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Fri May 10, 2019, 01:21 PM

12 Year Old Tells What The Shooter Said to Him, 1:18 seconds. CNN:

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/05/09/colorado-school-shooting-highlands-ranch-student-vivaan-kalura-brooke-nr-vpx.cnn

The student tells a short story. In the beginning he says that the shooter said, "Shut up, or I will shoot all of you. At the very end, he is asked what should become of this. He said something like, "Our school doesn't have metal detectors."

Observation and opinion. About 10 years ago, I was asked to help out in a high school in Chicago. I was asked to help judge an event like a "Science Fair" but instead it was a "History Fair." I recall going into the school, it was a Chicago Public High School, and seeing all students entering through one door. All students had to go through security and a metal detector That was maybe 8 to 10 years ago. Putting in metal detectors in a large public school system is I thought, " a ...no brainer".
... Something every school had accomplished since the horror of Columbine, I thought. But in Colorado a few days ago, a school, K - 12 had no metal detectors. I was not there, but that student was there. In comes a man with a gun, and kills someone, and wounds others. And says, "Shut up or, I'll shoot all of you."

..I am upset. If the Chicago Public Schools can have metal detectors, and make everyone go through them, to protect the staff and students, then why can't the state of Colorado help fund the metal detectors?

..Where I went to judge was not one of those "fancy schools" It was an average high school in a middle class community with a large mix of students from all over. 9 - 12 . So, what is going on in this country?
.. If you need metal detectors to make a school safe, then you install them and make everyone go through them. At doors where there are no metal detectors, you put some kind of security to prevent people from entering the school without going through the metal detectors. As a former high school teacher, I have seen a lot. More stories than you have space.
..If there is a fire or emergency, then the doors where the security is, are opened and everyone gets out through all doors as quickly as possible. Is this too difficult to work out for all our students and schools? Well, there is thinking that, "It won't happen here because we don't have this problem"
..It has been proven that thinking is wrong. It can happen anywhere there is a school, lots of students and staff, and widespread availability of guns.
..This has happened before, it happened a few days ago, and will probably happen again.


..sorry for earlier typo errors, they have been corrected..


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Reply 12 Year Old Tells What The Shooter Said to Him, 1:18 seconds. CNN: (Original post)
Stuart G May 2019 OP
kcr May 2019 #1
Stuart G May 2019 #2
jberryhill May 2019 #6
X_Digger May 2019 #18
kcr May 2019 #21
Codeine May 2019 #27
Haggis for Breakfast May 2019 #30
dawg day May 2019 #3
Stuart G May 2019 #5
MattP May 2019 #4
jberryhill May 2019 #7
boston bean May 2019 #16
Stuart G May 2019 #8
lostnfound May 2019 #14
Codeine May 2019 #9
Stuart G May 2019 #10
lostnfound May 2019 #15
sop May 2019 #11
defacto7 May 2019 #28
tblue37 May 2019 #29
Mc Mike May 2019 #12
malaise May 2019 #13
Stuart G May 2019 #19
Blue_true May 2019 #17
Stuart G May 2019 #20
cagefreesoylentgreen May 2019 #22
elocs May 2019 #23
Stuart G May 2019 #24
elocs May 2019 #25
Stuart G May 2019 #26

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 01:35 PM

1. The reason they don't have them isn't because they don't think it's a problem

The reason they don't have them is they don't want their schools to be a place where their children have to go through a metal detector every day. Most schools don't have metal detectors because they are schools, not prisons and courthouses. Should every place have metal detectors now? Every theater? Every mall? Every office building? Every newspaper? How about we do something more practical instead. Deal directly with the problem. Guns.

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Response to kcr (Reply #1)

Fri May 10, 2019, 01:41 PM

2. If, and I am saying If, the problem can be solved with everyone going through metal detectors,

then have everyone go through metal detectors. In high schools and in all schools if this will prevent this from happening. Of course the problem is "Guns." But that one is going to take a long time to solve. Yes, everyone entering the school goes through a metal detector and the problem will be solved. That is what they do in the Chicago Public High Schools.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #2)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:20 PM

6. These types of things don't seem to happen in places like the Chicago Public High Schools


This appears to be overwhelmingly a problem with white culture.

