I'm having a hard time believing I live in a county where vaping in an airline bathroom gets

[vsrazdem]

you banned from flying for life, but putting children in cages and stealing their medication gets you a presidential nomination.

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, They're still abusing children by kidnapping them from thier parents

Trump is a child abuser

[hlthe2b]

2. You do realize it is a single airline banning him--not all, right?

Spirit is a very small airline and while the decision might be (or at least "feel" excessive), it is not so dissimilar as a private business banning someone for vandalism or theft or public disruptive behavior. In the case of airlines, having passengers violate FAA rules is a very serious thing and too many such violations can certainly result in significant enforcement actions against the airline. I might add that alcohol-fueled "misbehavior" was apparently part of the issue as well, so I'm not sure the full extent of the incident has been reported. Perhaps this has led some to think that he was fully compliant after making an "honest mistake" and was being overly penalized. That does not seem to be the case and such bans are not at all unusual for passengers who have created major disruptive incidents on board.

I totally agree that the Trump admin's actions towards immigrants and especially children are horrific and frankly deserving of International "crimes against humanity" investigation and sanction. But it feels as though you trivialize it to compare it to what you perceive to be a harsh result to someone violating Federal law on a private business--an airline-- and which puts that airline at risk of Federal repercussions. One is our Federal government committing horrific and illegal acts towards innocent asylum-seekers. The other a small business acting in their own best interest against someone who put those interests at some risk. Even if you disagree with the latter it is just WRONG to compare it in any way to the former.

[vsrazdem]

8. I am not saying there should be no punishment. Most of the airlines either have arrests of fines.

But yes, this is the world we live in now, every day watching this bafoon represent our country with disgrace. Normal everyday people have to suffer the consequences of their actions, but not him. It is disgusting.

[malaise]

3. Those are two completely different issues

which cannot be discussed together.
No smoking means what it says particularly on aircraft. Electronic cigarettes have caused fires and airlines have made it clear that smoking is not allowed.

Locking up children is a crime against humanity - those concentration camps are crimes against humanity. These are two completely different issues.

[hlthe2b]

5. Yup.. e-cigs definitely are a fire and explosive hazard. Just some of the many documented incidents

https://no-smoke.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf/E-Cigarette-Explosions-and-Fires.pdf

[malaise]

6. I read your post after posting mine

and smiled
Every rule does not mean democracy is dead

[cwydro]

7. Thank you.

Talk about apples and oranges. Smh.

[malaise]

9. LOL

[samnsara]

12. totally agree...

..theres gum for that!

[George II]

19. I don't even think it's up to the airline, I think it's an FAA regulation.

[vsrazdem]

24. I believe the regulation is arrest.

[malaise]

37. Well I'd ban that person for life

How dare anyone endangers others because of their personal addiction.

Geez - can't he survive a fwe hours without his fix?

[SharonClark]

30. Thank you.

Sometimes statements on DU are as illogical as anything Trump says.

[TheBlackAdder]

32. Vaping oils are made from various products. The mist coats all surfaces, including smoke detectors.

.

The odd thing, I see, besides how vaping seems like a silly habit is that the human lungs are very sensitive to certain herbs and oils. Most of these vaping oils are not really certified to not promote nodules and lesions in the lungs, or lead to COPD--which no one wants.

Personally, if I see someone vape, I immediately think oral fixation and drug dependency. That shit gets everywhere, and if you are downwind, it's just plain nasty to get misted with someone's vape product, even more so than cig smoke.

.

[malaise]

33. Great point

[TheBlackAdder]

36. Thanks! I forgot to add in a compulsive disorder to oral fixation and drug dependency.

.

It's a shame to see someone allowing themselves to be controlled in such a way.

But, if you ask them, they like the taste and they can stop at any time. I don't know who they are kidding.

.

[cwydro]

48. I can't imagine not being able to last through a flight without a smoke, or a vape or whatever.

Kind of sad.

I guess these vape things are addictive too.

[Skittles]

52. they do look ridiculous

and I say that as a former smoker

[safeinOhio]

4. There are other options.

Either one, nicotine or THC can be taken orally.

[Snake Plissken]

10. Just because Trump is a criminal doesn't mean we should disregard the rule of law altogether.

Even though that is exactly what Trump wants.

[JGug1]

11. Not The Best Analogy

Vaping on an airline SHOULD result in some very strong punishment and a ban for life isn't too much. What the hell right does some sob have to expose others to his/her chosen poison? NONE.
I just don't think comparing that to putting kids in cages is a good approach. Of COURSE, putting kids in cages should not result in being nominated but you are ignoring who we are dealing with. No sane President would consider such a nomination but.......

[D2020]

26. why do people insist that vaping

Exposes anyone to nicotine, or anything else harmful when it is proven that the only byproduct of vaping is water vapor?

[sarisataka]

35. Who has proven

That it is only water vapor an no other chemicals?

