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Mon May 27, 2019, 07:27 AM

Navy Pilots Report Seeing Unidentified Flying Objects Over East Coast: NYT



https://www.thedailybeast.com/navy-pilots-report-seeing-unidentified-flying-objects-over-east-coast-nyt?ref=home

Navy Pilots Report Seeing Unidentified Flying Objects Over East Coast: NYT
Audrey McNamara


For nearly a year, U.S. Navy pilots flying high over the East Coast reported that they repeatedly saw aircraft with no visible engine reaching hypersonic speeds—a type of flying object they could not readily identify, the New York Times reports. The pilots began noticing the objects—which appeared like white ovals—after their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. Some of the sightings were videotaped. What stands out most to the pilots is that the video shows objects accelerating to hypersonic speed, making sudden stops and instantaneous turns—a jolting flight path that would be impossible for a human crew to achieve. “Speed doesn’t kill you. Stopping does. Or acceleration,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, a pilot who reported his sightings to the Pentagon and Congress.

There are earthly explanations for the footage, including “bugs in the code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections, neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight” according to Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at Harvard. But the aircraft did get the attention of the Navy, which earlier this year sent out new classified guidance for how to report what the military calls “unexplained aerial phenomena,” or, the objects formerly known as UFOs. The sightings were also reported to the Pentagon’s shadowy Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Luis Elizondo, a military intelligence official who ran the program until he resigned in 2017, called the sightings “a striking series of incidents.”

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babylonsister May 2019 OP
jpak May 2019 #1
yonder May 2019 #33
Kid Berwyn May 2019 #2
Ilsa May 2019 #14
dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #36
Ilsa May 2019 #44
Kid Berwyn May 2019 #61
Ilsa May 2019 #64
triron May 2019 #21
Kid Berwyn May 2019 #62
edhopper May 2019 #3
colorado_ufo May 2019 #9
Name removed May 2019 #70
trev May 2019 #53
PJMcK May 2019 #4
dalton99a May 2019 #13
ooky May 2019 #25
DesertRat May 2019 #23
yaesu May 2019 #5
dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #24
lpbk2713 May 2019 #6
ProudLib72 May 2019 #7
Salviati May 2019 #10
Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #28
Salviati May 2019 #31
tymorial May 2019 #12
ProudLib72 May 2019 #17
tymorial May 2019 #18
ProudLib72 May 2019 #34
Freelancer May 2019 #26
ProudLib72 May 2019 #35
Freelancer May 2019 #48
lunatica May 2019 #40
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Progressive dog May 2019 #8
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 07:30 AM

1. They're here!

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Response to jpak (Reply #1)

Mon May 27, 2019, 02:25 PM

33. When Gort shows up, "Klaatu barada nikto" a couple of times should do the trick.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 08:00 AM

2. Fascinating subject that defies our current understanding.

Very glad to know USN is giving the reports due consideration to gain knowledge.



US Navy introducing guidelines for pilots to report UFO sightings

Barbara Starr-Profile-Image
By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent
Updated 2:34 PM ET, Wed April 24, 2019

Washington (CNN)Navy pilots who think they may have seen unidentified flying objects will now have a detailed means of reporting unexplainable events so the military can keep track of what may, or may not, be happening.

"The Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities," they said in a statement.

"A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft," the statement added.

The Navy does not think that aliens have been flying in US airspace, one Navy official told CNN. But there have been "a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," according to the statement.

"These kinds on incursions can be both a security risk and pose a safety hazard for both Navy and Air Force aviation. For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the USAF takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report."

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/politics/us-navy-ufo-guidelines/index.html



As J. Allen Hynek wrote after his USAF Blue Book days: we don’t have a UFO to study; all we have are UFO reports. Let’s make use of the information to learn.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #2)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:11 AM

14. I hope Dotard doesn't start a panic.

No telling what could happen if he starts tweeting about it.

