamentally misread him. She would like to think he knows that impeachment would be bad for the country. That’s the last thing on his mind.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. The Mueller Report has a shelf life
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:52 AM
May 2019

It loses some potency every week that passes since Barr released "it's conclusions." To most of the American public it becomes "water under the bridge" once the river rounds another bend. A witness appearing before the House a few months hence will not have the same impact as that same witness appearing next week. The only move that can set back the clock to day one would be the commencement of an impeachment inquiry. That alone would restore a sense of immediacy and urgency to confronting the crimes we already know Trump committed. Without that, for most of the public, the words "Mueller Report" will become as tired and empty as the word "Benghazi" is to Democrats now. Old news, time to move on...
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BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
13. Yes, plus we have hot irons in the fire with China, Iran and North Korea
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:04 AM
May 2019

One foreign crisis and it's game over. We need to act yesterday. This way, if anything happens, he's wagging the dog.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
15. Impeachment hearings need to happen immediately and the courts need to fast track all cases
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:09 AM
May 2019

Dealing with the erosion of Congressional oversight like Judge Amit Mehta whose overseeing the Trump financial records case. He obviously gets exactly what's happening

Trump's other weapons are stonewalling and dragging this out in the courts

Pelosi and the oversight chairs need to wake up and get cracking

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. Pelosi and the oversight chairs are wide awake
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:12 AM
May 2019

You may not agree with them, but don't think they are somehow less aware of everything related to this than you are.

barbtries

(28,753 posts)
61. i think they're building a bulletproof case.
Sat May 11, 2019, 06:19 AM
May 2019

it's going to court. the nail biter part of it is will it be a court of law or a trump court.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
4. Exactly. And any show of weakness will embolden the entire Republican party.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:20 AM
May 2019

An impeachment inquiry MUST begin immediately. No more delays.

And remember, an impeachment inquiry is not impeachment!

Initech

(100,018 posts)
5. He's like Thanos with only 3 of the Infinity Stones.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:39 AM
May 2019

And he can already do a shit ton of damage with them. He's on a warpath to find the remaining 3.

Mme. Defarge

(8,002 posts)
7. This article/statement needs to appear in every
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:50 AM
May 2019

newspaper and news outlet in the country. A full page in the NYT and WP for starters.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
9. Excellent analysis.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:56 AM
May 2019

Trumpy is now a Dictator. It's up to Democrats in Congress to dethrone him.

Republicans are joining Trumpy in dismantling the Constitution. Right now. They DON'T CARE about the survival of the nation as a democratic republic.

Don't count on 2020. The opportunity to change the course of dictatorship is narrowing by the day. The election will be rigged in Trumpy's favor, will be illegitimate, and NO ONE will have the power to contest it.

This is where we are. Right now.

BunnyMcGee

(463 posts)
10. Gut Hit
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:00 AM
May 2019

I have felt that these events individually were bad, but to read the events in their entirety is like a hit in the gut. I just emailed my Rep. Sean Casten to support impeachment as soon as the evidence allows. But is this too late as well?

jmbar2

(4,858 posts)
12. He is pussy-grabbing the nation
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:01 AM
May 2019

Because when you're a useful idiot, Republicans just let you do it.

Trump is just a useful tool for the Talebangelicals and economic neocons. He is relentlessly pushing boundaries, taking them where they always wanted to go. Once they get the strongest position possible, he will outlive his usefulness.

The republican party is now only about Christian dominionism, abortion, vampire capitalism, and white male power.

Fight like hell people, fight!

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. Excellent analysis. BUT
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:10 AM
May 2019

Last edited Fri May 10, 2019, 11:50 AM - Edit history (1)

It is to Trump's advantage for the Democrats to consolidate all of the investigations under the one impeachment umbrella. That way, he'd have one enemy, one foil and he has proven to be an expert at that kind of battle. He is not as adept at fighting on multiple fronts.

The Democrats don't lose any time or any advantage by conducting their investigations at this point outside of the impeachment context. In fact, it gives them more options and resources. It also allows them to come at him from many different directions, which they couldn't do if this were all consolidated into an impeachment proceeding.

