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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 04:43 PM Jun 2019

Should Speaker Pelosi call the vote this week?

In order to launch an official impeachment inquiry, the House must pass a resolution by a simple majority authorizing a committee (most likely but.not necessarily the Judiciary Committee) to begin an inquiry.

Right now only approximately 54 Members have come out in support of an inquiry. Even if that number is only half of the number of Members who actually support and would vote for opening an inquiry now, it is well short of the 218 votes needed to carry the resolution.

Knowing that, do people think that Speaker Pelosi should call a vote asap (as in this week) to authorize an impeachment inquiry, even though the measure would be voted down overwhelmingly - probably by more than 3 to 1 - by the full House?

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Should Speaker Pelosi call the vote this week? (Original Post) StarfishSaver Jun 2019 OP
Vote would make House Dems uncomfortable. Sneederbunk Jun 2019 #1
Particularly as neither the Speaker, her #2, her #3 nor any committee chair apart from Waters BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #3
Nor a majority of the Judiciary Committee StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #9
What was the point of this OP again? BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #21
Lots of people have been calling for it who don't understand the process. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #22
Now.Public awareness will not be this high again.Just start.This is Democrats' hill to make a stand. ancianita Jun 2019 #2
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #27
No, hearings need to be held first. MiniMe Jun 2019 #4
trump and trumpsters would dance a little jig if House couldn't even vote to initiate an inquiry. Hoyt Jun 2019 #5
Hell no. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #6
She's probably doing that already - I'm sure there's a whip count at least once, if not twice a day StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #7
Fact is, I trust Nancy's leadership. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #14
Links are required when you post from articles. sheshe2 Jun 2019 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #10
What makes you think the leadership hasn't set the stage for an impeachment proceeding? George II Jun 2019 #15
Bazinga! sheshe2 Jun 2019 #16
You don't seem to be familiar with how the whipping process works. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #18
Look at this polling Gothmog Jun 2019 #11
No Me. Jun 2019 #12
No n/t malaise Jun 2019 #13
I'm ok if she waits until the beginning of July, to spoil Trumps Independence Day circus Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #19
You don't understand the whipping process. It's not for the last 170 votes pnwmom Jun 2019 #23
Pelosi doesn't hold votes she knows will lose to "separate the courageous from the cowards" StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #24
Well, then she should spend the month of June whipping her caucus Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #29
"Regardless of the vote count, they should vote" TwilightZone Jun 2019 #25
I want to ensure that the political careers of cowards who oppose an inquiry die a quick death nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #30
She doesn't have the votes mcar Jun 2019 #20
no (nt) aeromanKC Jun 2019 #26
call the inquiry on AG Barr NOW beachbum bob Jun 2019 #28

BeyondGeography

(39,368 posts)
3. Particularly as neither the Speaker, her #2, her #3 nor any committee chair apart from Waters
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

has come out in favor of impeachment right now. Since when do we call votes under those circumstances?

ancianita

(36,017 posts)
2. Now.Public awareness will not be this high again.Just start.This is Democrats' hill to make a stand.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Mon Jun 3, 2019, 08:16 AM - Edit history (1)

The rest of the public will poll higher as they continue.

We'll know by reps' votes who is country over job.

MiniMe

(21,714 posts)
4. No, hearings need to be held first.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

Impeachment is not the first step, investigation and hearings are. If you find enough in the hearings and investigations, the next step is formal impeachment hearings.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. trump and trumpsters would dance a little jig if House couldn't even vote to initiate an inquiry.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jun 2019

As much as I'd like to get this over with as soon as possible -- If it's not going to pass without twisting arms, don't vote on it.

Think poster above is correct that it would make some Democrats uncomfortable, at this point.

Pretty soon, we have to decide to do it or move on. Don't think it's wise to go on like this into 2020.

sheshe2

(83,728 posts)
6. Hell no.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jun 2019

Without the votes it is an exercise in futility and would be shot down in a nanosecond. If she wants to hold a vote in private with Dems to get a feel where they stand after their recess and having spoken to their constituents? That would be fine with me.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
7. She's probably doing that already - I'm sure there's a whip count at least once, if not twice a day
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 05:09 PM
Jun 2019

sheshe2

(83,728 posts)
8. Fact is, I trust Nancy's leadership.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 05:38 PM
Jun 2019

I know she is doing everything possible. As she said the other day, the case needs to be ironclad.

Thanks so much for all your informative posts.. Starfish.

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

sheshe2

(83,728 posts)
17. Links are required when you post from articles.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019

That not only gives the author credit for their work, it also gives readers here the chance to read the context of hand picked quotes.

Thank you in advance and welcome to DU.

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. You don't seem to be familiar with how the whipping process works.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 07:03 PM
Jun 2019

Otherwise, you would not have posted what you did.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
19. I'm ok if she waits until the beginning of July, to spoil Trumps Independence Day circus
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jun 2019

But yes, she should hold a vote to open an inquiry soon. If she's a true leader who puts country before party, she will spend the next month whipping the votes. Regardless of the vote count, they should vote, so the people can separate the courageous from the cowards, and then set plans in motion to primary the cowards with candidates who will defend the Constitution with every ounce of power in the Legislative Branch.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
23. You don't understand the whipping process. It's not for the last 170 votes
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jun 2019

It's for the stragglers, once the majority is much closer to being onboard. We at least need to have the majority of Democrats , and we're not even close to that yet.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
24. Pelosi doesn't hold votes she knows will lose to "separate the courageous from the cowards"
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jun 2019

That's not leadership and it's not effective. It's not a Speaker's job to try to publicly humiliate or destroy the political futures of Members who don't toe the line for her. It's her job to try to persuade them to vote the way she wants. The tactic you're suggesting will only guarantee that you'll never see an impeachment of this president.

Not to mention the fact that, if a Member is against impeachment because his or her constituents aren't for it, good luck trying to primary them as punishment for responding to the will of their district.

Fortunately, Pelosi wouldn't even think of doing that - and neither would anyone else in her position.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
29. Well, then she should spend the month of June whipping her caucus
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 10:09 AM
Jun 2019

The Constitution can't wait- the Executive branch just defied a direct court order from the Judicial branch- if that doesn't create majority support for opening an impeachment inquiry (and an impeachment of Barr), then the stragglers should be exposed for the cowards they are, and their careers should be destroyed.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
25. "Regardless of the vote count, they should vote"
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 01:57 AM
Jun 2019

No, they shouldn't vote if they know the votes aren't there, unless you want to ensure that the process dies a quick death.

mcar

(42,299 posts)
20. She doesn't have the votes
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 08:29 PM
Jun 2019

So she won't call it. She is too intelligent and canny to let people who don't know what they are talking about control her.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
28. call the inquiry on AG Barr NOW
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:53 AM
Jun 2019

that would make the best use of time as well as giving all the practice into how to strategize it

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