The show based on Hynek's work was intriguing and fun to watch. Looking forward to the next season.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #14)

Mon May 27, 2019, 03:27 PM

36. I WANT trump to tweet about flying saucers and aliens


can you imagine what people would think if he did?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #36)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:52 PM

44. I'm fine with him showing how batshit crazy he is.

I just don't want to see a panic that he could create.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #14)

Tue May 28, 2019, 07:14 PM

61. Thank you for the heads-up.

Regarding the phenomenon: you might enjoy the work of Jacques Valle. He is the computer scientist who applied computers to the analysis of UFO reports while a doctoral student at Northwestern, where he worked with Dr. Hynek. All of their books on the subject are worthy reads. Vallee’s “Messengers of Deception” discusses how UFO sightings and cults can be manipulated by governments, individuals and, evidently, the intelligence behind whatever it is that people experience as UFOs.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #61)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:08 PM

64. Thank you! I'll look for that! nt

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #2)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:47 AM

21. This has been happening throughout recorded history.

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Response to triron (Reply #21)

Tue May 28, 2019, 07:15 PM

62. Passport to Magonia


http://www.autodidactproject.org/other/vallee_magonia.html



Three men and a woman, actually. They fell from the sky, it would seem, in the vicinity of Lyon in what’s now eastern France, early in the ninth century. They came from a place called Magonia.

So the local mob believed, as they prepared to stone them to death.

We have the story from Agobard, Archbishop of Lyon (c. 779-840), in a treatise directed against “the absurd opinion of the common folk concerning hail and thunder.” Agobard prided himself on his enlightenment; Scripture, not superstition, was for him the touchstone of truth. Here’s the story he tells, as translated by W. J. Lewis for the Internet Medieval Sourcebook:

“But we have seen and heard of many people overcome with so much foolishness, made crazy by so much stupidity, that they believe and say that there is a certain region, which is called Magonia, from which ships come in the clouds. In these ships the crops that fell because of hail and were lost in storms are carried back into that region; evidently these aerial sailors make a payment to the storm-makers, and take the grain and other crops. Among those so blinded with profound stupidity that they believe these things could happen we have seen many people in a kind of meeting, exhibiting four captives, three men and one woman, as if they had fallen from these very ships. As I have said, they exhibited these four, who had been chained up for some days, with such a meeting finally assembling in our presence, as if these captives ought to be stoned. But when truth had prevailed, however, after much argument, the people who had exhibited the captives, in accordance with the prophecy (Jeremiah 2:26) ‘were confounded … as the thief is confounded when he is taken.’ ”

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https://www.davidhalperin.net/the-mystery-men-of-magonia/

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 08:32 AM

3. but


There are earthly explanations for the footage, including “bugs in the code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections, neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight”


As there usually are.

UFOs are by definition unidentified. They do not equal aliens.
There is zero evidence for that.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #3)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:51 AM

9. Zero evidence?

Hypersonic speed. 90 degree turns. Complete stops and sudden acceleration to hypersonic speed.

I would think this requires further investigation.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #3)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:37 PM

53. Actually, there's lots of evidence for it.

I've been studying UFOs since 1969. There are many reported instances that to this day cannot be explained.

Skepticism is fine--even necessary--but outright dismissal is tantamount to self-denial.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:40 AM

4. Unidentified Flying Objects

By the very definition of the words, one does not know what they've seen when they report a UFO.

A UFO does not mean extra-terrestrials are visiting Earth.

Neil deGrasse Tyson explains this phenomenon better than I:

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #4)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

13. +1. Incidentally, Russians love UFOs

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #13)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:33 PM

25. So does Fox News.

They often do a segment on UFO's when they are ignoring big stories that they don't want their audience to hear.

