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Sun May 26, 2019, 10:04 AM

Another disturbing take on the Anti-Abortion laws: Allowing religion to legislate medical procedures

It's a sign of a backwards, primitive culture when it elevates religious superstition above science. Dictating what procedures health care officials can, and cannot do, based on an invisible man in the sky is a sign that, in many parts of this country, we are a barbaric nation.

Medicine uses the scientific method, which relies upon years of study and observation. Established medical procedures are required to demonstrate its effectiveness through hypothesis testing and experimentation. It's not based some guy wearing a fancy hat in Italy nor is it based on some sweaty preacher spewing nonsense.

If the SCOTUS allows these laws to stand, it will be taken as a sign that religious beliefs must be given more legislative power than science.

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Reply Another disturbing take on the Anti-Abortion laws: Allowing religion to legislate medical procedures (Original post)
Yavin4 May 2019 OP
klook May 2019 #1
Bayard May 2019 #2
yaesu May 2019 #3
SammyWinstonJack May 2019 #5
Liberty Belle May 2019 #4
smirkymonkey May 2019 #6
keithbvadu2 May 2019 #7
sop May 2019 #8
barbtries May 2019 #12
Mosby May 2019 #15
Initech May 2019 #9
pazzyanne May 2019 #10
barbtries May 2019 #11
sop May 2019 #13
PufPuf23 May 2019 #14
Stainless May 2019 #16

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 10:45 AM

1. Being able to die a peaceful, natural death

could become a thing of the past if the fanatics who forced Terri Schiavo to stay “alive” get their way.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:48 AM

2. Well said!

"Allowing religion to legislate medical procedures".

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:03 PM

3. its the same with right to die with dignity, in most states religion makes people suffer through

killer cancer & other diseases, keeping them heavily medicated until their heart gives out. To me, religion is heartless, its evil, its probably the thing I hate the most in this world.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #3)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:12 PM

5. Could NOT agree more!

To me, religion is heartless, it's evil, it's probably the thing I hate most in this world.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:04 PM

4. Yes, imagine if....

Jehovah's Witnesses could ban blood transfusions for everyone. After all, it's their religious believe that this is a sin.

Jews and Muslims could ban implants of pig valves for people whose heart valves have failed, because their religious texts teach that pigs are unclean.

Catholics who believe birth control is a sin could ban it for everyone.

Hindus who believe cows are sacred could ban cow parts from being implanted.

Feel free to add to this list.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:15 PM

6. +1000

Religion should have no place in government whatsoever. Absolute separation between church and state!

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:24 PM

7. Some child molesters use the Bible to rationalize their actions.

Some child molesters use the Bible to rationalize their actions.

Freedom of religion?

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:28 PM

8. Republicans must all be Christian Scientists

Christian Science is a return to "primitive Christianity and its lost element of healing." It believes "disease is a mental error rather than physical disorder, and that the sick should be treated not by medicine, but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health."

Yeah, that must be why the GOP is trying to take away healthcare from millions of Americans.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:57 PM

12. interesting about jehovah's witnesses.

a friend's parents are JW, but suddenly when the father would die without dialysis, he got it. go figure. a lot like more than one catholic mother i knew back in the day who, upon finding out their teenage daughters were pregnant, demanded they get abortions. one got an abortion at 4 months (she was too afraid to tell her mother until then). the other was 5 months along (too afraid to tell her parents). She ended up delivering twins and suddenly they were the best thing that ever happened.

religion schmeligion.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:22 PM

15. jewish law allows pig implants and insulin.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:31 PM

9. Their ultimate goal is to get the church to be judge, jury and executioner.

And they are going to give us this vision whether we want it or not. We cannot let that happen.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:46 PM

10. "If the SCOTUS allows these laws to stand, it will be taken as a sign that religious beliefs

must be given more legislative power than science."

The trump administration has already lead us down this path. Lots of science deniers in the MAGA camp.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:53 PM

11. not only that.

it's not even biblical. it's just a way to control and punish women.

the bible is pretty clear that women are not equal to men though. so maybe that. hate to provide this link just because of the use of the term "pro life" which I will not use as a term to describe anti abortionists, but nonetheless here is some commentary.

https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:12 PM

13. Separation of Church and State means freedom FROM religion

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:22 PM

14. All the more reason for a strong interpretation of separation of church and state.

Far past time to quit subsidizing superstition by tax code and government grants (as for religious schools and religion sponsored social services).

The young people will lead.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:24 PM

16. "Firesign Theater" had this absurd idea many years ago......

"Light your faith and you can light the world. Set fire to the church of your choice."

It no longer seems that absurd in my old age.

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