Sooo.

[sheshe2]

From what I am reading here on Democratic Underground is that Democrats suck. They are spineless. They need to get their balls out of the jar where they stored them. Nancy Pelosi is old and should get the hell out of the way. SHE TOOK IMPEACHMENT OFF THE TABLE! She sucks.(no she didn't and no she does not.)

Yes, I have read this and more here. "Oh goody a sternly written letter!" "I don't want to hear what they could do, I want to hear what is happening NOW!" Do it, Do it now, wimps!

Fact is they are following the rule of law and finding the best way to make it happen. They have submitted subpoenas. GOP stalls. They are working hard to make this right. If you all thinks it's so easy, then apply for that job and make it all happen with a snap of your fingers.

We hold a majority in ONE branch of the government. You understand that correct? A huge blue wave got us where we are today, a very small balance of power, but we won that through hard work and voting en mass.

Sadly I saw the same thing happening here in 2008 when Obama was first elected. I wasn't a member just then, only reading.

He became President in one of the worst financial times where we were at the brink of a deep depression. He won a huge landslide victory and brought us back from the brink. Then he was ripped to shreds, vilified for not doing anything fast enough.

Me, I am a Democrat. Always have been.

Vote Democratic 2020 and beyond.

Fact is our lives depend on it.

[we can do it]

1. Thank you for saying that.

Tired of the divisive bs.

[Zoonart]

2. BRAVO!

[monmouth4]

3. Great post sheshe2..n/t

[NanceGreggs]

4. ...

[sheshe2]

5. ;)

[lapucelle]

6. This Democrat thanks you.

[sheshe2]

7. This Democrat, luvs ya!

[saidsimplesimon]

8. to sheshe with respect, a rec for honesty

I have never said Democrats suck. I have not seen any evidence that other Democrats deserve the pejorative.

[sheshe2]

12. With all due respect, saidsimplesimon..

When Democrats are called spineless (said here all the time), and just tonight read they need to get their balls out of the jar where they stored them ...that in my book is saying that Democrats suck.

Perhaps that is just me.

[saidsimplesimon]

14. No, it is not about you.

It's about US. I'm not sure any posters saying we are spineless have ever spent any time in the trenches.

Your status as a senior DU member gives you a voice. You deserve it and I am listening.

[sheshe2]

51. Than you, saidsimplesimon.

We have to do this. We have to. Not much time left for the children we will be leaving behind.

Frankly I am terrified that we will not be able to correct the foreign influence of a dictator elect. Read tonight we are sending another boatload of tomahawks to Iran tonight.

I worry every morning I wake that we will be at war.

[treestar]

9. True, it is not like it is an actual boxing match

some comments lead me to think that's how they see it!

[sheshe2]

13. ...and that makes me sad.

We are in fact trying to fight true evil.

[Kurt V.]

10. "Fact is they are following the rule of law and finding the best way to make it happen"

Theses are regular ppl with regular hang ups. they certainly aren't the best and brightest America has to offer. Unfortunately those ppl stay out of politics all together. Having said that, we can challenge them to do better. What's the harm in that

[sheshe2]

16. Hm.

Theses are regular ppl with regular hang ups. they certainly aren't the best and brightest America has to offer. Unfortunately those ppl stay out of politics all together.

Aaah, you mean they don't even vote? You are talking about the voters/ commentators that I referred to, correct?

Having said that, we can challenge them to do better. What's the harm in that

Sorry. A little confused here. Are you saying that the electorate that you said above

they certainly aren't the best and brightest America has to offer.

should challenge our elected officials by calling them spineless wimps?

Sorry. I really do not understand what you are trying to say here.

Sorry. 24/7 mom care. I am tired.

[Kurt V.]

58. i know it can be exhausting. my sister and i had to take care of my mom 24/7.

my sister did mostly. i just filled when needed. hang in there.

[sheshe2]

62. Thank you, Kurt V.

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. +1000000!

[Eko]

11. Great post!

Some people just want to tear things down instead of build them up though. It's a sad fact. Keep building.