As I said in another thread:

They don't want Schiff and the House Intelligence Committee rooting around in Trump's foreign entanglements while, at the same time, Ways and Means obtains and analyzes his tax returns while Waters and her Financial Services Committee are going through his banking records and calling in Deutsche Bank executives to testify about them and Cummings and the Oversight Committee are hauling administration officials in to explain themselves ...

Instead of dealing with several House investigations, Trump's people want to focus like a laser beam only on the Judiciary Committee's impeachment inquiry and to narrow that focus on the Mueller Report so that the Articles of Impeachment are limited to those specific issues, which are already known to the public, who haven't been swayed in great numbers by it. They want and need to make the impeachment inquiry the boogeyman, instead of dealing with several different investigations on several different fronts.

They want nothing more than for the Democrats to rush in before they've completed their other investigations and impeach Trump on a fairly limited scope of wrongdoing and they want them to do it soon so that the Senate can acquit by the end of the summer and then leave Trump more than a year to refocus the argument away from impeachment and leave him plenty of time to throw out 400 or so new outrageous distractions and make his impeachment an irrelevant distant memory come November 2020.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212087188


So, while I agree that the Democrats can't afford to delay a conflict with Trump, I don't agree that that conflict can only be joined by opening an impeachnent inquiry right now. And it would be extremely damaging to the country and our future for the anxiousness about stopping him to lead us to go into this battle not fully armed. The multiple investigations by several committees is the right approach at this moment.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
22. Other investigations can still proceed - into child separations, security clearances, emoluments etc
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:33 AM
May 2019

Impeachment needs to focus on #Traitor's refusal to protect our democracy from an attack by a foreign power(s?)

Every other committee can keep pushing, must keep pushing, since this WH hasn't turned over ONE single piece of requested documentation and are actively directing staff to break the law by refusing subpoenas. #Traitor is stonewalling along with a strategy of dragging everything thru an extended court battle.

Focus impeachment on his Russian collaboration, let everything else continue on

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. I don't think so
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:49 AM
May 2019

Any investigation into Trump's wrongdoing would likely be rolled up into the impeachment investigation - and if it's not, it would be difficult to later try to fold it in. And it would be too easy for Trump and a large part of the public (and not just his base) to dismiss anything not included in the impeachment proceedings as extraneous political piling on - since, after all, if it were so important, why isn't it part of the impeachment investigation?

All of these things need to be investigated and then referred to the Judiciary Committee en masse for impeachment consideration. Doing an impeachment investigation on one hand and separate investigations into Trump's illegal behavior, in my view, won't work.

klook

(12,151 posts)
64. Your points in this and your previous post
Sat May 11, 2019, 10:52 AM
May 2019

are well reasoned, and I agree. Thanks for your perspective.

As much as we desperately want to take Trump down for his OBVIOUS crimes and corruption, we must attack on multiple fronts. He is an adept criminal who has withstood opposition from many adversaries over the years. He now has the power of the presidency, as well as the entire Republican Party and much of the court system in league with him.

We are cursed with living in “interesting times,” as the old saying goes. The battles continue.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
35. You're right
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:51 AM
May 2019

I'm used to referring to her in a fun affectionate way as "Maxine" and "Auntie Maxine" in other contexts - but you're right that it was not appropriate in this context when listing her alongside men of the same status whom I referred to by their last names.

I have edited it in both this post and in the OP.

Thanks for pulling my skirt tail - I always want to do better!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
39. Impeachment hearings don't have to be limited to the content of the Mueller Report
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:33 PM
May 2019

Nor must they be limited to any initial listing of impeachable offenses. Until Impeachment comes up for a vote by the House of Representatives, there is nothing stopping the inquiry from investigating and potentially adding new counts to the grounds for impeachment prior to that vote.

I disagree that Democrats can't afford to initiate that process until all potential crimes that Trump committed can be fully documented. We could be learning of new outrages for years to come, coming from New York State investigations for example to say nothing of further Federal ones. Meanwhile we need to knock Trump off offense now, and put him back on defense.

