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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:13 PM May 2019

Even if the Dems started impeachment tomorrow, that wouldn't satisfy some people

They will be second-guess, harp, snipe, blame, and nsist they know better than the people who are actually doing th work.

So I'm glad Pelosi, Nadler and their colleagues aren't falling for the "just open impeachment hearings and all will be well and right with the world" bait.

Because some people will never be satisfied since their sniping has little or.nothing to do with achieving the ends they claim and everything to do with trying to tear down Nancy Pelosi.

(Psst. It ain't gonna work cause Nancy's not skeerdayu)

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Even if the Dems started impeachment tomorrow, that wouldn't satisfy some people (Original Post) EffieBlack May 2019 OP
A lot of opinions are being offered by people who haven't a clue about how any of this works. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #1
Day two of the Pelosi onslaught. applegrove May 2019 #2
Not an accident or coincidence EffieBlack May 2019 #12
I'm with you Effie. applegrove May 2019 #13
I figure DU's saved more than a few walls Hortensis May 2019 #4
Exactly! EffieBlack May 2019 #5
+1 nt Trumpocalypse May 2019 #10
Some keyboard warriors do not seem to understand much of how impeachment, Pelosi, empedocles May 2019 #15
Show me 1 post where Speaker Pelosi watoos May 2019 #3
Here. We are in Day 2 of the new Pelosi bashing. applegrove May 2019 #7
OK one more watoos May 2019 #6
What a ridiculous post EffieBlack May 2019 #8
Seriously!! Actions speak louder than words... impeach the bastard now!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #16
Tell me how much longer we should wait until... Hotler May 2019 #9
I don't know EffieBlack May 2019 #11
Well bless your heart. nt Hotler May 2019 #14
Until yesterday!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #17
In other words, kacekwl May 2019 #18
Opinion is one thing EffieBlack May 2019 #19
Procedure means nothing to the criminals in charge. kacekwl May 2019 #20
But following procedure is one of the things that makes us different than them - EffieBlack May 2019 #22
But, if there are rules and only one side follows them Bettie May 2019 #23
Technically ... the word "impeachment" wont cause any documents to be handed over ... period. uponit7771 May 2019 #30
I'm anxious about the "no way to enforce the rules" part too, Bettie. Backseat Driver May 2019 #31
Different and or moral don't win the war. And yes kacekwl May 2019 #25
If you think morals are dispensable so that we can win, what are you fighting for? StarfishSaver May 2019 #26
I'm fighting for the Democratic republic known as the United States. kacekwl May 2019 #34
So you think the ends justify the means because your cause is just? Ok, but StarfishSaver May 2019 #38
Kick. This is truth. mcar May 2019 #21
We'll never know for sure unless it happens. nt Hotler May 2019 #24
Especially The Media Me. May 2019 #27
and then there are *some people* that actually care about the precedent this sets. Kurt V. May 2019 #28
Tomorrow is too late because it... JoeOtterbein May 2019 #29
Twitter is only a fraction of the party RandySF May 2019 #32
Maybe some... I'd be EXTREMELY satisfied!! What are we waiting for?! Do it, now!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #33
I'm pretty sure they'll do it EffieBlack May 2019 #35
I just call 'em like I see 'em... to me, impeachment is a no-brainer!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #36
I think it also is to House leadership EffieBlack May 2019 #37

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
1. A lot of opinions are being offered by people who haven't a clue about how any of this works.
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:21 PM
May 2019

It's easy to sit at the computer and froth at the mouth about how the Democrats, and Pelosi especially, all suck because Trump hasn't yet been escorted out of the White House with his coat over his head. The question at this point, I think, isn't whether impeachment should occur, but how and when. The devil is always in the details, and the details, which are not well-understood by some keyboard warriors, have to be done exactly right.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. I figure DU's saved more than a few walls
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:30 PM
May 2019

from being punched, but no guess how many computers have taken the blows.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
5. Exactly!
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:30 PM
May 2019

I haven't seen Pelosi or any House.member say impeachment shouldn't happen, yet numerous journalist and all manner of people here keep insisting that they have, even after being corrected for the umpteenth time.

I have a feeling there's more to their claims than meets the eye ...

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
15. Some keyboard warriors do not seem to understand much of how impeachment, Pelosi,
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:32 PM
May 2019

Mueller, or Committee Chairpersons, work.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
3. Show me 1 post where Speaker Pelosi
Fri May 17, 2019, 08:28 PM
May 2019

Has been bashed? Is Auntie Maxine a Pelosi basher?
Answer that question before I post some more.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
16. Seriously!! Actions speak louder than words... impeach the bastard now!!
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:37 PM
May 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

Hotler

(11,420 posts)
9. Tell me how much longer we should wait until...
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:00 PM
May 2019

the Blue wave stops playing nice and starts kicking some ass?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
11. I don't know
Fri May 17, 2019, 09:05 PM
May 2019

And neither do you.