[manor321]

15. I've voted D all my life and will continue to do so. I can still criticize their ridiculous...

...approach to impeachment.

There is not one excuse for not starting an impeachment inquiry. Not one.

[saidsimplesimon]

26. I am not privy to the

inner workings of our Democratic Party. That allows me the freedom of speech. Not to destroy our brand, to win in 2020 is my goal.

[yaesu]

17. Mistakes have been made in the past & will be made in the future, our party isn't perfect

but its all we've got & we need to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the policy they choose to follow.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

18. KR NT

[tiredtoo]

19. ok

Glad to see you got that off your chest.

[sheshe2]

20. You have an issue with what I posted.

Please enumerate.

[tiredtoo]

42. No i don't have an issue with what you posted EOM

[sheshe2]

46. thanks, tiredtoo. nt

[mahina]

21. Thank you sheshe2!

My favorite post in weeks.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

22. People who say those things are a product of...

our current instant gratification society.

The wheels of justice grind along very slow.

Seems that patience is no longer a virtue in America.......

[sheshe2]

63. +1000

[barbtries]

23. spot on

for what it's worth it's all over twitter too. i get it, it's the frustration. but we can't forget who brought us this clusterfuck. right now the Democrats are working their asses off to right this ship no doubt about it.

[sheshe2]

36. Hey, barbtries.

They are working their asses off and doing it as one. They are unified.

[barbtries]

47. yep.

it's the frustration and helplessness and bad news multiple times a day. i was for impeachment in 2017. i get what they're doing and why, i think, but it is terribly distressing to see these fucks get away with everything all the time. sometimes i can't even watch the news.

[madamesilverspurs]

24. Well said.

.

[sheshe2]

39. Thank you!

[ismnotwasm]

25. I noticed a long time ago there are people who do not understand politics whatsoever

There is always a process.

[sheshe2]

30. Yep.

A process and not a magic wand, ism.

[ismnotwasm]

38. Yeah. *sigh* yeah

[sheshe2]

48. luv ya

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Thank you.

A lot of people who haven't a clue how the system works, let alone what might be going on behind the scenes, have got their knickers in a twist because Nancy Pelosi hasn't personally dragged Trump out of the White House in handcuffs.

[emmaverybo]

28. Thank you. Some one had to say it. You said it really well.

[classof56]

29. sheshe2, thank you!

You are one of the reasons I continue to be a part of and support DU. As you, I am a Democrat and always will be. Keep speaking the truth. You help keep me sane, and for that I can never thank you enough.

[sheshe2]

32. Hey you.

I haven't seen you in awhile Classof56. Miss you.

Huge hug, much love and thank you.

We can do this.

[classof56]

37. Oh, how much better I feel, reading your msg.

I've been in one of those "life happens when we're busy making plans" modes. Have definitely missed you! Bless you and big thanks. Don't go anywhere, okay?? Lotsa love. Yes, we can!

[sheshe2]

64. Yes we can!

[mcar]

31. Can I rec this a million times

The more things change, the more they stay the same, she. Some here delight in trashing Democrats.

[guillaumeb]

33. Recommended.

I too have recommended investigations first.

Investigations always come before the trial, and Impeachment is a trial.

Congress investigated Nixon and public opinion slowly turned against Nixon.

I recently posted about polling on impeachment being at 45%.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212089609

[Clarity2]

34. I will never badmouth them

Because as much as we are exhausted, many of them have to be 10x as exhausted. They cant take time outs, mental health breaks etc. I have the utmost respect. They may make some miscalculated decisions, but they are fighting hard. When this is over, and hopefully it ends well, I hope we can crowdfund and send them a boatload of flowers to show our appreciation for fighting for all of us. Its a thankless job.

[plimsoll]

35. Key point

"they are following the rule of law"

It's both the strength and weakness of our position. The GOP appears to have abandoned the rule of law and 200+ years of American precedence. We have a case based on the rule of law, but if they really have abandoned the American experiment, then being right won't help.

