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Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:27 PM

Let's get one thing clear about D-Day

Last edited Sat Jun 8, 2019, 04:44 PM - Edit history (2)

These were the good guys





And these were the bad guys



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Reply Let's get one thing clear about D-Day (Original post)
Trumpocalypse Jun 8 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 8 #1
Trumpocalypse Jun 8 #3
Codeine Jun 8 #4
Trumpocalypse Jun 8 #5
Hekate Jun 8 #6
PCIntern Jun 8 #2
Trumpocalypse Jun 8 #7
hunter Jun 8 #8
inanna Jun 8 #9
GulfCoast66 Jun 8 #10
cwydro Jun 8 #11
GulfCoast66 Jun 8 #13
Kaleva Jun 8 #12
GulfCoast66 Jun 8 #14
Kaleva Jun 8 #15
GulfCoast66 Jun 8 #16
Trumpocalypse Jun 9 #19
Kaleva Jun 9 #20
Trumpocalypse Jun 9 #21
Kaleva Jun 9 #24
Trumpocalypse Jun 9 #18
jpak Jun 9 #23
Aristus Jun 9 #25
Adsos Letter Jun 9 #27
Hugin Jun 8 #17
Trumpocalypse Jun 9 #22
keithbvadu2 Jun 10 #28
captain queeg Jun 9 #26
Trumpocalypse Jun 10 #30
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:29 PM

1. Why is this even an issue? Who ever said the Nazis were the good guys?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:34 PM

4. DU shitshow in another thread.

Something to keep the usual suspects occupied until they can bitch about Hiroshima.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 04:37 PM

5. Exactly

because of things like that is why the left often loses the patriotism argument to the right.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 04:41 PM

6. Zap! I think you got that one exactly right.This is just prior to the Annual DU Rewrite History Fest

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:29 PM

2. I'm sure there were fine people

on both sides

in extremis

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:08 PM

7. Unfortunately

Some agree with Trump on that.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:14 PM

8. Everybody thinks they'd never be a Nazi.

Yet here we are, eating the earth.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:17 PM

9. Recommend.

n/t

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:26 PM

10. I agree 100%. But because I can't help myself...

The people that did/lost the most to defeat the Nazis were Stalins Russians who went on to oppress Eastern Europe as they previously had the Ukraine, where they created a genocide, and all of Russia.

Were they good guys? They were not fighting to make the world safe for democracy.

And I agree we are coming up on the whole DU changing history season. August is just around the corner.

But it gets complicated.











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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:04 PM

11. Some people simply can't see the shades of grey.

Thatís a shame.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:19 PM

13. My dad, who died way too young, I was 24...

Told me life was grey and never trust anyone who explained it in Black and White. Politician, boss or preacher.

That had been my guiding light since. Not sure he would approve it would lead me to being the Freethinker I have become.

But I imagine he would approve.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:15 PM

12. While all Nazis are bad, only a small percentage of Germans belonged to the Nazi Party

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:28 PM

14. But they all fought for a shitty cause.

As did my ancestors in the Civil War.

But the question of the Soviet troops gets really grey. They did way more than the west to defeat the Nazis. Truth be told, even without D-Day they would have eventually defeated Germany. But they were attacked by the Germans. But in many ways were as bad as the Nazis.

Were the Russians good guys or bad guys?

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:31 PM

15. A better way to phrase it

Was the Soviet Union good guys or bad guys?

To argue that one nationality or group of nationalities was/or is superior to others is not good IMHO.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:53 PM

16. Well, I have to disagree.

While life may be full of Grey, the Nazis, who represented the Germans from from the early 1930ís till 1945 were clearly evil and represented a ideology that needed defeating. As was the confederacy The grey comes in with the Soviet Union who in many ways were as bad as the Nazis. But were our allies in WWII.

Iíve traveled enough to know individuals are pretty much the same. We want a good life and our children to have a better life. But not all societies work to make that goal a reality.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:09 AM

19. True

But most supported Hitler and the Nazis



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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:37 AM

20. Videos of Trump rallies would give the impression that Trump enjoys widespread support

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:38 AM

21. Not a fair comparison

Hitler volunteered for the army.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:06 PM

24. True

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:59 AM

18. Let's say

the Soviet Union was the lesser of two evils.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:56 PM

23. Russia was not at Normandy on D-Day

Just sayin'

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Response to jpak (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:17 PM

25. No. They were too busy fighting along the longest war front in all of recorded history.

Had been doing so for three years before the Western Allies landed in France.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:59 PM

17. I thought you were going to say there were no Trumps anywhere near it.

They were busy grifting.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:54 PM

22. Trump had a cousin who died in a German POW camp

Fell out of a guard tower.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:51 AM

28. Donald said his daddy was born in Germany.

Donald said his daddy was born in Germany.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:57 PM

26. Not feeling sorry for the Germans.

Can you imagine the troops stationed on the coast that morning? As the sun came up the ocean as far as the eye could see was covered with ships. Depends on your source, around 6,000. Also the sky was filled with14,000 airplanes. They must of figured the gates of hell opened up on them.

Never anything close to it before or since (though if the war would have went on the invasion of Japan probably would have been bigger.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:11 AM

30. Maybe something like this.

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