Blue Wave CA-45 freshman moderate Katie Porter never talked about impeachment,her constituents have

[Celerity]

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changed her mind, she is getting pressed at town halls, etc. We are going to start haemorrhaging base support if we do not at least start an enquiry.

CA-45 is Orange County, it is Democratic-held now for the first time since its creation. Porter is the archetypal new moderate Rep. in a pink or purple district that people point to when they say we cannot even do an enquiry. If she has now changed her mind, I see an inflection point coming eventually which Pelosi is not going to be able to ignore. The roadblockers fail to grasp the distinct possibility that stonewalling on even an enquiry can end up costing us far more votes than moving forward with a first step of an enquiry being opened.


Representative Katie Porter Faces Constituents And Impeachment Questions | The Last Word | MSNBC

Fresh off a town hall with her constituents in California, Democratic Rep. Katie Porter talks with Lawrence about her feelings on impeaching president Trump and what her constituents think of her performance in Washington.


more evidence.....

Black Voters Challenge House Members: Why Is Trump Still in Office?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/politics/black-voters-impeachment.html

[BigmanPigman]

1. She was speaking from uber rich La Jolla, CA.

If she can do it there it can be done in other areas with GOP support. I called my San Diego congress member today and told her staffer to tell my rep that I want Impeachment started now. I also thanked her for speaking at the Stop The Bans pro-choice rally on Sat to let her know I am following her actions as a constituent.

Call your reps! Congress in DC...[phone]. RESIST!

[rufus dog]

3. It looked like she was in Tustin

Which is part of her district. She doesn't have any cities in San Diego County.

She basically has Central/South OC. Also her district doesn't have anything that touches the Pacific. Basically the upper middle class sections of OC but very few areas that are Uber rich.

[BigmanPigman]

7. The thingie in the top left corner of her TV screen said La Jolla

so that is where she is speaking to Lawrence from. If Tustin is her district I messed up and thought she covered the whole area. The districts are pretty large around here.

[Celerity]

5. Her townhall was in Tustin, which is far below La Jolla (full disclosure, my uncle lives in La Jolla

near Torrey Pines and UC-SD) in terms of per capita wealth. Tustin, as I am sure you know, is one of those rapidly changing OC areas. It no longer has a big military presence, as the Marine Corps Air Station there was closed down in 1999 or so, 3 or 4 years after I was born.

I do agree with you completely on the overall point you are making though.

[rufus dog]

2. My Rep

I wrote a large letter to her yesterday on her website. Unfortunately during review on my iPhone it got deleted so I need to resend this weekend. I made it clear to her, we have her back, but it is critical to begin impeachment. If she loses, I lose the only D Rep I have ever had in my life, but we really have nothing to lose.

Message was, tRump may win by staving off impeachment in the Senate, but if he wins reelection then we had already lost. The Country as we know it is/was over at the start of the fight. If we harm him enough to win the WH and Senate in 2020 then we win. If he is impeached we win. So let's go out and win, because if we lose, we had already lost.

[cstanleytech]

10. You do realize that impeachment will not undo what Trump has done?

Further Pence then becomes president and then we have the problem of not being able to use the Republicans cravenness in protecting Trump against them in the upcoming election.

[sprinkleeninow]

4. Ooh, I like her!

Isn't she who put it to buffoon Carson regarding the REO/'Oreo' thing? 😄

[Celerity]

6. yes, that was her putting the old verbal bovver boots to Ben

also schooled that rotter Jamie Dimon

[sprinkleeninow]

8. Way, Katie!! eom

[Rhiannon12866]

9. She is incredibly sharp! I'd trade my Rep for her in a heartbeat!

[malaise]

11. Love her

Incredibly sharp is correct

[Rhiannon12866]

12. Anyone who misunderestimates her is in for a serious wake up call!!!

[DeminPennswoods]

13. Heilman said the ground is shifting very fast

on impeachment last night on O'Donnell's show. My sense is that this is true. When I called my congressman (moderate red-to-blue Dem), the staffer I spoke to told me the calls the staffer had personally taken were mostly from constituents who felt it was time to start an impeachment inquiry.

I heard on one of the cable news shows yesterday that a recent poll showed 60% of Americans want "someone new" to be president. I think if Mueller did nothing more than re-state what is in the SCO report on live TV, the ground would shift even faster. I wish he would go on "60 Minutes" for a 1 on 1 interview, tbh. I think that would serve to illuminate the highlights without the grandstanding by R judiciary committee members that is now apparently the WH's plan should Mueller testify.