[MadDAsHell]

40. What DU were you on? President Obama was and is worshipped on here.

He's been out of office for over 2 years and there are still daily pictures posted of him in sunglasses, him in the rain, etc. DU is People magazine for us President Obama fans.

[EffieBlack]

54. The DU I was on was full of people smacking President Obama around

for being weak, too conciliatory, too slow, etc.

Like SheShe, I remember it well ...

[sheshe2]

67. Thanks Effie.

It's one of the reasons I spent so much time in The Barack Obama Group when I first got here. Even there we were not safe.

Some just don't appreciate what they got 'til it's gone.

[wryter2000]

95. OMG, yes

As a mod I saw so many posts claiming Obama was worse than Bush. Disgusting.

[ismnotwasm]

65. Well there was this self deleted epic thread from five years ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964
And this
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024734511

I can find many more and far more recent examples of criticism of Obama that veered into full in hate, but these can stand for all the rest

[sheshe2]

68. I don't even need to click on your links..

I know exactly what you are referring to.

[ismnotwasm]

69. Yeah. Not fun.

[sheshe2]

97. oh shit.

Just looked. 712 replies yet only 123 recs. Hmmm.

[sheshe2]

83. This one.

I know someone posted a few links below. The Obama hate was in fact heartbreaking to me. I admire this man and truly loved him. I was called an Obamabot as were others.

[MadDAsHell]

86. Fair enough. I don't think I could ever "love" any politician though.

It takes a certain ego to presume you have the ability to run a a country of 300+ million people, and I assume alot of the backroom deals and backstabbing that it takes to maneuver to that point is not particularly pretty. Therefore, I don't tend to think of politicians as particularly "good people," regardless of party, though I'm sure as hell glad there's more on our side of the aisle right now (at least in the House).

[sheshe2]

91. well

MadDAsHell (1,840 posts)

40. What DU were you on? President Obama was and is worshipped on here.

He's been out of office for over 2 years and there are still daily pictures posted of him in sunglasses, him in the rain, etc. DU is People magazine for us President Obama fans.

I was on this DU.

You said this. I don't agree. He did not get the respect he deserved.

MadDAsHell

86. Fair enough. I don't think I could ever "love" any politician though.

Love is a pretty lose word. It can mean many things.

I love that it is sunny today. Love how my hair looked after I blew dried it. I love peoples passion when they speak. It means respect many times. Fact is I love the peace and love that the Obama's shared with this country and the world. We were in a better place with them. They lived and thrived in a racially charged Presidency. They did it with grace and class.

Your posts IMHO seems to contradict what you said. Perhaps I am wrong.

Remember some of the laughter. I love this.

08/23/2017
The Real Reason Women Love Barack Obama.
One of the identities of President Barack Obama is the profound love and admiration women have for him. The fact that our 44th President was smart, good looking, charismatic, trim, fit, intelligent, introspective, and possessed a sense of humor didn't hurt. But the quintessential reason so many women loved President Barack Obama is because women love men who love children; and Barack Obama loves children. This photographic walk down memory lane is a testament to that love.


https://www.saviorwomen.com/2017/08/mothers-love-men-who-love-children.html

You have to trust the kids,. They know.

[sheshe2]

92. well

MadDAsHell (1,840 posts)

40. What DU were you on? President Obama was and is worshipped on here.

He's been out of office for over 2 years and there are still daily pictures posted of him in sunglasses, him in the rain, etc. DU is People magazine for us President Obama fans.

I was on this DU.

You said this. I don't agree. He did not get the respect he deserved.

MadDAsHell

86. Fair enough. I don't think I could ever "love" any politician though.

Love is a pretty lose word. It can mean many things.

I love that it is sunny today. Love how my hair looked after I blew dried it. I love peoples passion when they speak. It means respect many times. Fact is I love the peace and love that the Obama's shared with this country and the world. We were in a better place with them. They lived and thrived in a racially charged Presidency. They did it with grace and class.

Your posts IMHO seems to contradict what you said. Perhaps I am wrong.

Remember some of the laughter. I love this.