[D2020]

40. Not to start a fight online, but .....

the people who test this type of thing, have found nothing but water vapor. Why do those who want smokers to stop, will not acknowledge the fact that vaping is harmless to anyone other than those doing the actual vaping? Go to any southwestern town and experience the misters on the patios of a lot of restaurants, more water vapor there than any one puffing on a vape pipe.
This device has helped many people quit killing themselves with cigarettes, but some would deny them a device that works to end their addiction.

[druidity33]

41. Thank you for this I agree with you. K&R, nt.

[Codeine]

54. If it only contained water vapor

then it wouldn’t give you your chemical addiction fix. Clearly it needs to contain nicotine, no?

[KentuckyWoman]

67. It doesn't smell like water.

Obviously something goes airborne besides H2O. Whether or not it is any more harmful to me than the stink of whatever they eat in the upstairs apartment is an open question.

[Codeine]

68. Good point.

The vapor smells like anti-freeze and cheap pancake syrup most of the time.

[KentuckyWoman]

69. In all honesty

I am convinced my upstairs neighbor might be incinerating anti freeze and cheap pancake syrup for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Every once in awhile they coat a week old fish with the hottest curry made and make a burnt offering to the gods.

[Codeine]

70. Oh man, the smell of fish.

Somebody once microwaved a fish (like an actual whole fish from the nearby lake) in my store and I swear I smelled that shit for a month.

And curry smells really stick. I bought a bass guitar ten years ago on eBay and to this day it makes my fingers smell when I play it. The fretboard just soaked up that smell from the previous owner’s home and no amount of cleaning will budge it.

[sl8]

46. Could you provide a source for that, please?

Thank you.

I've yet to see a credible source that indicates that water is the primary by-product of vaping, let alone the only by-product.

The main ingredients in e-juices are propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, flavoring (sometimes), and nicotine (sometimes). I have seen some recipes that incorporate very small amounts of ethanol, as a byproduct of dissolving certain flavorings. I've not seen any commercial e-juices or recipes that include any significant amount of water.

Vapers certainly exhale water vapor, just like any human with a healthy set of moist lungs, but, apart from a possible slight increase in water vapor exhaled due to the hygroscopic nature of the e-juice, I can't see how it could possibly be the only by-product.

What happened to the actual ingredients in the e-juice? All absorbed by the body, never to be excreted? All converted to water?

[onenote]

50. I noticed that you didn't provide proof for your claim the only byproduct of vaping is water vapor,

so here'a relevant study.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935114003089

I guess I can see why you didn't post anything, since this is just one of many articles that makes the point that the emission from vaping is NOT just water vapor and in fact contains a number of toxins.

[cwydro]

51. It's still against the rules on airplanes, and not just in this country.

So your point is moot.

[D2020]

74. I have yet to set off

Any airplane smoke detectors so it doesn't matter to me one way or another. Haters gonna hate, but why they have to have a problem with something that helps people is a mystery to me.

[Ms. Toad]

44. Wow - I agreee, but what a different world we live in now

I've come close to being kicked off of planes - for insisting on my right not to be poisoned.

Back in the day when there were smoking and no-smoking sections pn planes, and I would fairly regularly get seated in the last non-smoking row - as if somehow the smoke knew not to waft its way into my airspace.

I was proactive and pointed my fan just over the back of my head - going full blast - to create a stream of air barrier.

They asked me to turn it off, or point it another direction. I refused, explaining why. The complained, and I go tread the riot act.

[StarfishSaver]

58. I'm fascinated that we actually thought smoking and no-smoking sections with no barrier between

them actually meant anything at all, especially to non-smokers. If people were smoking anywhere in the cabin, the entire cabin was a smoking section.

[Ms. Toad]

61. My point, precisely.

Although the experience was measurably worse in the couple of rows just ahead of the ssmoking section.

[StarfishSaver]

62. I was a smoker at the time and even I thought it was disgusting

All that stale cigarette smoke in that cramped cabin made me sick to my stomach. Yuck.

[StarfishSaver]

13. Vaping on a plane is dangerous to everyone on the aircraft.

If someone feels so self-entitled they don't think they need to follow rules, they should find a way to travel that doesn't have so many restrictions.

Like driving. Nah - LOTS of rules for driving (speed limits, stop lights, no texting, no drinking, etc.)

Well, good luck traveling anywhere.

[Kaleva]

14. I don't see how the two are even remotely connected.

[Iggo]

15. Addicts.

[obamanut2012]

17. Apples and oranges

But, you knew that.

[George II]

18. Two totally unrelated issues, why compare the two?

[Pachamama]

20. I am having a hard time believing I live in a Country where states can have laws that allow children

...to be raped and impregnated, not allowed to have an abortion, forced to carry that child and the rapist has custody and visitation rights to the child born.

Oh yeah - and that a doctor who performs an abortion on the pregnancy from rape will get more years in prison than the rapist....

Having a really hard time believing this shit is happening in the 21st Century of the United States...

[malaise]

22. Yep +1,000

That and the linked invasion of church on matters state

[vsrazdem]

25. ++

[Cartoonist]

21. False comparison

Trump was given the nomination before he put kids in cages.

[MineralMan]

23. How are those two things related?

In one case, an individual was unable to control nicotine cravings and broke the law to appease them. In the other, the government is doing immoral things to make some sort of point.