What needs to be established is that Trump is clearly unfit to serve as President, not every reason why he is unfit to serve as President. Non impeachment hearings will not elicit the same prolonged laser focus from the public as impeachment hearings would.There is real danger in not beginning the impeachment process before the 2020 Presidential campaign begins in earnest. That delay would precisely fit Trump's preferred framing of impeachment being purely political theater. With prevailing political wisdom arguing that it is NOT in Democrat's interest to begin impeachment proceedings now, now is precisely when they can be justified as necessary in order to uphold the Constitution, political consequences be damned. And that, ironically, is the best political framing we can ask for: Upholding the Constitution because the facts, not politics, demands it.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
18. Its not just trump
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:18 AM
May 2019

The entire GOP has been “seizing power “ for at least 3 decades.
We just watched the Alabama Senate disregard rules. We saw it in Wisconsin, we’ve seen it in the Georgia governors race, the Crosscheck system, the dismantling of ACORN etc etc.

We’ve been watching this happen while many on the left keep telling us to the rule of law will stop them.

It won’t happen.

They keep bringing up how long it took for Nixon to not get impeached and yet never bring up Bush and Cheney and the war crimes and profiteering they got away with, not due to Obama but due to the protection the Bush admin would get from Republicans and help from right wing operated news networks

I don’t know it takes so many people so long to see through these snakes. They would absolutely love it if trump takes the fall for all of them some day.

susanna

(5,231 posts)
60. Been watching it happen since Carter/Reagan.
Sat May 11, 2019, 02:07 AM
May 2019

I was very young then; too young to vote.

But your assessment absolutely right. The power-hungry GOP have been coalescing power around local/state/federal offices for decades.

The vaunted "Rule of Law" only works if all parties play by those rules. One major party does not. And so here we are.

Ponietz

(2,932 posts)
19. K&R
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:21 AM
May 2019

Last edited Fri May 10, 2019, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)

And thank you for this well-written opinion.
Since January, 2017 I’ve thought that direct confrontation is inevitable and best ASAP. The threat continues to escalate on an almost daily basis.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. So what do you suggest can be done?
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:30 AM
May 2019

Your analysis is probably right on the money, though I think the brains behind Trump’s coup aren’t necessarily his. I can’t convince myself that he’s an evil genius with a master plan to rule the earth. He’s too obviously and willfully misinformed about anything that isn’t him. Is it Putin? Steven Miller? McConnell and his wife? Steve Brannon? Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh with their daily phone calls and on the golf course?

So is there any hope or actions that can stop this consolidation of power? You’ve outlined the problem very well. Is there a solution?

yonder

(9,653 posts)
29. Yes, that is my thinking too.
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:34 AM
May 2019

The OP is a very good analysis of what is happening but seems to make tRump the driver of it all. While tRump may have some tactical ability, I just can't believe he has the strategic mind nor the unwavering focus (beyond his grudging "they bad, they good)" to achieve the level of destruction they've accomplished so far.

Miller is likely the Wormtongue, the earpiece, the conduit by which the strategy is translated and whispered into tRumps ear. Who knows who the architect really is? IMO, what is happening has Bannon's grimy DNA all over it but somehow I don't think even he is the Dark Lord here. Rather, he is part of some larger, far more sinister group that has been mostly laying low, playing their unseen hand as they may, until they finally have the cards in place to make their move.

shanti

(21,674 posts)
43. Come to think of it
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:53 PM
May 2019

you are right. We haven't heard a peep from the PNAC'ers, well, except for Bolton. Cheney, Rumsfeld...nada. And they're all so old. The newer R assholes are all teabaggers, different story there.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
41. Trump is now the clear and imminent threat
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:44 PM
May 2019

His own hyper inflated ego increasingly doesn't care who backed him in his rise to power, he truly believes he knows more than anyone else, that his "gut" is pure gold and nothing else comes close. He will increasingly become reckless and intoxicated with power, now that he has good cause to belive that he can break anyone who stands against him.