08/23/2017
The Real Reason Women Love Barack Obama.
One of the identities of President Barack Obama is the profound love and admiration women have for him. The fact that our 44th President was smart, good looking, charismatic, trim, fit, intelligent, introspective, and possessed a sense of humor didn't hurt. But the quintessential reason so many women loved President Barack Obama is because women love men who love children; and Barack Obama loves children. This photographic walk down memory lane is a testament to that love.


https://www.saviorwomen.com/2017/08/mothers-love-men-who-love-children.html

You have to trust the kids. They know.

[Codeine]

87. I seem to recall "piece of shit used car salesman"

being used as a descriptor by a now-departed and formerly well-respected poster. President Obama was regularly disparaged here.

[Cha]

98. She was on the same DU that

I was on where.. President Obama was called a POSUCS that had over a hundred RECS..

And, that was the tip of the iceberg.. we had to post about Obama in the Barack Obama Group to keep out the disingenuous insults.

[nolabear]

41. Abso-freaking-lutely! We cannot self immolate.

We are the hope of this country. Sowing despair and demanding some skewed form of protection is antithetical to everything we need to be doing.

[NBachers]

43. Just imagine the cesspool of abusive hell our Congressional Democrats & staffers have been living in

They are confronted every day with the likes of Devin Nunes, Louie gohmert, Donald Trump, and down the line of stupid, evil, vicious, sick, twisted, perverted, stinking depraved traitors. Forces that gloat as they destroy our Constitution, our nation, and our world.

You know when you have a backstabbing enemy sabotaging everything you do at work? Our Democrats have a whole world mob of backstabbers assaulting them and trying to destroy everything we want them to do.

There are procedures that need to be followed to get to where we want to go. They have laid out these procedures, thought out the advance lines of planning, and are steering things that way. They deserve our support, not our abuse.

Many people seem to be ignorant of the conduct and procedures that have to be followed. They have no idea of the kind of hell that is being dumped on our Democrats. Maybe they think that dumping more hell will get better results.

For better or for worse, the Democratic Party really is the last, best hope of humankind. It is a battle of mythical scale. We'd all better put on our suits of armor and battle it out along side them.

[EffieBlack]

55. "Many people seem to be ignorant of the conduct and procedures that have to be followed"

And these are the ones who seem to be most insistent on lecturing everyone else about what Congress should be doing, even though don't know jacksquat a out procedures, processes or the law

[Rambling Man]

66. I don't think

many people are ignorant of the conduct and procedures that have to be followed, it's just that Democrats are the only ones subject to that conduct and those procedures, processes, and laws.

Other than that, it's a free-for-all. The republicans are largely lawless and have gone rogue. They're fighting a street fight to the death because they're in the dying throes of the last vestiges of white supremacy.

[sheshe2]

93. NBachers.

This should be an OP of it's own.

Thank you.

[Stinky The Clown]

44. Brava! K&R

[NastyRiffraff]

45. VERY glad to recommend

You've said very eloquently exactly what's been bothering me about some people on DU. They want instant results, RIGHT NOW, and forget about the law, procedures, the fact that all this must stand up in court.

I think every one of us would love for Donald Trump and Mike Pence to be gone from OUR House tomorrow. I know I would. But if they were, and Nancy Pelosi would become president, we'd hear about how terrible SHE is. God knows, we've already heard that while she is Speaker and even before. I don't know what would make these people satisfied; I really don't. I have to suspect that at least some of them aren't really Democrats, or like some politicians are Democrats temporarily or in name only.

The fact is that Democrats in Congress must follow procedures, as frustratingly slow as that can be. If they don't, whatever they'd accomplish wouldn't stand up in court. That shouldn't even have to be said, but it seems we do have to say it.

Vote Democratic. Always. Up and down ticket. And for gods' sake, VOTE.

[sheshe2]

49. Yes. THIS!

The fact is that Democrats in Congress must follow procedures, as frustratingly slow as that can be. If they don't, whatever they'd accomplish wouldn't stand up in court. That shouldn't even have to be said, but it seems we do have to say it.