I'm a smoker. However, I have no problem with laws that prohibit smoking on planes. I can sit there for a few hours without smoking. If I couldn't, I could use an oral nicotine product. What I wouldn't do, though, is violate any laws regarding smoking on airplanes.

Recently, I took a flight on a leased plane that still had ashtrays in the armrests. That reminded me of how smoky planes used to be during flights. I don't mind not smoking on airlines.

There's no comparison between those two things. Sorry.

[Loki Liesmith]

27. TFW you JUST gotta post something...anything...

That is one hell of a reach

[MontanaMama]

28. Conflating the inconvenience

someone might feel by not being allowed to vape on an airplane and the pain, suffering and life long emotional damage of being ripped from your parents and kept in a cage is ridiculous. 🙄

[yortsed snacilbuper]

29. Disrupting the flight crew is punishable by law,

you could cause a crash!

[Codeine]

31. Addiction makes people post silly things. nt

[vsrazdem]

42. I am a nonsmoker, so sorry your theory is wrong.

[stopbush]

38. File under: I can't believe you can get arrested for jaywalking

while people are dying of hunger.

[stopbush]

39. What connects attempting to smoke/vape on an airplane and tRump

is the elitist sense of privilege that the laws don’t apply to you.

[vsrazdem]

43. Oh please stop. This post is not about vaping. It was meant to be about the extremes we are living

in these days.

[Kaleva]

45. But there is no linear connection between the two extremes you mentioned.

It appears that hardly anyone gives a shit about the person banned by one airline for vaping in the plane's restroom. Some are saying he deserves it. So that doesn't even qualify as an extreme.

[malaise]

47. The poster was replying to him/herself

at #43. Ah well.

[vsrazdem]

49. I think being banned from flying is extreme. If that is acceptable, then all drunk drivers should

never be allowed to drive again. I just don't feel the punishment fits the crime. Arrest the person, they can go to jail, make them pay fines, but I feel this being banned from flying is severe.

[Codeine]

55. Presumably they're only banned from that airline.

And yes, people with DUIs should be banned from driving. It’s insane that they aren’t.

[obamanut2012]

56. Drunk drivers should be banned from ever driving again

I've never driven drunk, never will, and have never driven with anyone knowingly drunk. It is no different than driving down a road and firing a machine gun at your fellow drivers.

However, re: your OP? Sorry it didn't go like you wanted it to.

Epic

Fail

[cwydro]

53. It's against the rules to smoke or vape on an airplane in every country I've ever flown in.

He wasn’t banned from FLYING, just from that airline for petes’s sake.

[demtenjeep]

57. a couple years ago, I vaped on a plane. I got a "airline traffic ticket" and they took my vape awa

for the rest of the flight and had to pick it up at the desk in the terminal when we landed.



I saved the ticket. It is in my scrap book

[Codeine]

59. Did you not realize

or did you not care?

[demtenjeep]

60. did not know

I wasn't blowing it anywhere that is what I thought the issue was.

Now I just take a dab of liquid and put it in my cheek

[cwydro]

71. You know you can get nicotine gum, right?

That’s one hell of a habit there.

[demtenjeep]

73. I am trying to quit all nicotine. I haven't had a real cig in 6 years. I started at 32 strength wh

when I started vaping and now am down to 3. I hope by the end of the summer I am not doing anything!

[EffieBlack]

63. This OP reminds me of the time a local university restricted beer sale hours on campus

and some students staged a sit-in where they sang “ We Shall Overcome” and “All we are saying, is GIVE BEER A CHANCE!!!”

And I thought, “Really?”

I just read this OP and, again thought, “Really?”

[Codeine]

65. Some people choose weird hills upon which to die. nt

[EffieBlack]

66. Yup

[sl8]

72. Following the example of their philosophical forebears from Flanders?

From http://charity.tarvalon.net/index.php?title=World_Tour:_Ghent,_Belgium

[...]

The spirit of Ghent alive and drinking!
November 16th, 1949.

The student body of the Ghent University rises up and literally takes control and occupies the Gravensteen Castle in protest (as was believed by many at the time) against the raising of the price on beer. Not only were these students outraged by the nerve of the city officials to even think of such a horrific thing, but they were said to be equally shocked and outraged at the announced new headwear the Police would be wearing from then on. The head wear would namely change from a very outstanding white to a more subtle blue, which would make it more difficult for people to see the cops coming. The Ghent students had organised a grand 'coup' including students from universities all over the country, who all came to the call of their brothers and sisters in need.

It took the Fire Department, the entire Police Corps ànd the National Guard to take back the Castle from the students.

Public opinion was so fierce that the officials were helpless and not one student was charged in any way or form and to this day, the Student Occupation of the Gravensteen Castle is seen as the biggest and best student prank in the history of the city.

[...]

[bdamomma]

64. That's

a WTF moment.

[ck4829]

75. K&R

[BlueJac]

76. A non issue...

vaping on an airplane is dangerous to all on board, take a nicotine pill and relax.