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Spot on. (Original Post) kpete Jun 2019 OP
It seems we're living in an era of two steps forward, one step back True Dough Jun 2019 #1
traitortrump is so pervasively rotten empedocles Jun 2019 #2
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #12
George Will, 'eh? calimary Jun 2019 #22
Will's attitude, past, etc. annoy me also. Howver, there are some useful empedocles Jun 2019 #29
George Will is vehemently opposed to a woman's right to choose. llmart Jun 2019 #39
Certainly Will has a number of awful traits himself. However, . . . empedocles Jun 2019 #42
Every time we elect a Republican president we take two steps back. Nitram Jun 2019 #10
THAT is a short and succinct good one ! pangaia Jun 2019 #3
This has been long in the works - 1000+ years. Income equality on steroids. erronis Jun 2019 #4
Wish there was some way hermetic Jun 2019 #5
Capitalism didn't do those things. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #6
Exactly. Unregulated capitalism did these things. And who deregulated it? The GOP. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #7
Well put! TheRickles Jun 2019 #8
Exactly. It's not really a "free market," when it's ruled by the powerful. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #20
Corruption inevitably overwhelms unregulated capitalism and destroys it sop Jun 2019 #27
This exactly, Social democratic countries are capitalistic... brush Jun 2019 #31
I think we need a new name for capitalism with a heart. Nitram Jun 2019 #9
That's where the social programs come in. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #21
Conscious business. JudyM Jun 2019 #36
That is spot on! Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #11
Do Not Really Agree With This Meme erpowers Jun 2019 #13
K&R ck4829 Jun 2019 #14
And oh yeah, one more thing Bozvotros Jun 2019 #15
K&R Kurt V. Jun 2019 #16
K & R...for truth...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #17
K&R BlueJac Jun 2019 #18
crapitalism. not capitalism. pansypoo53219 Jun 2019 #19
Ooooh - LIKE that one, pansypoo53219! calimary Jun 2019 #23
Distinction without a difference ck4829 Jun 2019 #25
I am so stealing that one! Initech Jun 2019 #26
YES. This needs to spread far and wide... liberalla Jun 2019 #24
It also robbed you of your metabolism by making you fat. Initech Jun 2019 #28
I actually have a pension underpants Jun 2019 #30
We are the only country in the world where .. Botany Jun 2019 #32
Don't blame capitalists, blame Libertarians FakeNoose Jun 2019 #33
Don't forget religion Danascot Jun 2019 #34
And misogyny too! They still have that as well. n/t iscooterliberally Jun 2019 #40
Absolutely! Danascot Jun 2019 #41
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jun 2019 #35
crapitalism. not capitalism. pansypoo53219 Jun 2019 #37
+1001 Capt. America Jun 2019 #38

True Dough

(17,243 posts)
1. It seems we're living in an era of two steps forward, one step back
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jun 2019

Or in the case of President Drumpf, 94 steps back, no steps forward.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
2. traitortrump is so pervasively rotten
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jun 2019

Reminds me of the quote:

'Is there any undesirable human trait that Mr. Trump does not possess?' - G. Will

[Something quite remarkable about all that].

calimary

(81,053 posts)
22. George Will, 'eh?
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jun 2019

Well, look in the mirror, Georgie-boy. High ‘n’ mighty holier-than-thou elitist CONservatives like you have been building toward this very result FOR YEARS. THIS unintended CONsequence is what you get when you work for decades to badmouth, undercut, and cripple government and offer public prayers to the tax cut god and preach so sanctimoniously about the pestilence of lazy moochers and the desperate need to comfort the already-comfortable.

THIS condition now is where that selfish, shortsighted jerkitude can lead - and now actually HAS taken form and shape.

THIS is what you and all the rest of us are reaping - from the seeds you carefully sowed and tended and watered and fertilized over several decades.

THIS is what that lame-ass supply-side economics and starve-the-beast bullshit will produce for you.

THIS is the logical CONclusion.

THIS is the “then” that inevitably leads from the “if” in your “if/then” scenario.

THIS is the result you get. Your “god” Reagan and his penny wise-pound foolish gospel of tax-hating and screw the poor and IGMFU worldview (“I Got Mine, F-U”) have led you by the nose through all that pie-in-the-sky to this dismal time.

As you fervent, glazed-over-eyed republi-CONS said with your own slogan blared out to the world during one of your big CONventions (I think it was the McCain/Palin one): “You Built It.”

Happy now?

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
29. Will's attitude, past, etc. annoy me also. Howver, there are some useful
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:07 PM
Jun 2019

things on the other side, including this quote. Pragmatically, some 'alliances' on some
occasions are necessary. LBJ's tremendous, and in many ways unrivaled, accomplishments were made possible by working with all sorts of conservatives and compromises.

I don't like the attitude of writing off all who are not pretty much aligned with Dems - and dismayed at the short-sightedness of Dem purists putting targets on the back of needed centrist incumbents in the primaries.

llmart

(15,527 posts)
39. George Will is vehemently opposed to a woman's right to choose.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jun 2019

So, despite his hatred of Trump, he can go take a flying leap as far as I'm concerned.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
42. Certainly Will has a number of awful traits himself. However, . . .
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jun 2019

. . . Stalin had an unbelievable number of sickening, etc., etc., traits, policies, murders that he was personally responsible for. . .

