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Wed May 15, 2019, 04:36 AM

When are we going to stop...

...speaking the language of the extremists?
There is no such thing as being "pro-abortion", everyone is anti-abortion. Abortion is not a fun thing, and never an easy decision.
However, by using the terms "anti-abortion" or "pro-abortion", the right has changed the tone of the debate, and made it easier to take away a woman's right to choose.
The correct terms to use are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice".
A woman always has the possibility of choice, due to the fact that gestation happens within her own body. She can do it at the risk of her life, or she can do it safely with the help of a doctor. By suppressing the legal right to choose, the legislatures have put many women in danger, and set us back decades.
Let's continue the fight, but let's use the right terms.
Alabama and Georgia are not suppressing abortions, they are taking away the right for a woman to choose her future and the direction of her life.
I'm not even going to mention the horrible term "pro-life", since those who call themselves pro-life are usually pro war and pro death penalty, as well as against the use of contraceptives.
Again, no one is pro-abortion or anti-abortion. There are only people who are pro-choice, or anti-choice, which is much clearer about what they are actually doing.

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:57 AM

1. Hear hear.

I recently had to deal with a temp worker who was an outspoken anti-choice RWNJ. It was all I could do to restrain myself from speaking out, potentially losing my job in the mix.
It was so upsetting to me to recall the horrific 1970's arguments that finally resulted in common sense Roe legislation, thank heaven:
the horrors of what the coathanger, and even more horrifying abandonment and infanticide scenarios that the anti-choice nutjobs represent.
The RWNJ's contract was not extended. I have little doubt why.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #1)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:50 AM

12. I had much the same experience, except the subject of abortion didn't come up for quite a while.

This school secretary and I had chatted happily for several years. She usually took her break whenever I, a frequent sub, did so. One day, she said someone was "pro abortion." I simply said "no one is pro abortion; they're just pro choice." That's ALL it took. She avoided me from then on, and pointed never talked to me again. Just.....wow.

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:09 AM

2. Abortion is not really the issue,

but women's reproductive rights are.
republicans cannot seem to be able to distinguish between the two............or they don't want to.
Women's rights are human rights. Period!

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:10 AM

3. I call it forced-birth.

Btw, sometimes abortion is an easy decision. It's just not the case that it is always a gut-wrenching decision.

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Response to DLevine (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:32 AM

7. +1

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Response to DLevine (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:29 AM

9. Yep. Same here. nt

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:17 AM

4. Until the men who impregnate women are included in the punishments this is about

submission of women, pure and simple.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:28 AM

6. How about this?

If a pregnant woman in a state with these laws certifies in court she is not prepared to carry and/or raise the child, then post-birth DNA tests would identify the father and he would be forced to financially support the woman and the child for the remainder of their lives, or else spend many years in prison.

Reasoning this out a bit more, I suspect the core doctrines of most religions would support that notion......

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:34 AM

10. Bingo! Exactly what my wife says. It takes

two no matter the circumstances. Hold the males accountable and you’ll see these laws evaporate.

We all need to push this point.

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:18 AM

5. I think "pro-women's rights" or "pro-women's choice" has impact too. n/t

Implies that otherwise, you're anti-women......

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:25 AM

8. Been wondering that for years. The Democrats SUCK at messaging.

Every one of them needs to get on the script and never say "abortion", but "choice".

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Response to judy (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:49 AM

11. Disagree. I'm pro-abortion. It's a safe, simple procedure that does what it's intended to do, which

is end an unwanted pregnancy.

For the other side, I prefer pro-criminalization.

And speaking of getting rid of inaccurate narratives:

Abortion is not a fun thing, and never an easy decision.


People know what they need, and in many cases abortion is indeed an easy decision. Disclaimers about how it's not "fun" elides the fact that the vast majority of abortions -- the ones performed in the first trimester -- are simple and routine. We don't need to pain pictures of people with heavy, regretful hearts. People don't want to be pregnant. Abortion fits the bill.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)

Thu May 16, 2019, 08:20 AM

13. It wasn't easy for me,

...even in the first trimester. But while I agree with you, easy and cheap contraception (pill for men too) with conscious and deliberate conception when decided by both partners, seems to be what to aim for.
Still women should be guaranteed the right to choose no matter what.

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Response to judy (Reply #13)

Thu May 16, 2019, 08:58 AM

14. I am sorry it wasn't easy for you.

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