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Sun May 26, 2019, 08:02 PM

Evidence Russia helped elect trump is staggering.

EVIDENCE RUSSIA TIPPED ELECTION FOR TRUMP ‘STAGGERING,’ SAYS FORMER U.S. INTEL CHIEF JAMES CLAPPER

To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense and credulity to the breaking point. Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians.”


https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-russia-tipped-election-trump-staggering-says-former-us-intel-chief-940086?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

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Reply Evidence Russia helped elect trump is staggering. (Original post)
onecaliberal May 2019 OP
bamagal62 May 2019 #1
rzemanfl May 2019 #14
saidsimplesimon May 2019 #57
leanforward May 2019 #55
dchill May 2019 #58
MBS May 2019 #2
onecaliberal May 2019 #4
MBS May 2019 #5
onecaliberal May 2019 #7
MBS May 2019 #10
onecaliberal May 2019 #13
MBS May 2019 #18
Haggis for Breakfast May 2019 #22
Grasswire2 May 2019 #3
EndGOPPropaganda May 2019 #6
onecaliberal May 2019 #9
EndGOPPropaganda May 2019 #11
onecaliberal May 2019 #15
EndGOPPropaganda May 2019 #8
Martin Eden May 2019 #38
BigmanPigman May 2019 #56
Gothmog May 2019 #12
lpbk2713 May 2019 #16
INdemo May 2019 #36
hughee99 May 2019 #17
onecaliberal May 2019 #20
hughee99 May 2019 #35
onecaliberal May 2019 #37
Botany May 2019 #19
onecaliberal May 2019 #21
Kaiserguy May 2019 #25
onecaliberal May 2019 #27
certainot May 2019 #31
Martin Eden May 2019 #39
Botany May 2019 #42
UTUSN May 2019 #23
triron May 2019 #24
Ilsa May 2019 #34
Nitram May 2019 #26
Martin Eden May 2019 #40
Nitram May 2019 #41
Initech May 2019 #28
onecaliberal May 2019 #29
ancianita May 2019 #49
smirkymonkey May 2019 #30
ancianita May 2019 #50
Initech May 2019 #51
ancianita May 2019 #54
ElementaryPenguin May 2019 #32
onecaliberal May 2019 #33
uponit7771 May 2019 #43
malaise May 2019 #44
aikoaiko May 2019 #45
duforsure May 2019 #46
karin_sj May 2019 #47
Blue Owl May 2019 #48
CrispyQ May 2019 #52
uponit7771 May 2019 #60
Hoyt May 2019 #53
scarletwoman May 2019 #59

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:06 PM

1. I knew...

I said this from the get-go...I was living in PA at the time. The votes were changed/hacked. I'm sure of it.

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #1)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:35 PM

14. I have to wash socks. BBL. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #14)

Mon May 27, 2019, 03:31 PM

57. rzemanfl, why are your

socks in need of constant washing? I'm puzzled by your frequent use of "wash socks"?

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #1)

Mon May 27, 2019, 01:08 PM

55. That's been my suspicion all along

The russians are trying everything to increase their ROI with that mob organization.

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #1)

Mon May 27, 2019, 05:57 PM

58. Ditto.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:08 PM

2. I heard his book talk last year

He's a level-headed, no-drama kind of guy. Which makes his fact-based conclusions even more compelling.

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Response to MBS (Reply #2)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:10 PM

4. He and others in the Intel community seem really concerned for our nations security.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:16 PM

5. They KNOW how bad the situation is.

If they're scared, I'm for sure scared.

At the end of Clapper's talk, a psychiatrist asked him, "I've heard that the CIA., like other intelligence agencies, draws psychological profiles of foreign leaders. If you were a foreign intelligence agent drawing a profile of Trump, how would you describe him?"

Clapper gave a little chuckle, then paused, noting that he'd already been on the receiving end of one of MF45's tweets earlier that day, and wasn't looking forward to getting more of them that day; and you could see he was trying to restrain himself from unloading on the audience exactly what he thought. He finally came up with this: "I'd focus on his unpredictability."

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Response to MBS (Reply #5)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:20 PM

7. They know dump is psychotic.

I wonder what they think of the Republican Party giving him a pass.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #7)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:29 PM

10. yup.

And I've wondered the same thing.
(Also, I wonder if they've got specific answers as to exactly why Barr, Graham, McConnell, and others have each gone all in to shamelessly enabling Trump, national security, democracy, and the Constitution be damned).