. . . However, an 'alliance' with Stalin was extremely necessary in containing Hitler in WWII - and FDR prudently, did what he had to do, and made the deals. Not doing the deal would have been dangerous, costly for American lives [Russia lost 9 million lives], etc.

LBJ had to ally with the very racist, anti women, Solid South Committee Chairmen to pass Civil Rights [voting, women's chapter rights, etc.], Medicare, Medicaid, etc. [Great Society legislation], to pass which would not pass any other way. [A number on the Dem left were bitterly angry with LBJ - at the time]. [Extremely doubtful any President since could get anything like that passed].

The more George Wills, moderate Republicans, Never Trumpers, solid conservatives, those who simply hate trump, etc., Dems can ally with on various issues; the better are Dem chances of winning in 2020, gaining more seats in Congress, and getting more legislation of all kinds passed.

As of now, it looks quite possible, even if it's only remotely possible, that traitortrump will win in 2020 - a sickening thought; losing the House [with the help of Dem purists] would be unbelievably . . .

[Thank you for your reply IImart].



erronis

(15,160 posts)
4. This has been long in the works - 1000+ years. Income equality on steroids.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jun 2019

The rich vs. the have-nots. This has long been the human condition.

Nation-states with monetary and protectionist policies have been promoting the class-based societies.

With the advent of digital currencies and widening surveillance, it is every plutocrat's dream. No more barter for real services, no more cash for exchange, no more anonymity.

Everything that transacts needs to be controlled by the top class(es).

Well, except their own transactions.

hermetic

(8,301 posts)
5. Wish there was some way
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jun 2019

to project this onto my house. Then all the smug repugs around here would be forced to read it. Maybe it would cause a few to think...Nah, probably not. (Follower of Aunt Crabby)

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
6. Capitalism didn't do those things.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jun 2019

The Republicans and the oligarchy did.

Democrats are capitalists, too. America has a capitalist economy with some social program safety nets. As even Bernie will tell you!

SunSeeker

(51,499 posts)
7. Exactly. Unregulated capitalism did these things. And who deregulated it? The GOP.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:50 PM
Jun 2019

Scandinavia has regulated capitalism, but it looks like socialism to us because we are so unfamiliar with what a strong safety net is supposed to look like.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. Exactly. It's not really a "free market," when it's ruled by the powerful.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jun 2019

It's used to hold down the "common people," as Trump calls us.

sop

(10,077 posts)
27. Corruption inevitably overwhelms unregulated capitalism and destroys it
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:06 PM
Jun 2019

Our system is brutally corrupt at the highest levels. Without proper oversight, capitalism ceases to exist and becomes something that only serves the few at the top.

brush

(53,722 posts)
31. This exactly, Social democratic countries are capitalistic...
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:14 PM
Jun 2019

but it's highly regulated and taxed yet robust. They're not trying to get rid of capitalism they control it to provide a strong safety net for their people—universal healthcare, free college, much less income disparity.

That is not socialism whatever your term for socialism is—democratic socialism, classic socialism—socialism is about transforming the society into one where industry is own by the people/state.

Show me a society where that has been successful. That has never worked. Sanders and his supporters need to start advocating social democracy and they might gain some traction.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. That's where the social programs come in.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jun 2019

But that's where our social programs come in. The ones that the Republicans have been trying to kill since they were implemented.

JudyM

(29,176 posts)
36. Conscious business.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jun 2019
Conscious business[1] enterprises and people (sometimes referred to as conscious capitalism[2]) are those that choose to follow a business strategy, in which they seek to benefit both human beings and the environment. The conscious business movement in the US emerged from the theory of corporate social responsibility, which pushes for a "values-based" approach where values represent social and environmental concerns both locally and globally. This effort is related to not-just-for-profit business models, conscious consumerism, and socially responsible investing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious_business

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
13. Do Not Really Agree With This Meme
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jun 2019

I do not really agree with this meme. Many corporate workers still have some form of a pension and benefits. A number of corporations provide good retirement benefits and healthcare benefits. Also, a number of corporations provide fairly good pay. I am not so sure Capitalism destroyed the educational system in America. It can also be argued that Capitalism did not actually put anyone in debt.

Bozvotros

(782 posts)
15. And oh yeah, one more thing
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jun 2019

Their political enablers and enforcers want to force your mother, sister and daughter to have babies even if it kills them.

Initech

(100,018 posts)
28. It also robbed you of your metabolism by making you fat.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:07 PM
Jun 2019

And your intelligence by replacing your ability to think freely with talking points and outrage!

FakeNoose

(32,535 posts)
33. Don't blame capitalists, blame Libertarians
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jun 2019

Most of them are Repukes, or an even nastier version of ultra-conservative.
Tax cheats, white supremacists, neo-nazis, racists, etc. We're all better off without them.



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