They must follow the rule of law. "If they don't, whatever they'd accomplish wouldn't stand up in court."

I don't know why people don't understand this. I also don't understand that some wish us to become lawless like them. I do not want to become them and we will if we do.

[Hekate]

50. Thanks, She.

There are days where I just want to quit this place in disgust.

[sheshe2]

52. With ya there, Hekate.

late and I got to go. This place is depressing at best.

[EffieBlack]

56. I'm with you

I've gotten pretty sick of trying to explain things to people who think they know everything when they actually know next to nothing.

[EffieBlack]

53. Aw sookie sookie now!

This post says it all, SheShe!

[sheshe2]

79. Thanks, Effie.

[Maeve]

59. Another fact--your post has 93 recs

After mine was added, may be more by now....which indicates that a lot of DUers agree with you, not the doomsayers you describe in your first two paragraphs. Hope lives and struggles on.

As they said back in the day...keep the faith, baby!

[Honeycombe8]

60. You are wise, Grasshopper.

This is exactly what I've been saying.

The Dems in the House have hired expert lawyers. They are weighing the various strategies. There's not exactly a roadmap; we are in uncharted waters.

They are determining a strategy that will work best. There is time. Once impeachment hearings start, there's no turning back. We have one shot. It's important that the public be in agreement, because impeachment won't remove him.

There is more than one way to skin a cat. It's worthwhile to consider various strategies, rather than move headlong into something in a rash way.

We have some time.

Impeachment is not off the table. Pelosi never said that. None of the Democratic leaders have said that.

It's actually as important, if not more important, if they are able to get secret indictments filed, so Trump is arrested after he leaves office. I don't know if they are able to do that.

This is uncharted territory. They are consulting lawyers, having meetings, sent out over 88 subpoenas or official requests for documents, called witnesses to testify. They are proceeding in an orderly fashion. "Proceeding" being the operative word.

[sheshe2]

70. You are 100% correct, Honeycombe.

This is uncharted territory. They are consulting lawyers, having meetings, sent out over 88 subpoenas or official requests for documents, called witnesses to testify. They are proceeding in an orderly fashion. "Proceeding" being the operative word.

Thank you.

[lillypaddle]

61. Preach!

[Trueblue Texan]

71. Fact is, a lot of lives depend on it.

And I couldn't agree with you more. If we are to save this nation, we have to do one thing as well as the Republicans: stick together. You should consider that the Dems in Congress might just know WTF they are doing and have a good reason for doing what they are doing, whether you agree with it or not. Let them do their jobs! They know why they are there and they ARE getting it done! The time for bashing and critique can come after we have pulled this Democracy from the edge of the cliff, but squabbling and criticizing now, is pushing us closer to the edge. In my view, if you are bashing the party leadership right now, you are shitting all over the sacrifices our forefathers made to build this nation; you are helping Putin destroy what credibility and stability and remaining HOPE to survive as a Democratic nation. So STFU if all you got is bitching! Go over to the other side if that's all you got. Help put out the GD fire and stop whining about the water temperature or get lost!

[ehrnst]

72. +1000. (nt)

[redstatebluegirl]

73. BRAVO!

[orangecrush]

74. I love yiur posts

and always read them.

I read a news article that quoted a democratic rep as saying that many reps were moving slowly on imoeachment as they "weren't hearing much about it from the voters".

I believe contacting and urging action as such is actually our duty as citizens, much more so under present conditions.

I believe to be heard and taken seriously it is necessary to do so in a polite and respectful manner. Using terms like "spineless" and "no balls" is counterproductive and uncalled for.

That said, I am really wishing I had a pair of ruby slippers I could tap together right now to take me back to the Obama years.

This is an actual gangster administration.

[sheshe2]

80. Well said, orangecrush.

Thank you....and yes I want Obama and his beautiful family back as well.

[BlueMTexpat]

75. Those who do NOT

support Democrats are traitors, IMO.