For as much as white suburbanites tend to think of high density urban environments as "dangerous", it is remarkable how these things tend to happen in low-density largely white suburban schools.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #2)

Fri May 10, 2019, 08:19 PM

18. Metal detectors aren't metal repellant.

It's not like a jewelry store entry that's boxed in where you have to be buzzed in. No, a school shooter just has to start with shooting the SRO manning the metal detector.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #2)

Sat May 11, 2019, 02:34 PM

21. Well, if you'd presented an argument that they would do so

You would have a point.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #2)

Sat May 11, 2019, 09:14 PM

27. Then the kid with an attitude

and access to daddy’s gun collection will just shoot up the kids lined up at the detector point.

Also, here in my part of the country schools are clusters of little cinder-block buildings on a campus, often just three or four rooms per building. Little Johnny ShootEmUp just has to hop a fence to avoid the front gates and it’s open season. And that’s just the ones that are fenced-in — some schools have all sorts of open entry points in the form of sports facilities, parking lot areas, faculty entry gates, etc.

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Response to kcr (Reply #1)

Sat May 11, 2019, 11:17 PM

30. YOU obviously DON'T have a personal connection to a school shooting, kcr.

I would do anything to walk the clock back to February 13, 2018 and make damn sure that Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida had a fucking metal detector.

So would my niece.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:09 PM

3. Metal detectors would only be the beginning though

You'd have to have guards checking the ones who set it off.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #3)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:19 PM

5. Yes, there are guards in that high school I talked about. Also, security walking in the schcool

The set up with the metal detectors had 2 or 3 guards there all the time. Well, it is expensive. Very expensive.
Are the children of the U.S.A. worth the expense? Yes, I realize the U.S.A. might be the only country where this needs to be done, but that is part of the cost of protecting ourselves from all those guns out there. I believe I saw a picture of the shooter in court. He had purple hair streaks. But what I read is he took the guns from his father's room or his father's gun collection.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:16 PM

4. How are metal detectors going to stop a shooting

The detector would go off the gunman would shoot the guard and proceed to his objective the only way is to get rid of the guns

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Response to MattP (Reply #4)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:21 PM

7. Metal detector traffic points provide a convenient concentration of targets


Why go in the school? The kids are all conveniently lined up at the metal detector.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Fri May 10, 2019, 07:43 PM

16. And as the kid line up to enter they are sitting ducks in a line.

Happened already at court houses.

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Response to MattP (Reply #4)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:21 PM

8. The detector is set up in a way that prevents that. I am not an expert, but

somewhere in our community at DU, there is an expert. It is often set up and shootings are prevented.

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Response to MattP (Reply #4)

Fri May 10, 2019, 06:29 PM

14. Or soccer fields or school busses... we want them to become rats in cages?

This country is just GROSS in its defense of the indefensible.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:29 PM

9. My children attend schools, not correctional facilities.

They are students, not inmates.

Besides, the school the oldest (and her little brother year after next) attends is spread over at least six different buildings in a downtown business/retail/entertainment district in a four block area. Metal detectors would be literally impossible unless everyone using those buildings wanted to be subjected to that nonsense.

Don’t treat symptoms, treat illnesses.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #9)

Fri May 10, 2019, 02:42 PM

10. Once in the school, it is a school, not a prison.

This is only at the entrance. Is security walking through the halls bad? But after awhile, you get used to it. The security officers have names, and when I dealt with them when I was teaching in a high school, most of the officers were nice people who never abused their position. They were there to prevent violence, and it worked.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #10)

Fri May 10, 2019, 06:36 PM

15. In a future life, I want my kids to grow up in Norway..Or Sweden, Switzerland, New Zealand..

So that they will know what it is like to have a sense of freedom, community, safety, sanity..

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 03:02 PM

11. Gun manufacturers externalize negative costs to American taxpayers

"Externalizing" is a socioeconomic term describing how one business maximizes its profits by off-loading indirect costs and forcing negative effects to a third party, in this case the general public and other businesses. Gun violence results in billions of dollars of negative externals every year, from the increasing cost of medical care, out-of-control policing, prisons and our court system, down to the need for expensive security everywhere we go.

All Americans pay dearly in blood and treasure to maintain the 2nd Amendment rights of a small minority of gun owners. We're also subsidizing gun manufacturers' profits by shifting these social and economic costs to the general public. It's the age-old "privatize your profits, socialize your losses" trick practiced by free-market true believers. We just can't afford it any longer.

Whatever negative external costs are created by the presence of guns in America, firearms manufacturers must pay for it. It can't continue being off-loaded onto the rest of us. Levy an "external negative costs tax" on all firearms, ammunition and related gun products, then use that revenue stream to pay for the societal costs caused by these products.