Last week, I tuned into "The Five" out of curiosity to see how they were spinning the court decisions detrimental to Trump. Their talking points for that hour were:

Trump vs Pelosi (favorable of course to Trump)
Release of the American Taliban prisoner
Michel Avenatti's legal issues
"Leftist Policies" causing rotting garbage and rats in American cities
... and finally, wrapped it up with "the existence of UFO's

Never a word about those court decisions though.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #4)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:31 PM

23. This

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:41 AM

5. The prevalence of drones makes it almost impossible to ferret out real UFO sightings

I know these sightings weren't acting like drones but I did hear on my police scanner last night people report two objects moving slowly together with lights across their rural area, yes, these reports were brushed off as drones without investigating.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #5)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:33 PM

24. I've never reported what I have seen for that exact reason.


I suspect the same of some other sighters. The military has made it abundantly clear for decades they want strange sightings and occurrences ignored.

I also saw this, in 1957, but....
Until the 1960s, most scientists treated reports of ball lightning skeptically, despite numerous accounts from around the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

"Proven by science" leaves out a lot of stuff humans know they have experienced.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:43 AM

6. They flew over Washington, DC.



"Return to mother ship. There is no intelligent life on this planet."

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:46 AM

7. Any civilization advanced enough to achieve interstellar travel

is not going to take much interest in us unless they find our planet has resources valuable to them. My working hypothesis is that Earth does have resources the aliens deem valuable, but the aliens are benevolent. They are just waiting for us to kill each other off. Ergo, the uptick in UFO sightings during the Cold War...

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:02 AM

10. Why would a starfaring civilization want resources trapped all the way down a gravity well...

... when there are tons a lot easier for the taking in asteroid belts and the like. The only reason one would need planetary based resources is sheer quantity if you were doing Dyson sphere level engineering, but we would have seen evidence of such civilizations in our neighborhood if we were likely to be visited by such.

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Response to Salviati (Reply #10)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:50 PM

28. How about FOOD? All organisms need nutrition.

From personal accounts of encounters, there is more than one "type", or species of alien. Some are benevolent, some are not. We know about "cattle mutilations" in which parts/organs of livestock are cut out with uncanny precision while in the field. We know that thousands of people disappear with no signs of struggle, no symptoms of aberrant behavior, and never are seen again, with no bodily remains ever found.

It's all fairly spooky. But dismissing accounts from credible sources doesn't do justice to the topic.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #28)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:54 PM

31. It would be more energy efficient to grow your own food in space.

Plus, what kind of aliens are going to be able to process biological matter from Earths tree of life as nutrition? It's more likely that we'd be biologically incomparable. The notion that they'd be coming down to earth for prime cuts of steak is laughable.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:04 AM

12. Cultural anthropology perhaps

The scientific community often proposes your hypothesis as the likely if not only reason extraterrestrials would visit us. Aliens sufficiently advanced to achieve Interstellar travel would only seek resources. Yet, do we not study native tribes and is our technology not vastly superior compared to uncontacted peoples?

Why is it that aliens could not be anthropologists looking to study the society and culture of intelligent alien life?

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Response to tymorial (Reply #12)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:30 AM

17. It very well could be

I was being a little sarcastic about the resources. That's what all the sci fi movies posit as the reason for alien invasion.

I don't understand why everyone is in such disbelief at the UFOs' high speed maneuvering capabilities. They are unmanned. Simple as that. NASA sends out all kinds of unmanned probes into space because they know it's easier, cheaper, and less risky. Why wouldn't aliens do the same?

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #17)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:36 AM

18. I know! Its always the resources right? Lol

Call me Mulder but I want to believe there is intelligent life out there. Earth being the only planet able to support life/intelligent life would be a tremendous disappointment. Especially considering what we have done to this planet.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #18)

Mon May 27, 2019, 02:33 PM

34. I maintain that the belief we are alone in the universe is akin

to the belief that the Earth is the center of our solar system. It's simply preposterous. Then again, Copernicus had the odds stacked against him...