We can discuss other less visible forces, but to the extent that they are players they need someone with Trump's nationalist populist flair and appeal in order to powerfully pursue their ends. First order of business is to confront and counter Trump, the man, now.

yonder

(9,653 posts)
47. I do not disagree. It takes only a little nudge in the desired direction
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:00 PM
May 2019

and tRumps own "hyper inflated ego" and evil gravity takes over, snowballing uncontrollably, growing bigger, bringing the rest of us with it while guaranteeing only one thing: were headed downhill. Which is why it seems Bannon, the destroyer, the anarchist perhaps, may be nudging those levers.

Yes, first order of business, deal with Trump ASAP.

A very good thread, TR.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
44. Defend the Constitution, and thereby be known as the defenders of our Constitution
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:00 PM
May 2019

It no longer matters whether a Republican Senate would remove Trump from office if impeached. Let them be judged for their actions should they vote not to remove Trump as President. Let Democrats be judged for doing everything in their power to defend our constitution. Let that be the hill we fight on. Impeachment, like nothing that has come before it, will lay out all the facts for the public to absorb in a format that they will not be able to, let alone want to, ignore. It will be riveting like no alternate Congressional action ever could be. Throw political calculations out the window, they only soil the oath of office that our elected representatives took upon taking office. If the reasons to impeach Trump are both grave and compelling, they must dictate our actions. And that ultimately will also put us on the firmest political grounds possible heading into the 2020 elections.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
45. Hopefully Trump will push the House to start impeachment
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:35 PM
May 2019

It’s no longer a matter of if Trump pushes. He has and will.

Ilsa

(61,688 posts)
26. He's already talked about adding two years to his term
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019

because of the inconvenience of oversight. If he wins another term, and if the gop regains all of Congress, then I think we can say goodbye to the 22nd Amendment. I'm not sure how the old white men will strip away voting rights of women and nonwhites, but after they get one item taken care of, they'll go after another.

We also have a massive coverup going on and every republican is complicit.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
27. He's a grabber, only push back will stop him
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:27 AM
May 2019

It starts with leaning in. Then it's a light brush followed by a touch.

He "grooms" his victims over time by escalation. Each action building on the previous concession.

Now he's moved into the spare bedroom and will soon sell our house.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
28. There is no fucking "calculus" involved any more...
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:29 AM
May 2019

This is as simple as 1+1 = 2.

1 - Obstruction of Justice (continuing hourly, but at least 10 counts are PROSECUTABLE today!!!)
1 - Congressional responsibility to prosecute/impeach
2 - number of months too goddamn long we have been waiting for Impeachment process to start

Throwing in integrals and differentials to try and make it seem like this is somehow OPTIONAL any longer is a grave disservice to America and the idea that it represents - government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Lincoln would be aghast at just how close we are getting to allowing that very concept to perish from the Earth...

ACT NOW, ACT DECISIVELY, OR PAY THE PRICE FOREVER.


 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
31. "Trump stands before members of the American military and expects them to cheer him on personally"
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:45 AM
May 2019

That is where the real danger lies, if the military decide to become loyal to the buffoon and not the country, and I will repeat myself by saying that the military can be corrupted easier than many people think. Flynn, Kelly, anyone?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
40. From a former life selling collectables I made a friend who contracted with the Pentagon
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:37 PM
May 2019

He knows a lot of top brass personally. Politically I would call him a very moderate Republican by nature. He confided to me about a year ago that a number of former and current Generals that he knows have expressed concern to him over accelerating efforts to politicize the military at every level. They take that threat seriously.

Glorfindel

(9,714 posts)
32. Brilliant analysis, Tom Rinaldo. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:45 AM
May 2019

I hope someone, somewhere will do something before the process of disarming is completed.

KPN

(15,633 posts)
38. A great telling of what's gone on, why, how and
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:00 PM
May 2019

what lies in store, what we are faced with. Someone upthread said everyone here at DU should read this. I agree. It should be required reading. Your assessment is not hyperbolic. It is realistic and spot on.