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Response to MBS (Reply #10)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:34 PM

13. There are Russian connections for each of them. They're owned.

What other reason would there be for them to literally go along with a plan to change the world order.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #13)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:44 PM

18. yeah.

What an unbelievable situation we're in.

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Response to MBS (Reply #10)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:01 PM

22. Because they are ALL whores beholden to Russia.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:09 PM

3. and that's why he is so defensive and offensive. He knows it too. nt

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:19 PM

6. Not just Trump. Senators: Toomey, Blunt, Johnson.

Top of ticket helps the Senate races too. And many Senate races were close.

All the GOP judicial confirmations are illegitimate. Not just the nominations, also the confirmation votes. Plus the tax cut bill - it was and is illegitimate. It was signed by an illegitimate president and approved in the Senate by illegitimate Senators.

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Response to EndGOPPropaganda (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:22 PM

9. Exactly. Since there are no constitutional remedies, I don't think they want to tell Americans.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #9)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:31 PM

11. There ARE constitutional remedies

Impeach Trump.
Impeach Toomey.
Impeach Blunt.
Impeach Johnson.

Impeach Rick Scott (who also stole his Senate seat via voter suppression).
Impeach DeSantis and Stacey Abrams' opponent.

Put the offenders who committed crimes in jail.

The Republicans are covering this up because they are afraid. We should not be afraid. We should be telling everyone we know that the president is illegimate and his judges need to be un-done.

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Response to EndGOPPropaganda (Reply #11)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:35 PM

15. I agree, I'm in the impeach now camp. Maybe we're moving towards it.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:21 PM

8. Yes. An esteemed political scientist confirms: Trump stole the election

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

How Russia Helped Swing the Election for Trump
A meticulous analysis of online activity during the 2016 campaign makes a powerful case that targeted cyberattacks by hackers and trolls were decisive.

By Jane MayerSeptember 24, 2018

Politicians may be too timid to explore the subject, but a new book from, of all places, Oxford University Press promises to be incendiary. “Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, dares to ask—and even attempts to answer—whether Russian meddling had a decisive impact in 2016. Jamieson offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.

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Response to EndGOPPropaganda (Reply #8)

Mon May 27, 2019, 06:19 AM

38. Russia delivered the presidency to Trump

And Trump is delivering for Putin.

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Response to EndGOPPropaganda (Reply #8)

Mon May 27, 2019, 02:54 PM

56. A foreign enemy attacked us basically.

And we are friends with them? Huh? Shouldn't we be punishing them? This is an act of war (cyber war). Hillary Clinton said so on her book tour and so have a zillion others. She is our rightful POTUS!

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:32 PM

12. trump is putin's puppet

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:41 PM

16. I never had a doubt.



I saw him on the Primary Debates and I said this guy is a joke. I knew the only way he could win would be by election fraud. And sure enough, that's what did it for him.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #16)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:14 PM

36. Why didnt Democrats do anything about this election fraud,election theft after

2000? This is what Democratic Leadership said back in 2000..."We will assure voters that this will never happen again" Well it happen again..in 2004 Now even when the Democrats regained the Senate Majority and the House majority in 2006 they did nothing to protect out elections from fraud and outright theft.
They allowed the Republicans to run all over us especially in the Senate..

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:41 PM

17. Why didn't they release this information after the election?

People need to see the proof of all the votes that changed as a result of Russian efforts and how they went about changing those votes.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #17)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:58 PM

20. I keep thinking about the look on Feinstein's face after a meeting early on.

She was visibly shaken. Grassly looked disturbed as well. I’m starting to think they’ve known for a while.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #20)

Sun May 26, 2019, 10:45 PM

35. If Clapper is saying this, they must have known for a while.

I can’t imagine he’s being kept “in the loop” since he left.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #35)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:28 PM

37. I'm sure clapper is in touch with people, but yeah I think they've known.

We haven’t heard a peep about the counter intelligence investigation.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 08:48 PM

19. 251 PROVEN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

251 PROVEN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

Call it treason, conspiracy, collusion, fraud, cheating, or the rat fucking of America but
the proof is out there and it is overwhelming.

We need to impeach his ass and then let the republicans in the senate go ahead and stand
shoulder to shoulder with that traitor.

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:00 PM

21. Seems like whatever it is, is so big they're afraid to tell the country.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #21)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:25 PM

25. They are very afraid

to tell America. The GOP would not see power again for a long time and they know it and to them power is everything. As for the media it knows that if the GOP goes down in flames so does it profit. With the GOP dead there is very little need for our side to spend big money on elections. The rich of course don't want the cat let out of the bag the last thing they want is us in power long term.