The first notable to move against Copernicanism was the Magister of the Holy Palace (i.e., the Catholic Church's chief censor), Dominican Bartolomeo Spina, who "expressed a desire to stamp out the Copernican doctrine". But with Spina's death in 1546, his cause fell to his friend, the well known theologian-astronomer, the Dominican Giovanni Maria Tolosani of the Convent of St. Mark in Florence. Tolosani had written a treatise on reforming the calendar (in which astronomy would play a large role) and had attended the Fifth Lateran Council (1512–1517) to discuss the matter. He had obtained a copy of De Revolutionibus in 1544. His denunciation of Copernicanism was written a year later, in 1545, in an appendix to his unpublished work, On the Truth of Sacred Scripture.

Emulating the rationalistic style of Thomas Aquinas, Tolosani sought to refute Copernicanism by philosophical argument. Copernicanism was absurd, according to Tolosani, because it was scientifically unproven and unfounded. First, Copernicus had assumed the motion of the Earth but offered no physical theory whereby one would deduce this motion. (No one realized that the investigation into Copernicanism would result in a rethinking of the entire field of physics.) Second, Tolosani charged that Copernicus's thought process was backwards. He held that Copernicus had come up with his idea and then sought phenomena that would support it, rather than observing phenomena and deducing from them the idea of what caused them. In this, Tolosani was linking Copernicus's mathematical equations with the practices of the Pythagoreans (whom Aristotle had made arguments against, which were later picked up by Thomas Aquinas). It was argued that mathematical numbers were a mere product of the intellect without any physical reality, and as such could not provide physical causes in the investigation of nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus


I say the probability of alien life is so high as to be a certainty, but I have no physical proof. I do, however, have information from the Kepler probe and some data from Arecibo.

Check out this sampling from 6 years of research at Arecibo: http://phl.upr.edu/projects/habitable-exoplanets-catalog

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Response to Freelancer (Reply #26)

Mon May 27, 2019, 02:38 PM

35. I say the prime directive is just as much about protecting themselves

as influencing other civilizations. This plus the issue of manned interstellar travel makes me think that aliens would resort to probes instead of just launching themselves into deep space.

I also think we are so inferior that we are well safe of the Borg. Probably for the best, although the Rump's base seem to behave somewhat like the Borg, don't they? Single minded, ceaseless, hive 'intelligence'.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:19 PM

40. They may just want to serve man

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Response to lunatica (Reply #40)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:26 PM

41. You know what? I'm not even sure if I ever saw that episode

But I know it from the Simpson's adaptation.


I probably did see way back when, just forgot.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #41)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:31 PM

43. You can probably google a YouTube video.

The tall aliens come to earth and proclaim they are there to serve man and they give humans a book. Bunches of humans love the idea so they board alien ships. The book is translated and they find out it’s a cookbook.

The photograph is the scene where the woman is trying to get her man friend to not board the alien’s spaceship. The alien holds her back as she screams to her friend that it’s a cookbook.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:49 AM

8. Maybe the UFO's flew too fast

for that old 1980's radar to spot them.
The video is of the computer screen and the computer was displaying what it calculated from the IR sensors. There might not have been a real object being tracked.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #8)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:53 PM

30. UFOs were spotted with radar from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.

That it took an "upgrade" to see them recently is nonsense.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #30)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:11 PM

38. That was the point.

Calling a pip on a computer screen a UFO is pretty close to nonsense. They should have called it an unidentified pixel path.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

11. I hope they take Trumpyboy back and his alien family!

Good riddance!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:23 AM

16. giant ant overlords...........

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:39 AM

19. The questions surrounding the possibility of intelligent alien

life, and whether or not we have been visited in the past and present continues to be fascinating. It seems the pinnacle of human hubris to assume we have some sort of monopoly on technology and universal exploration. The shock to our social, political and religious systems will be worldwide if and when we finally get answers that confirm our own ancient tribal oral histories. Hope l am still around then.