[NurseJackie]

76. I have similar feelings about anyone who calls the party "corrupt" and suggests...

I have similar feelings about anyone who calls the party "corrupt" and suggests that there's "no difference" between the GOP and Democrats.

It's that kind of negativity that generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[BlueMTexpat]

101. All too true.

Unfortunately.

I simply cannot tolerate such people any more. I have seen too many Presidential elections stolen by Republicans since the time of Nixon for exactly these reasons.

In EVERY single case, the Democratic alternative was significantly the better option.

And still, some will NEVER learn.

[Gothmog]

77. K&R

[happy feet]

78. Mic drop

[Politicub]

81. Here here!!

[Stonepounder]

82. Great, great post!! Thank You!

We elect the people we are best for the job.
Now LET THEM DO THE DAMN JOB WE HIRED THEM TO DO!

You think it's easy being Speaker of the House?
You think it's easy trying to plot your way through these waters?

Then toss your hat into the ring and run for office!
Ask questions it you don't understand what Dems are doing, but ask respectfully.

We NEED to win the Presidency back and the Senate as well, if possible.
It's not going to happen if we keep bickering among ourselves and being pissed because Dems aren't doing what we think they ought to do. Let them know our opinions, certainly. But let the professionals guide the Ship of State in the way think best.

[sheshe2]

85. I love your response.

Let them know our opinions, certainly. But let the professionals guide the Ship of State in the way think best.

We can do this together, Stonepounder.

Thank you.

[Brainfodder]

84. Nutshell version: Stop being nice & accommodating!

Donnie and Mitch are both endlessly denying transparency like their lives depend on it!?!

This house of cards / web of deceit WILL fail, they have too many people involved now.

[VOX]

88. Thank you! n/t

[johannsyah]

89. love this post

[IronLionZion]

90. I Want It All

and I Want It Now

[wryter2000]

94. I was a mod during the Obama administration

I saw so many posts that said "Obama=Bush" and "Obama is worse than Bush," and, unfortunately, many of them were allowed to stand.

I am so totally sick of that shit.

[sheshe2]

96. Mods were before my time.

I joined in 10/2012.

Yes. Saw all that. It was hard for me then. Then I found The BOG.

I would not have made it without them. The people I met in the Barack Obama group have been my friends here for the past seven years.

Thanks, wryter.

[Cha]

99. Exactly.. I was here for a lot of

it.. but the brainwashed hate, that was calling President Obama a POSUCS, was so bad I left in 2010 for 2 years.

And, only came back because the Groups were formed that only allowed members in.. all others were blocked when they asked for it.

[Cha]

100. Excellent OP, she!

I've been staying out of GD because of posts like you mentioned.. also I'm sick of hearing about what the Psycho is lying about next.

Sooo, you really got this all out there.. hope it serves as wake up call. Glad so many appreciate your OP!

Yes, it was horrible the way President Obama was treated on this board back then.. I left in 2010 for 2 years because of it.

Only came back because the Admins formed Groups that only those who adhered to our Mission Statements were allowed in.. and that's where we met upish!.. in the BOG

But even after 2012 the OP that "President Obama was a POSUCS" was allowed to stand, with over a hundred RECS.. thankfully those types left for JPR..

And, here we are fighting for our lives like you so eloquently stated..

[sheshe2]

102. Yep, BOG was where we 'met'.

It was a lifesaver for me, many of us in fact.

Don't blame you for staying out of GD. Right now it is all about the primaries. We need to do a lot of hard to make this happen. I can't wait for the debates to begin at the end of June!

Thanks, Cha and Happy Mothers Day!

[Cha]

103. Alohahoa, she!

Happy Mom's Day to You, too.. We're All Mothers, and We have/had them, sooo.. We can Enjoy the Day!

To Mommas everywhere

[lunatica]

104. You're right on the money!

Wouldn’t it be nice if DU had a separate forum for the whiners?

Sometimes it gets worse after something good happens. I’m sick of them.

Thanks for this.

[UTUSN]

105. Yip I'm always puzzled by "Dems" attacking Dems more than attacking wingnuts.