[Celerity]

15. that is exactly what Katie Hill said, another moderate CA freshman, she said only (at most) 1%, 2%

of voters have read the Mueller Report, but just get Mueller on to simply explain it in precise terms, on national telly, during an enquiry, and those numbers explode in terms of people who will then fully understand the crimes Rump has committed.

The base is never going to sit still if we just stall it all out the next 17 months and refuse even an enquiry. We will lose a shit tonne of votes.

[DeminPennswoods]

23. Also

These were the calls for beginning an impeachment since Mueller's presser. I don't know what the ratio was before he spoke.

[Celerity]

24. Mueller's presser turbocharged it, and it was only 9 minutes, lol

People need to see things live with their own eyes.

here is just a little example of how insulated people are

Fox News viewer surprised that Mueller hadn’t exonerated Trump on obstruction

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/31/fox-news-viewer-surprised-that-mueller-hadnt-exonerated-trump-obstruction/?utm_term=.eb57a7814151

Cathy Garnaat was doing the work of a motivated citizen. Earlier this week, the 69-year-old Michigander went to a town hall featuring Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) — a highly publicized event at which the congressman defended his call for impeachment proceedings against President Trump. He is the only Republican to do so.

Volume II of the Mueller report, which lays out 11 instances of possible obstruction of justice by Trump, forms the basis of Amash’s position on impeachment — even though special counsel Robert S. Mueller III found that the evidence didn’t establish an underlying conspiracy crime of campaign collusion with Russia. “Obstruction of justice is more relevant when there is no charge in the underlying crime,” said Amash to a critic at the town hall, according to a report by NBC News.

NBC News quoted Garnaat as follows:

Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president.

“I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. “I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated.”

In search of a bit more detail, the Erik Wemple Blog rang up Garnaat on Thursday. “I usually watch Fox News,” Garnaat told us, noting that she doesn’t tune in every night. That’s not all, however: She’ll occasionally check in with MSNBC and other outlets. “I just mainly like to focus on Fox [News],” particularly its evening fare, with Sean Hannity and other prime-time mainstays.

[Hortensis]

14. Yes, Porter is one of the genuine new stars in the

freshman class who brings real expertise on financial regulation and consumer protection to the job. She's studied and worked under both Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris. Wall Street didn't like her well before she arrived in congress, of course. She likes to pull information from companies' own court filings to nail them with.

She was impressive on Rachel last night, of course, and so was discussion of Pelosi's handling. Apparently a quarter of our congressmen are now signed on to proceeding with impeachment? It'll be a lot more when Pelosi decides it's time, of course.

[cwydro]

16. But, but,our DU "experts" have informed us that regular voters don't care about impeachment.

Maybe they can contact her and splain how she’s wrong.

[Celerity]

17. she was a poster child for their line of thought (I do NOT mean poster child in a negative way

towards Porter at ALL, I love her).

Blue Wave, moderate, won a district that has been Rethug since it was made decades ago, she ran on healthcare and other kitchen-table issues, never brought up impeachment, etc etc.

The roadblockers said those type of voters, those type of districts not only do not care about impeachment, but will viciously turn on a new Representative who brings it up. They say even a simple enquiry is the kiss of death for our House majority.

Well, that sure is being challenged and Porter is far from the only one who is finding that out.

That article from the NYT I posted in the OP shows another danger of basic inaction (other than banging head against the brick wall of 1000% obstructionist Rump WH.) The base, the REAL base (including some of my fellow PoC) are starting to get really bothered. If we cannot even start a basic enquiry, then it is only going to get worse. Pelosi did herself no favours with that 'the Senate not convicting Rump means he will have immunity from all post-presidency charges' silliness.

This all is a really dangerous game of chicken. As I type this Al Sharpton is saying EXACTLY this on Morning Joe, as has over half the panel so far. I am not even going to get into the constitutional obligations, the use it or lose it angle, or and the fact the framers looked at even just impeachment that fell short of actual conviction and removal as a serious punishment.

[Kaleva]

18. Regular voters don't go to town hall meetings.

Look at the number of people who attend such meetings, acknowledging that some are independents and Repubs, and compare that to the number of registered Democrats in the district.

[EleanorR]

19. NYT link is for an obituary?

And I certainly hope voters are challenging senate republicans about why trump is still in office, because they're the ones charged with his trial and removal.

I have a friend in his 80s, follows politics pretty closely but he told me the other day he thought the house impeaching trump meant he'd be gone.

[Celerity]

21. fixed it, sorry, that link was about gerrymandering, I had two windows opened

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/politics/black-voters-impeachment.html

[mopinko]

20. i suspect this is what nancy is waiting for.

she wants to make sure these freshmen arent 1 term members.
i think one thing amash did was open the door on what is happening in purple places.

[Tipperary]

22. Good for her!

Excellent!