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Response to Enoki33 (Reply #19)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:19 PM

22. Same here.

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Response to Enoki33 (Reply #19)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:46 PM

27. mathematics is universal

It's very likely that there is intelligent life in the universe besides us, but faster than light travel, very unlikely above the quantum level.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #27)

Tue May 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

49. Never say never

150 years ago it was "impossible" man would ever be able to fly a heavier than air craft

100 years ago it was said going to the moon was "impossible"

50 years ago it was "impossible" for a person to ever have a home computer

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Response to Baclava (Reply #49)

Tue May 28, 2019, 03:19 PM

56. +1

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 10:46 AM

20. It could hve been Mike Pence's hair piece that got away from him ?

 

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Mon May 27, 2019, 12:52 PM

29. ...




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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 01:00 PM

32. The Foo Fighters are not a new phenomenon

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 03:54 PM

37. Prototypes of emerging stealth military weapons?

"Under the Dome", a decent book, a lousy Hollywood production. Not his number one, but a long time fan of Stephen King.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #37)

Tue May 28, 2019, 04:26 PM

57. That was true in the 1970s

when silent, black triangular craft were seen all over the country. The military criticized Jimmy Carter for making it public. But according to this article, the Navy is instructing its pilots to report sightings. Why would they do that if these are highly classified experimental aircraft--ie, something the military knows about?

BTW, I've seen a Stealth Bomber in action, at Scott AFB back in the 1990s. It flew at 500 feet above the landing field. The day was cloudy, and although the announcer kept telling us where the plane was coming from, none of us could see it. Suddenly it just appeared out of the clouds and drifted silently past us. I remember thinking that I could understand why people thought it was an alien spacecraft.

Quite awesome.

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Response to trev (Reply #57)

Wed May 29, 2019, 10:57 AM

65. Scott AFB, completed

a Civil Air Patrol "Boot Camp" for cadet leaders there. After that, I began to actively discourage my peers who planned to volunteer for the real thing.

On topic, could it be that the Navy intelligence brass suspects a foreign adversary of attempts to invade US airspace? Remember the Niger "Yellow Cake" false flags in 2001 used by GWB to justify an invasion of Iraq. If I recall correctly, John Bolton was connected to this false flag operation.


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/17/rand-paul/rand-paul-says-john-bolton-still-thinks-iraq-war-w/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/john-bolton-hawk-iran-war-national-security-adviser

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/24/after-15-years-of-disaster-in-iraq-bomb-crazed-loon-john-bolton-is-back-and-we-deserve-him/

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #65)

Wed May 29, 2019, 12:02 PM

68. That is certainly a possibility.

But then why would they make their internal orders public? This is the thing that causes me suspicion.

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Response to trev (Reply #68)

Wed May 29, 2019, 12:08 PM

69. Is Goulianni in charge of

hawking the Space Force funding desired by the Cheato?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:14 PM

39. They will take a good look at this planet, and then,,

will get the hell out of here. Too many nutcakes here. Look...one of the greatest countries on the planet is run by a total nut cake.. Outta here..for good......

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 04:29 PM

42. They are upgrading equipment from the 80s???

I see they didn't upgrade all their reasons why it wasn't a UFO.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 09:39 PM

45. WHY does this story keep coming back?

Why this one and not others?

Why now?

wtf!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 11:20 PM

46. Oh, well...it's the Vogons. Anybody seen my towel?

But seriously, they really just heard about Trump's new Space Force and decided to be proactive and surrender in advance.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 11:32 PM

47. Oh, great.

And look who's president to deal with them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:21 PM

50. So...we know they are coming here...the question is how

The Government’s Secret UFO Program Funded Research on Wormholes and Extra Dimensions

Documents released by the Department of Defense reveal some of what its infamous Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was working on.

The Department of Defense had not publicly acknowledged the program’s existence until it was revealed by media reports.