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Response to Kaiserguy (Reply #25)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:29 PM

27. I've been wondering how the Butina and NRA piece fits in all of this?

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:39 PM

31. kremlin's been using talk radio for at least a decade - all this shit piggybacks decades

of talk radio repetition and the russians figured out a decade ago how to piggyback it.

more valuable than compromising con senators is to compromise the talk radio blowhard they're all afraid to contradict

meanwhile the mueller report shows 5 refs to hannity and then redacts his name between graff and hawker due to "harm to ongoing matter"

and who fed limbaugh the material he used to create the predicate for the 'deeep state coup' that's going to get tto the point where the cons are going to say "if you bring in don jr we're going to bring in barack obama"

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Mon May 27, 2019, 06:22 AM

39. Isn't that typical for a presidential campaign?

Nothing to see here folks!

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #39)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:35 AM

42. From Clapper's piece sited in the O.P.

"Surprising even themselves, they swung the election to a Trump win. To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense and credulity to the breaking point. Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians.”

The republicans and the PTB put back doors into our voting systems that allowed for the tampering of the
data w/out leaving any "footprints" and Russia took full advantage of those designed in weak spots. However
Russia could not have done this without inside help so Paul Manafort, Brad Parscale, and the Mercers
take a bow.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:07 PM

23. K&R

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:25 PM

24. Yes if 'influenced' includes decided by election engineering (i.e. manipulation of cast votes).

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Response to triron (Reply #24)

Sun May 26, 2019, 10:43 PM

34. Yep, that's what I'm thinking.

Flipping a half dozen votes in each precinct probably did the trick.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:28 PM

26. That IS the big question, beyond the obviously dangerous fact that the Russians TRIED to interfere

in the election to help trump beat Clinton. It's why Trump rally hates the topic. If the Russians really swung the election for Trump, it means his entire presidency is illegitimate, and the Republican-majority Congress failed in their sworn duty to protect the country from foreign interference. Treason most foul!

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Response to Nitram (Reply #26)

Mon May 27, 2019, 06:24 AM

40. Another BIG question:

WHY did Putin want Trump in the White House?

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #40)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:10 AM

41. Easy. Trump is easy to manipulate because he admires strong authoritarian men, and is like

putty in the hands of someone like Putin. Putin probably remind him of his Daddy, who he feared and never stopped trying to impress. Trump was also deeply in debt and had reached a point where banks would no longer lend to him. Perfect target for an ex-KGB officer.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:30 PM

28. Mitch McConnell's net worth increased by $25 million at the end of 2015.

Who paid him? And for what purpose?

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Response to Initech (Reply #28)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:33 PM

29. I read that on twitter, very good questions. I love to hear the answers.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #29)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:23 PM

49. Putin's calculation was that Republican leaders like McConnell would not defend their Democratic

colleagues from foreign cyberattack. The Republicans, as hyperpartisans, would become the GRU and FSB means for inserting Putin's asset into the presidency.

In September, McConnell listened to the heads of American intel agencies report on the Russian cyberinsurgency. He clearly expressed his doubts as to their veracity.

Intel agencies said, in statements later made public, "Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Sec. Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

McConnell made it known to Obama and his party that Republicans would treat the defense of the US from Russian cyberwar as an effort to help Hillary Clinton. At that point, Russia had been at work in the US for more than a year, setting up social media accounts, etc. After McConnell categorized the Russian attack as partisan politics, Putin's "active measures" expanded.

The Russian bot offensive took off. It's been an eye opener to find out who had more influence over the Republican Party -- its human leaders or Russian robots. One example is Texas. The fake account posing as the Texas Republicans on Facebook had more members than the actual Republican Party of Texas.

For Republicans, it's been Win At Any Cost. The desire for power and money turned Republicans from portraying Russia as a national security threat to being the secret ally that Paul Ryan said should be kept "in the family."

Their Win At All Cost" formula just followed Putin's playbook. Now even Republican voters see the cost.

They feel trapped, however, and will probably die on that hill.

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Response to Initech (Reply #28)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:35 PM

30. K&R

I so want this bastard out of office.

