Mon May 20, 2019, 05:19 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
Excerpts from Court decision Ruling Acctg Firm Must Hand Over Trump Financial Records
Judge Orders Accounting Firm to Hand Over Records to Congress
The decision to issue the subpoena came about after the President’s former lawyer and confidant,
Michael Cohen, testified before the House Oversight Committee that the President routinely would alter the estimated value of his assets and liabilities on financial statements, depending on the purpose for which a statement was needed. For instance, Cohen said that the President provided inflated financial statements to a bank to obtain a loan to purchase a National Football League franchise. But when it came time to calculate his real estate taxes, the President would deflate the value of certain assets. To support his accusations, Cohen produced financial statements from 2011, 2012, and 2013, at least two of which were prepared by Mazars. History has shown that congressionally-exposed criminal conduct by the President or a
high-ranking Executive Branch official can lead to legislation. The Senate Watergate Committee provides an apt example. As the Supreme Court observed in McGrain, the power to investigate is deeply
rooted in the nation’s history.... “From the earliest times in its history, the Congress has assiduously performed an ‘informing function’ of this nature.” Id. (citing James M. Landis, Constitutional Limitations on the Congressional Power of Investigation, 40 HARV. L. REV. 153, 168–194 (1926)).
It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct—past or present—even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry. On this score, history provides a useful guide. Cf. Tobin v. United States, 306 F.2d 270, 275–76 (D.C. Cir. 1962) (relying on historical practice to determine the scope of a congressional investigation). Twice in the last 50 years Congress has investigated a sitting President for alleged law violations, before initiating impeachment proceedings. It did so in 1973 by establishing the Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, better known as the Watergate Committee, and then did so again in 1995 by establishing the Special Committee to Investigate Whitewater Development Corporation and Related Matters.
VI. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, the court will enter judgment in favor of the House Oversight Committee and against Plaintiffs. The court denies Plaintiffs’ request for a stay pending appeal. A separate final order accompanies this Memorandum Opinion. Dated: May 20, 2019 Amit P. Mehta United States District Court Judge http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/05/20/mehta.opinion.in.trump.subpoena.case.pdf Note: Rep. Elijah Cummings, Chair of the House Oversight Committee, and his staff, are the bomb! His well written & detailed letters to the committee, outlining the reasons for the subpoena was used by the Court to determine that there were justifiable reasons for the subpoena.
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Honeycombe8 | May 2019 | OP |
50 Shades Of Blue | May 2019 | #1 | |
Frustratedlady | May 2019 | #2 | |
gratuitous | May 2019 | #8 | |
Frustratedlady | May 2019 | #9 | |
FirstLight | May 2019 | #3 | |
Honeycombe8 | May 2019 | #4 | |
FirstLight | May 2019 | #7 | |
Honeycombe8 | May 2019 | #10 | |
Chin music | May 2019 | #5 | |
Honeycombe8 | May 2019 | #6 |
Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:20 PM
50 Shades Of Blue (5,878 posts)
1. K & R!
Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:24 PM
Frustratedlady (15,037 posts)
2. Do these last two lines mean the judge already denied an appeal, or...
will they throw another appeal in?
The court denies Plaintiffs’ request for a stay pending appeal. A separate final order accompanies this Memorandum Opinion. |
Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #2)
Mon May 20, 2019, 06:02 PM
gratuitous (72,602 posts)
8. When a lower court makes an appealable order or ruling
When a lower court judge issues an order or ruling that can be appealed, the judge will often stay action on the order pending an appeal by the losing party. Judges often do that when there is a close question of the law and how it should be interpreted and applied, and if the losing party might suffer irreparable harm (such as the disclosure of privileged information vital to national security, for example). However, it is within the judge's power and discretion to have the order immediately enforced if the chances of a successful appeal are bad. In this instance, Judge Mehta has ruled that the law on this subject is so clear as to make the success of any appeal unlikely, and that there is no just reason to delay implementation of his ruling.
Trump can certainly appeal; the judge just doesn't think he has any chance of succeeding. |
Response to gratuitous (Reply #8)
Mon May 20, 2019, 06:06 PM
Frustratedlady (15,037 posts)
9. Super! The courts seem to be turning on Trump and ruling against him.
Maybe that will finally shut up Barr and others in their fight to protect Trump.
Thank you for the explanation. |
Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:25 PM
FirstLight (11,925 posts)
3. so when do they have to turn them over?
I'm at work, can't watch!!!!
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Response to FirstLight (Reply #3)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:38 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
4. I don't know. I looked & don't see a deadline.
It might be in the short "Final Order" that the Judge signs.
The subpoena was served in April. The Court says it is not going to delay the production of the records, while Trump appeals (altho Trump can & will appeal). So I would think the records would be turned over very soon. I'm sure someone in the news will get the answer to this. We HAVE to get the records before the appeal can stop the production. |
Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #4)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:53 PM
FirstLight (11,925 posts)
7. looks like the appeal was denied...
VI. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, the court will enter judgment in favor of the House Oversight Committee and against Plaintiffs. The court denies Plaintiffs’ request for a stay pending appeal. A separate final order accompanies this Memorandum Opinion. |
Response to FirstLight (Reply #7)
Mon May 20, 2019, 06:22 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
10. What that means...
What that means is that Trump said "If you rule against me, I'm going to appeal. So I ask you not to order the production of the records until my appeal has been ruled on by the upper court."
The Court's ruling is that it will not stop the production of the records, to wait on Trump's appeal. The records have to be produced under the subpoena. But Trump can still appeal. "Stay" means halt the production of records temporarily. |
Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:39 PM
Chin music (9,600 posts)
5. So the knurl'ed fickle finger of fate, reaches out from Cohens prison cell,
and taps the traitor on the shoulder eh? Nice recovery. Rough start, but, looks like Cohen STUCK the landing.
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Response to Chin music (Reply #5)
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:41 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)