The first hints about the program’s existence can be credited to Luis Elizondo, a military intelligence official who managed the operation for seven years. When Elizondo resigned, he requested that footage of UFO encounters with fighter jets be made public—videos that were subsequently published by the New York Times and the Washington Post.

The agency claims the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program shut down due to a lack of funding, though Elizondo said it continued to investigate UFO sightings.

In a 2009 Pentagon briefing summary, the program’s then-director stated that “what was considered science fiction is now science fact.”

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Response to Baclava (Reply #50)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:34 PM

52. "Concepts for Extracting Energy from the Quantum Vacuum"

Naturally. Inevitably.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #52)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:07 PM

63. All the "scientific mainstream thought" of today will be laughed at in 100 years...it never fails

18 Science Facts You Believed In The 1990s That Are Now Totally Wrong

https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashaumer/science-facts-you-might-have-believed-in-the-90s

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The top 10 most spectacularly wrong widely held scientific theories

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:27 PM

51. Alien: Take me to your leader.

Earthling (takes him to the WH)

Alien: Scotty, beam me the hell outta here!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:53 PM

54. These are Naval aviators, the creme de la creme

 

Their eyewitness accounts should not be readily dismissed by people reacting to headline without reading the content. A few months ago USS Nimitz aviators were buzzed by unidentified aircraft on the South China Sea, which is what a UFO is. The aircrafts were also recorded by Aeigis radar in Navy cruisers.

The military is now collecting data on these unidentified aircraft. No judgment is being made on their origins. This is reality, not an X-Files episode.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 01:00 PM

55. No UFO thread can be a real UFO thread without Sorcha Faal...nt

Sid

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 05:21 PM

58. Probably testing new top secret drones...

...remember reading somewhere that the "UFO" fanaticism was not only liked by our secret development programs, but also encouraged. It gave them cover. Sometime back, a stealth blimp was created and they flew it over Phoenix. Nothing on the radar, but the blimps lights were on, freaking people out. Seemed to be a last hurrah of a project they deemed not usable.

There is no doubt alien life, at minimum at the microbe level. Problem is, what are the chances they evolve enough to reach our standard of civilization?

Remember, there was another type(s) of species that dominated our planet prior to us, until a meteor took them out. Our moon shields us from most rocks from space decimating us, but not all.

Then of course, they have to get through the process of not killing each other to extinction as we almost/yet to see. Or wipe out their own planet due to pollution, over population, etc.

And to top that all off, if they survive all this, they have to develop far enough the technology to achieve light speed and faster than light speed at a minimal energy and resource cost. And if they achieve that....

Then they also have developed the technology to be completely invisible to our technology....and they certainly wouldn't send their own people, if per chance one of their ships crashes our planet, the various viruses, diseases, etc. could cause an extinction wide event, likewise, the survivors would have the same problem. So, send sterilized probes instead. Hence, if they are around, we have no way to detect them via technology or by sight.

If they are colonizing anything, its worlds in their immediate system...even if they were inhabitable, they could "terra-from" them to their liking. We already have primitive plans to terra-form Mars....and Venus probably isn't too far away.

And they sure is hell are not going to contact us while were divided into warring tribes. They'll wait until we get our shit together....or if we get our shit together.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #58)

Tue May 28, 2019, 06:38 PM

59. who is? our "administration"s buddies from Moscow?

maybe some of them...would not be at all surprised if they were bolder nowadays about encroaching U.S. airspace

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Response to anarch (Reply #59)

Tue May 28, 2019, 07:12 PM

60. It's possible.

We always seem to under estimate the capabilities of a potential adversary...and it's definitely got us into trouble. Seems like there is a built in bias in these estimates.

Pet projects seem to always get approved over what the military actually requested.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 11:23 AM

66. Great news!

Maybe the UFO's will take all the anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO goons, and climate deniers with them when they go back to Planet Woonatic.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 11:54 AM

67. I'm surprised they haven't been able to get better photos

Is there any discernible pattern to the appearances?

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