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Response to Initech (Reply #28)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:31 PM

50. Wikipedia says that he got a personal gift from his father-in-law, James Chao.

As you know, 45 made McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, secretary of transportation, which can't hurt her father's business.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #50)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:32 PM

51. Ah, some good old fashioned quid pro quo?

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Response to Initech (Reply #51)

Mon May 27, 2019, 01:05 PM

54. Kinda. But since he lives in China (or somewhere) his family gift is just a gift, I think. The quid

quo pro part is 45's gift to McConnell for continued help with Putie's agenda. Elaine's quid pro quo part is helping dad and family get richer.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:59 PM

32. Cellular modems are used to transmit county voting results...

Which means routers on the internet are involved - and the Russians are proficient at hacking these - allowing them to either change the voting results, or reach into the machines and use malware to alter official results.

Very hard to detect when it's done - and certainly not something analyzed and investigated by the Mueller probe.

Bear in mind that 23 of 25 state exit polls for the 2016 Presidential election skewed in favor of Trump over the margin of error - which theoretically has the same odds as flipping a coin and getting heads 23 out of 25 times - pretty astronomical indeed.

Find exactly how it could have been done (and could easily be done again) here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/magazine/the-myth-of-the-hacker-proof-voting-machine.html

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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #32)

Sun May 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

33. There is nothing untouched by corruption. Nothing.

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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #32)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:50 AM

43. This should be the first to go !! There's little reason to believe 2020 is going to be free and fair

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:11 AM

44. Many of us knew that on election night/the morning after

in 2016.

I'm going to my grave knowing that there was a coup.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:16 AM

45. To an extent we have to be better prepared for this new normal.


For years DU talked about bot and troll farms and misinformation as a problem for our elections.

I mostly expected these influences from Koch/Mercer types and not the Russians.

But Russians showed bad actors how to do this and we have to be prepared to deal with it.

I don't have any answers, but our problem is much larger than just the Russians.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:31 AM

46. trump's a illegitimate president

Just like he's a illegitimate business man. He's a career criminal because he wasn't smart enough to be successful unless he was corrupt. He was compromised because he's probably into debt to putin and russians probably into the billions, and has no way out of it with putin having that and personal activities he has using to blackmail him with. Just now a matter of time before its all exposed on trump, and many others involved.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:59 AM

47. This is really depressing

The article is from September of last year and here we are, wondering whether or not the orange idiot will be re-elected in 2020. I really thought he'd be on his way out after the release of the Mueller report.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:03 PM

48. Mueller?... Mueller?...

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:54 PM

52. 40% of our fellow citizens are A-OK with this as long as it's their side with a boot on our neck.

They only want a just & fair system when the dems are in control. When the repubs are at the helm, it's an all out power grab, fuck the rules & who cares who you have to screw to get it. I have family/friends who are just fine with that, but would whine louder than all the noise in the universe if our side pulled that shit. Their blatant hypocrisy has worn me down to the point I don't communicate or associate with them anymore.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #52)

Mon May 27, 2019, 07:54 PM

60. 40% have been told not to believe it in a cult like fassion, without the fairness doctrine a ...

... political party can attach themselves to major outlets like FAUX.

We need something to detach them

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 01:04 PM

53. Unless someone can tie trump to paying the Ruskies, it just doesn't matter at this point.

Everyone knows Russian lies helped trump, but a lot of folks just don't care.

Everyone knows Comey's announcement a week or so before the election helped trump. Everyone knows supposed Democrats that decided to vote directly or indirectly for trump because they were ticked about their candidate losing in the primaries, helped trump.

None of that matters at this point unless someone has a video of trump -- or one of his family or very close advisors -- paying Putin or other Russians for help. Even if votes were changed -- which I doubt -- we still need proof trump was directly involved for enough GOPers to take notice.

We need to be ready to counter whatever happens in 2020.

Kerry lost in 2004, because we couldn't counter the GOPer Swiftboaters and Bin Laden's video threat the Friday before the election.

We should have been prepared to counter Comey's announcement. We should have been ready to counter voter protests over a losing primary candidate. We should have countered Russian lies.

Obviously, we need to beef up voter security for 2020, but blaming all this on Russians -- without direct evidence trump was involved -- isn't going to get us anywhere. Even going after trump for obstruction of Muellers' investigation is going to be tough after Mueller's wishy/washy report. Hope's that trump gets indicted after he leaves office, doesn't really help us either in 2020.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 07:00 PM

59. Interesting article, but it's from 2018. A little over one year ago.

It would be a lot more impressive if Newsweek published something like this now - post-Mueller report.

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