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Response to sop (Reply #11)

Sat May 11, 2019, 09:34 PM

28. This...

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Response to sop (Reply #11)

Sat May 11, 2019, 10:07 PM

29. I've read that 50% of guns in the US are owned by just 3% of the population. nt

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 05:59 PM

12. In low income city areas, there are bad youths with guns who occasionally shoot an innocent

bystander, while aiming at competition they're targeting. Sometimes they shoot an unarmed innocent on purpose.

In the wealthier suburbs, there are kids who are aiming exclusively to shoot innocent bystanders. The shooters are wealthier, white boys, insane far right gun nuts.

I'd rather be in the poorer city areas.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 06:08 PM

13. This is not fair to the children

This madness must stop

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Response to malaise (Reply #13)

Fri May 10, 2019, 08:37 PM

19. Yes, the absolute horror of these events is unfair to the children and especially the parents.

But the madness must stop, as you said, but it won't. Hear is an answer. Every school has metal detectors. Anyone caught with a gun (if a student) is automatically expelled and charged. Anyone else caught entering the school with a loaded gun, or any kind of gun, 10 year prison sentence no matter what.
...call it a ...."NO GUNS IN SCHOOL RULE"..

Everyone knows the rule, it is simple to understand, and fairly applied to everyone. The word will get out.."NO GUNS BROUGHT TO SCHOOL, IN THE SCHOOL FOR ANY REASON..(exception security guards) After a couple of years, and several hundred arrests (or several thousand arrests) all schools will be safe.
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That is correct, I said all schools will be safe. Every school has a metal detectors and the rule applies to everyone. (except security guards who are known by the administration and have credentials to prove it) This is ugly and somewhat drastic. Yes, it is. But, this will prevent major disasters like we have seen, and if nothing is done, we will see again.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2019, 08:02 PM

17. Instead of hardening classrooms and putting in metal detectors,

majority republicans in Florida want to arm teachers. All arming teachers will do is insure that teachers are shot first.

Idiot Florida republicans!!!! Provide funds for metal detectors and tempered glass that is backed by high density plastic. Fund putting high density plastic in school doors and around door locking mechanisms.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #17)

Fri May 10, 2019, 08:49 PM

20. Well, I was a high school teacher in 2 very tough neighborhoods..

..No, I don't want to be armed. I think you said it, "Idiot Florida republicans.." Let the Idiots shoot it out at the OK Corral with the Mob. Shootout broadcast live coast to coast.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2019, 03:05 PM

22. How does this stop 3D printed guns?

A contingency method might be a coat room where all the kids can leave heavy outerwear and bags over a certain size?

STEM is my nephew’s school (first grade).

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2019, 06:16 PM

23. I'd reckon that most everyone where there has been a mass shooting has believed,

"It could never happen here" until it does.
I never thought I would know anyone who was in a mass shooting situation. My goddaughter's mom manages a lab at a Chicago hospital but I didn't know which one. So when the Chicago hospital had the shooting at the end of last year I figured there were lots of hospitals in Chicago so what were the odds that it was her's? Well, it was, and not only that the shooter was in the hallway outside her lab's door which was locked and as they were hiding the heard someone turn the door knob. One of the bodies was right outside her lab and she knew the doctor who was killed.
I sure she had thought before, "it could never happen here".

Unfortunately, in an open society there is no one perfect way to stop somebody who is determined to kill people before they are stopped or killed.
And in tribally divided America there will be no consensus on what to do about guns.

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Response to elocs (Reply #23)

Sat May 11, 2019, 08:02 PM

24. There is only one way that I think something will be done.

A special event in Congress, where all the important people in Congress are there. You can list the important people who are there for whatever reason. Someone gets into the event, and does what is done in these school shootings. The results are the same, except these are well known people in Congress. Not just a few, but many of them.
.. Then, and sadly, only then, will something be done. I am not proposing this, or in favor of anyone being hurt for any reason. The U.S.A. has enough killings due to guns. This is awful and a horrible reflection of us. I am totally against any of this. Having said that, and those are my deepest beliefs, the first paragraph could be the only way something very strong is done.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #24)

Sat May 11, 2019, 08:52 PM

25. May I say that is an outstanding Eisenhower quote as your sig.

How far the GOP has moved away from being the party of Eisenhower and that he would find no place for himself in today's Republican party.

Under Trump, the scenario you presented would be used as an excuse for a crackdown and a move further towards fascism and nothing would be done about guns.

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Response to elocs (Reply #25)

Sat May 11, 2019, 09:11 PM

26. I was wrong..."Excuse for a crackdown, move further towards fascism.." You are correct.

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