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Shell_Seas

(3,331 posts)
Wed May 15, 2019, 06:59 AM May 2019

Abortions now, birth control next.

Don't think it will happen? Look at the hobby lobby decision. Next Republicans will try to limit access to birth control because they think it kills babies.

What comes after that? Women lose their rights to vote? To work?

I live in a Red State. I'm scared.

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Abortions now, birth control next. (Original Post) Shell_Seas May 2019 OP
Don't Worry! ETStevens May 2019 #1
Yes. Her concern over things comfort me. Chipper Chat May 2019 #2
Time to shift attention to the so called 'moderates' RandiFan1290 May 2019 #3
Some of those frightening heartbeat bills Ohiogal May 2019 #4
Ohio passed a heartbeat bill and is now coming for birth control...all the women I warned Demsrule86 May 2019 #5
Young women have no idea LiberalBrooke May 2019 #6
So sorry to say, but you are 100% right. lark May 2019 #7
Yup. CanonRay May 2019 #8
Exactly! TomSlick May 2019 #10
Exactly...Roe was the first case to explicitly recognize a right to privacy Buckeyeblue May 2019 #15
I don't think that is strictly accurate. TomSlick May 2019 #16
You are absolutely correct Buckeyeblue May 2019 #17
You are right to be scared... Wounded Bear May 2019 #9
Are you white? Kahir165 May 2019 #12
Yes, I am, and your condescension is noted... Wounded Bear May 2019 #13
They've been working on contraception all along. They can walk & chew gum... Hekate May 2019 #11
Their long game, must not pay off. Nightmare appalachiablue May 2019 #14

Ohiogal

(31,965 posts)
4. Some of those frightening heartbeat bills
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:50 AM
May 2019

already have language in them to limit or eliminate contraception coverage from private insurance.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
5. Ohio passed a heartbeat bill and is now coming for birth control...all the women I warned
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:30 AM
May 2019

in16 who said that ROE could not be overturned are waking up...l think the GOP have overreached...may get the Senate as a result.

LiberalBrooke

(527 posts)
6. Young women have no idea
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:39 AM
May 2019

how it is to live without an abortion option. You are right that birth control is next.

lark

(23,085 posts)
7. So sorry to say, but you are 100% right.
Wed May 15, 2019, 09:39 AM
May 2019

Kavanaugh already leaked this strategy when he said "birth control and forms of abortion" should not be allowed. They will pass a version of a bill disallowing abortion nationally and this will also ban birth control, although it won't say that and they will pretend it wasn't intended, but shock - it truly is a kind of abortion so shouldn't be allowed. The only question is will they leave it up to the individual states or just disallow it - period. That's the only real question since I think we can expect Roberts to go along with the other rw Russian Repug SCOTUS justices.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
10. Exactly!
Wed May 15, 2019, 09:40 PM
May 2019

Roe is based on the finding of a right of privacy in Griswold. If Roe is overturned, it will spell the end of Griswold. At that point, states will be free to ban contraception.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
15. Exactly...Roe was the first case to explicitly recognize a right to privacy
Sun May 19, 2019, 08:20 AM
May 2019

The 4th amendment hints at a privacy that you have in your home or other possessions but Roe extended that to a physical right to privacy. If you have ever noticed, Republicans will go to lengths to talk about government overreach but they will never use the term right to privacy. Because if the did, the would be using the same language used in Roe.

The facts of Roe are about abortion, for sure. But the court found that there was an inherent right to privacy found in many of the constitutional amendments, and having an abortion fell within this right.

So if Roe goes, so does privacy. And then any number of crazy sex laws can be passed.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
16. I don't think that is strictly accurate.
Sun May 19, 2019, 02:44 PM
May 2019

The basis of the Griswold decision was the finding of a general right to privacy in the "penumbra" and "emanations" of the specific right grants of the First, Fourth, Fifth, Fifteenth, etc., Amendments. In Griswold, the right to privacy prohibited the State from outlawing the use of contraceptives by married folks.

The right to privacy from Griswold was the legal foundation of Roe. If SCOTUS now overturns Roe, it would seem to me that the right of privacy from Griswold is also at risk. The right-wing legal "scholars" have long argued that Griswold was wrongly decided. The argue that because there is no explicit right to privacy in the constitution, the Court in Griswold was rewriting the Constitution.

It would come as a shock to most citizens that they have no right to privacy but I worry that such may be where SCOTUS is going.

If SCOTUS abandons Griswold, then Lawrence v. Texas (striking "sodomy" laws) is also at risk. If Lawrence v. Texas goes down, Obergefell (same sex marriage) is also at risk. The potential damage is large.




Wounded Bear

(58,634 posts)
9. You are right to be scared...
Wed May 15, 2019, 10:01 AM
May 2019

It certainly will not stop here. They will not stop until they are stopped by good people voting with intelligence and integrity.

Wounded Bear

(58,634 posts)
13. Yes, I am, and your condescension is noted...
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:45 PM
May 2019


All I'm saying is that far too many people have withdrawn from the voting process, and until more people "of integrity" get back to voting, the minority faction of hard core Repubs will continue to "win."

If progressives of all races and types get out and vote, we will overwhelm them.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
11. They've been working on contraception all along. They can walk & chew gum...
Thu May 16, 2019, 01:45 AM
May 2019

...at the same time, as the saying goes.

Unlike Dems, some of whom who boast about their inability to multitask, fanatics are actually good at it when aimed at a single goal. They have a long view, one might even say eternal, since their god speaks directly to them.

Anyhow, the pro-birthers are nothing if not consistent: by a dreadful logic, they are also against birth control, and always have been.

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