In fact, neither one of us is an expert on how the Democratic leadership should proceed in this very complicated matter. The difference is that, I'm not pretending to be.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
18. In other words,
Fri May 17, 2019, 11:07 PM
May 2019

the folks in charge don't need or want your opinion. There are a lot of people out here who very likely know the pulse of the people a lot better than those in the bubble of D.C. . People have short attention spans and getting shorter every day.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
19. Opinion is one thing
Sun May 19, 2019, 09:54 AM
May 2019

Constant harping, bashing, second-guessing and “you’re doing it all wrong, do it like I tell you to do” from people who don’t have the first clue about law or congressional procedure and don’t they can learn anything from people who do is a different thing and needs to be ignored.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
20. Procedure means nothing to the criminals in charge.
Sun May 19, 2019, 10:10 AM
May 2019

After almost 2 years people want results. So far the only result people have heard is no collusion no obstruction. Not gulity time to move on. So while we follow procedure we lose interest and momentum.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
22. But following procedure is one of the things that makes us different than them -
Sun May 19, 2019, 10:37 AM
May 2019

you know, not criminals.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
23. But, if there are rules and only one side follows them
Sun May 19, 2019, 10:49 AM
May 2019

and the other side has the entire enforcement apparatus on their side, on their payroll...how do they ever get enforced?

Impeachment, no impeachment, at this point, I'm starting to think none of it actually matters anymore, because they own the courts and if they get a ruling against them that says "release x, y, and z to congress", they simply won't do it because there is no enforcement mechanism in place.

Bashing? Not really. Feeling that it is already all lost? Yes.

Maybe they are crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's so that they can make a case that they have done everything by rules, but in the end, I honestly doubt that even the word impeachment will cause any documentation to be turned over or anyone to defy Trump and his minions and testify.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
30. Technically ... the word "impeachment" wont cause any documents to be handed over ... period.
Sun May 19, 2019, 07:20 PM
May 2019

There's no greater importance given to impeachment than any other congressional investigation that ... COULD ... lead to impeachment.

Basically what Pelosi said the other day.

Backseat Driver

(4,390 posts)
31. I'm anxious about the "no way to enforce the rules" part too, Bettie.
Sun May 19, 2019, 07:27 PM
May 2019

I seem to recall that the Koch Bros wanted to begin a committee for Constitutional changes? Obviously, the AG wants a whole lot of rules to not apply to the person elected to fill the Presidency as well as those he's appointed to serve in his admin and GOP party-line reps in Congress as well, nor does anyone really HAVE TO follow traditions that were not considered needed by the framers back then. If the SCOTUS deck is also stacked purposefully, and our rules only depend on their biased subjective interpretations, just where will the People and the Congress, one of the co-equal branches, and their committee investigators go when what amounts to a dictator and his "hand" say they do not need to follow rules of any kind and treat rules like some arbitrary ambiguous traditions that need not be performed. It's been noted by media guests that we are in Constitutional Crisis now - how can the rule of law that supposedly states that no one is above the law, especially the POTUS, be enforced and protect us from His tyranny.

In addition, the electoral college, stands to even out representation and was thought to be a sort of fail-safe to the People choosing the wrong person to fulfill that all-important dynamic duo office, but states have mandated how voting goes under many instances of gerrymandering, a biased approach to voting, as if the fail-safe function doesn't exist as well. Are we saying that we as a People can actually vote to end our democratic form of government and the electoral college would uphold that vote???

What do I think? I believe the person holding the highest office in the land has not one shred of humanity's better qualities - NOT ONE! i certainly want to believe that Speaker Pelosi can guide our representatives toward what seems the only means of removing a person from that office who is not fit to serve BEFORE we need to fix what may become unfixable for America's future. If not, we may never get that chance again in many decades of lives.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
34. I'm fighting for the Democratic republic known as the United States.
Sun May 19, 2019, 08:49 PM
May 2019

If we lose the war the republic will be unrecognizable. They will make the laws, enforce the laws, determine who wins who loses. And guess what it won't be me or you. So if trying to kneecap them all now will help then so be it.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
38. So you think the ends justify the means because your cause is just? Ok, but
Sun May 19, 2019, 09:16 PM
May 2019

That's what the other side thinks, too. And they are just as certain of the rightness of their ends as you are of the rightness of yours.



Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
28. and then there are *some people* that actually care about the precedent this sets.
Sun May 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
May 2019

as far as pelosi, she has the record of an above average speaker. one of the best in history. a lot of ppl in history have been good at what they do right up to the moment they weren't

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
33. Maybe some... I'd be EXTREMELY satisfied!! What are we waiting for?! Do it, now!!
Sun May 19, 2019, 08:14 PM
May 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
35. I'm pretty sure they'll do it
Sun May 19, 2019, 08:54 PM
May 2019

I look forward to seeing you get off their backs and offering your full-throated support when they do.

However, you may be on the minority among the “do it now” crowd since I don’t think they’LL ever be satisfied with anything the Democratic leadership does.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
36. I just call 'em like I see 'em... to me, impeachment is a no-brainer!!
Sun May 19, 2019, 09:00 PM
May 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
37. I think it also is to House leadership
Sun May 19, 2019, 09:08 PM
May 2019

But strategy is critical if it’s to make any difference or constitutes more than just a short-term feel good exercise that has no real results in the long run.

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