It strikes me that Trump has taken a path that has no alternative but to build on itself. He has gone down a road of no return. As all despots have and do. He is now, due in part to his personal nature but equally if not more so out of necessity “all-in”. He has no place else to go. There are no redeeming forks to take in the road he’s chosen. And he can only become increasingly dangerous as he continues down the road.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
42. Precisely. He is all in.
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:50 PM
May 2019

And the fact that his personal freedom as well as his business empire is at grave risk, should he lose control of the Republican Party and the Office of the President, makes him only that much more dangerous. He has too much at stake and no other way out other than the further consolidation of his power.

trev

(1,480 posts)
46. "Trump escalates intimidation and confrontation faster than our systems are designed to react to."
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:40 PM
May 2019

Another one of Hitler's tactics. Act fast and seize the prize before anyone else can respond.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
49. Thank you, Tom Rinaldo
Fri May 10, 2019, 06:13 PM
May 2019

Had lunch with my double first cousin today. We have always been like sister and little brother. Now that he is retired from a major defense contractor, I realize how far we have grown apart. My father tried to become a mover and shaker within the union in the automotive industry, my uncle and his son (my cousin) both retired from a management position with a primer government contractor.

"Time is not on Democrats side." My cousin did not want to discuss the crisis, he is embarking on a world tour as a retired management employee of a large supplier to Uncle. Oh the stories I could tell. I rarely disagree with Phillip, feels like the Revolutionary War. (DAR qualified)

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
50. On the one hand you are correct...but
Fri May 10, 2019, 06:32 PM
May 2019

I personally don't think he's that smart. It's just winning by bullying and barrelling over everyone and everything in his way because he's a megalomaniac at best.

The republicans aren't so much "taken over" as they are playing along so they can get a chunk of the pie as soon as Trump burns it all down. (as long as they don't get fried to a crisp in the process)
We are in a pre-dystopian era IMO

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
51. Yup. Even at this moment, he and Putin, and the GOP are concocting the next "outrage"
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:40 PM
May 2019

for the MSM to twiddle their concern thumbs about. At which point they will send out the invite to some Democrat to react to the next day.When it will be too late, and the next outrage will already be coming down the pike.

Strongly worded letters and bragging about what they COULD do, if they had the gumption, or if it was the RIGHT TIME, is beyond lame at this point. It is shirking their duty.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
56. WE. MUST. BE. BOLD.
Sat May 11, 2019, 12:47 AM
May 2019

WE. MUST. BE. PATRIOTS.

Donald J. Trump is a fool and a dangerous fraud. We must, and we shall, remove him – and anyone who is protecting him. It's time to awaken the American Eagle.

Step 1: Mueller testifies. He clarifies in no uncertain terms what is already stated and self evident: He wanted Congress to prosecute the President for 11 cases (and counting) of obstruction of justice.

Step 2: Impeach the president.

Give ANY Democratic leader who gets it your complete support. No more infighting. Period. Just focus on what is working and keep hammering. There is more of us than there are of the self-serving and drunkenly corrupted non-patriots.

We beat the German Fascists. We will beat this son of a German Fascist.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
57. And remember Churchill?
Sat May 11, 2019, 12:59 AM
May 2019

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Remember how he was the curmudgeon who lead Britain against the Nazis? Remember how unlikely he seemed, and how the circumstances of WWII brought his fire and leadership? Any one of our top Democratic leaders, in the face of this evil, can do the same.

Warren was the first to see the writing on the wall. She read the damn redacted 400 pages on the plane and when she landed she concluded we had to impeach. She's already speaking with the fire of truth. Give her deep consideration. Right now she has the intelligence, the stamina and now the political experience to be our Churchill.

If Biden steps up to the Impeachment plate I could go with him too. But right now Warren is leading the gathering storm clouds.

ecstatic

(32,640 posts)
58. I'm not sure I'll be able to forgive or forget if he's not impeached
Sat May 11, 2019, 01:52 AM
May 2019

That's how strongly I feel about this situation.

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