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Wed May 15, 2019, 06:59 AM

Abortions now, birth control next.

Don't think it will happen? Look at the hobby lobby decision. Next Republicans will try to limit access to birth control because they think it kills babies.

What comes after that? Women lose their rights to vote? To work?

I live in a Red State. I'm scared.

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Reply Abortions now, birth control next. (Original post)
Shell_Seas May 15 OP
ETStevens May 15 #1
Chipper Chat May 15 #2
RandiFan1290 May 15 #3
Ohiogal May 15 #4
Demsrule86 May 15 #5
LiberalBrooke May 15 #6
lark May 15 #7
CanonRay May 15 #8
TomSlick May 15 #10
Buckeyeblue Sunday #15
TomSlick Sunday #16
Buckeyeblue Monday #17
Wounded Bear May 15 #9
Kahir165 Thursday #12
Wounded Bear Saturday #13
Hekate Thursday #11
appalachiablue Sunday #14

Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:03 AM

1. Don't Worry!

 

There are Republican woman like the moderate Susan Collins who will protect women.


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Response to ETStevens (Reply #1)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:32 AM

2. Yes. Her concern over things comfort me.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:38 AM

3. Time to shift attention to the so called 'moderates'

What will they do to stop this extremism?

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:50 AM

4. Some of those frightening heartbeat bills

already have language in them to limit or eliminate contraception coverage from private insurance.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:30 AM

5. Ohio passed a heartbeat bill and is now coming for birth control...all the women I warned

in16 who said that ROE could not be overturned are waking up...l think the GOP have overreached...may get the Senate as a result.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:39 AM

6. Young women have no idea

how it is to live without an abortion option. You are right that birth control is next.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:39 AM

7. So sorry to say, but you are 100% right.

Kavanaugh already leaked this strategy when he said "birth control and forms of abortion" should not be allowed. They will pass a version of a bill disallowing abortion nationally and this will also ban birth control, although it won't say that and they will pretend it wasn't intended, but shock - it truly is a kind of abortion so shouldn't be allowed. The only question is will they leave it up to the individual states or just disallow it - period. That's the only real question since I think we can expect Roberts to go along with the other rw Russian Repug SCOTUS justices.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:58 AM

8. Yup.

Bye-bye Griswold v Connecticut.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #8)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:40 PM

10. Exactly!

Roe is based on the finding of a right of privacy in Griswold. If Roe is overturned, it will spell the end of Griswold. At that point, states will be free to ban contraception.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #10)

Sun May 19, 2019, 08:20 AM

15. Exactly...Roe was the first case to explicitly recognize a right to privacy

The 4th amendment hints at a privacy that you have in your home or other possessions but Roe extended that to a physical right to privacy. If you have ever noticed, Republicans will go to lengths to talk about government overreach but they will never use the term right to privacy. Because if the did, the would be using the same language used in Roe.

The facts of Roe are about abortion, for sure. But the court found that there was an inherent right to privacy found in many of the constitutional amendments, and having an abortion fell within this right.

So if Roe goes, so does privacy. And then any number of crazy sex laws can be passed.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #15)

Sun May 19, 2019, 02:44 PM

16. I don't think that is strictly accurate.

The basis of the Griswold decision was the finding of a general right to privacy in the "penumbra" and "emanations" of the specific right grants of the First, Fourth, Fifth, Fifteenth, etc., Amendments. In Griswold, the right to privacy prohibited the State from outlawing the use of contraceptives by married folks.

The right to privacy from Griswold was the legal foundation of Roe. If SCOTUS now overturns Roe, it would seem to me that the right of privacy from Griswold is also at risk. The right-wing legal "scholars" have long argued that Griswold was wrongly decided. The argue that because there is no explicit right to privacy in the constitution, the Court in Griswold was rewriting the Constitution.

It would come as a shock to most citizens that they have no right to privacy but I worry that such may be where SCOTUS is going.

If SCOTUS abandons Griswold, then Lawrence v. Texas (striking "sodomy" laws) is also at risk. If Lawrence v. Texas goes down, Obergefell (same sex marriage) is also at risk. The potential damage is large.




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Response to TomSlick (Reply #16)

Mon May 20, 2019, 02:51 PM

17. You are absolutely correct

When I wrote that I was thinking the chronology was reversed.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:01 AM

9. You are right to be scared...

It certainly will not stop here. They will not stop until they are stopped by good people voting with intelligence and integrity.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #9)

Thu May 16, 2019, 08:51 AM

12. Are you white?

If so, your privilege is on full display with neon lights flashing

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Response to Kahir165 (Reply #12)

Sat May 18, 2019, 04:45 PM

13. Yes, I am, and your condescension is noted...



All I'm saying is that far too many people have withdrawn from the voting process, and until more people "of integrity" get back to voting, the minority faction of hard core Repubs will continue to "win."

If progressives of all races and types get out and vote, we will overwhelm them.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 01:45 AM

11. They've been working on contraception all along. They can walk & chew gum...

...at the same time, as the saying goes.

Unlike Dems, some of whom who boast about their inability to multitask, fanatics are actually good at it when aimed at a single goal. They have a long view, one might even say eternal, since their god speaks directly to them.

Anyhow, the pro-birthers are nothing if not consistent: by a dreadful logic, they are also against birth control, and always have been.

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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 02:05 AM

14. Their long game, must not pay off. Nightmare

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