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Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:06 AM

I'm having a hard time believing I live in a county where vaping in an airline bathroom gets

you banned from flying for life, but putting children in cages and stealing their medication gets you a presidential nomination.

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Reply I'm having a hard time believing I live in a county where vaping in an airline bathroom gets (Original post)
vsrazdem Jun 2019 OP
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #1
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #2
vsrazdem Jun 2019 #8
malaise Jun 2019 #3
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #5
malaise Jun 2019 #6
cwydro Jun 2019 #7
malaise Jun 2019 #9
samnsara Jun 2019 #12
George II Jun 2019 #19
vsrazdem Jun 2019 #24
malaise Jun 2019 #37
SharonClark Jun 2019 #30
TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #32
malaise Jun 2019 #33
TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #36
cwydro Jun 2019 #48
Skittles Jun 2019 #52
safeinOhio Jun 2019 #4
Snake Plissken Jun 2019 #10
JGug1 Jun 2019 #11
D2020 Jun 2019 #26
sarisataka Jun 2019 #35
D2020 Jun 2019 #40
druidity33 Jun 2019 #41
Codeine Jun 2019 #54
KentuckyWoman Jun 2019 #67
Codeine Jun 2019 #68
KentuckyWoman Jun 2019 #69
Codeine Jun 2019 #70
sl8 Jun 2019 #46
onenote Jun 2019 #50
cwydro Jun 2019 #51
D2020 Jun 2019 #74
Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #44
StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #58
Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #61
StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #62
StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #13
Post removed Jun 2019 #34
Kaleva Jun 2019 #14
Iggo Jun 2019 #15
Iggo Jun 2019 #16
obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #17
George II Jun 2019 #18
Pachamama Jun 2019 #20
malaise Jun 2019 #22
vsrazdem Jun 2019 #25
Cartoonist Jun 2019 #21
MineralMan Jun 2019 #23
Loki Liesmith Jun 2019 #27
MontanaMama Jun 2019 #28
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Codeine Jun 2019 #31
vsrazdem Jun 2019 #42
stopbush Jun 2019 #38
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vsrazdem Jun 2019 #43
Kaleva Jun 2019 #45
malaise Jun 2019 #47
vsrazdem Jun 2019 #49
Codeine Jun 2019 #55
obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #56
cwydro Jun 2019 #53
demtenjeep Jun 2019 #57
Codeine Jun 2019 #59
demtenjeep Jun 2019 #60
cwydro Jun 2019 #71
demtenjeep Jun 2019 #73
EffieBlack Jun 2019 #63
Codeine Jun 2019 #65
EffieBlack Jun 2019 #66
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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:11 AM

1. K&R, They're still abusing children by kidnapping them from thier parents

Trump is a child abuser

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:22 AM

2. You do realize it is a single airline banning him--not all, right?

Spirit is a very small airline and while the decision might be (or at least "feel" excessive), it is not so dissimilar as a private business banning someone for vandalism or theft or public disruptive behavior. In the case of airlines, having passengers violate FAA rules is a very serious thing and too many such violations can certainly result in significant enforcement actions against the airline. I might add that alcohol-fueled "misbehavior" was apparently part of the issue as well, so I'm not sure the full extent of the incident has been reported. Perhaps this has led some to think that he was fully compliant after making an "honest mistake" and was being overly penalized. That does not seem to be the case and such bans are not at all unusual for passengers who have created major disruptive incidents on board.

I totally agree that the Trump admin's actions towards immigrants and especially children are horrific and frankly deserving of International "crimes against humanity" investigation and sanction. But it feels as though you trivialize it to compare it to what you perceive to be a harsh result to someone violating Federal law on a private business--an airline-- and which puts that airline at risk of Federal repercussions. One is our Federal government committing horrific and illegal acts towards innocent asylum-seekers. The other a small business acting in their own best interest against someone who put those interests at some risk. Even if you disagree with the latter it is just WRONG to compare it in any way to the former.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:06 AM

8. I am not saying there should be no punishment. Most of the airlines either have arrests of fines.

But yes, this is the world we live in now, every day watching this bafoon represent our country with disgrace. Normal everyday people have to suffer the consequences of their actions, but not him. It is disgusting.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:37 AM

3. Those are two completely different issues

which cannot be discussed together.
No smoking means what it says particularly on aircraft. Electronic cigarettes have caused fires and airlines have made it clear that smoking is not allowed.

Locking up children is a crime against humanity - those concentration camps are crimes against humanity. These are two completely different issues.

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:46 AM

5. Yup.. e-cigs definitely are a fire and explosive hazard. Just some of the many documented incidents

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:04 AM

6. I read your post after posting mine

and smiled
Every rule does not mean democracy is dead

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:05 AM

7. Thank you.

Talk about apples and oranges. Smh.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:06 AM

9. LOL

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:59 AM

12. totally agree...

..theres gum for that!

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:50 AM

19. I don't even think it's up to the airline, I think it's an FAA regulation.

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:28 AM

24. I believe the regulation is arrest.

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:25 AM

37. Well I'd ban that person for life

How dare anyone endangers others because of their personal addiction.

Geez - can't he survive a fwe hours without his fix?

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:41 AM

30. Thank you.

Sometimes statements on DU are as illogical as anything Trump says.

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:58 AM

32. Vaping oils are made from various products. The mist coats all surfaces, including smoke detectors.

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The odd thing, I see, besides how vaping seems like a silly habit is that the human lungs are very sensitive to certain herbs and oils. Most of these vaping oils are not really certified to not promote nodules and lesions in the lungs, or lead to COPD--which no one wants.

Personally, if I see someone vape, I immediately think oral fixation and drug dependency. That shit gets everywhere, and if you are downwind, it's just plain nasty to get misted with someone's vape product, even more so than cig smoke.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:00 AM

33. Great point

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Response to malaise (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:13 AM

36. Thanks! I forgot to add in a compulsive disorder to oral fixation and drug dependency.

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It's a shame to see someone allowing themselves to be controlled in such a way.

But, if you ask them, they like the taste and they can stop at any time. I don't know who they are kidding.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:03 PM

48. I can't imagine not being able to last through a flight without a smoke, or a vape or whatever.

Kind of sad.

I guess these vape things are addictive too.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:23 PM

52. they do look ridiculous

and I say that as a former smoker

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:45 AM

4. There are other options.

Either one, nicotine or THC can be taken orally.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:23 AM

10. Just because Trump is a criminal doesn't mean we should disregard the rule of law altogether.

Even though that is exactly what Trump wants.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:54 AM

11. Not The Best Analogy

Vaping on an airline SHOULD result in some very strong punishment and a ban for life isn't too much. What the hell right does some sob have to expose others to his/her chosen poison? NONE.
I just don't think comparing that to putting kids in cages is a good approach. Of COURSE, putting kids in cages should not result in being nominated but you are ignoring who we are dealing with. No sane President would consider such a nomination but.......

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:34 AM

26. why do people insist that vaping

 

Exposes anyone to nicotine, or anything else harmful when it is proven that the only byproduct of vaping is water vapor?

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Response to D2020 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:10 AM

35. Who has proven

That it is only water vapor an no other chemicals?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:28 PM

40. Not to start a fight online, but .....

 

the people who test this type of thing, have found nothing but water vapor. Why do those who want smokers to stop, will not acknowledge the fact that vaping is harmless to anyone other than those doing the actual vaping? Go to any southwestern town and experience the misters on the patios of a lot of restaurants, more water vapor there than any one puffing on a vape pipe.
This device has helped many people quit killing themselves with cigarettes, but some would deny them a device that works to end their addiction.

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Response to D2020 (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:15 PM

41. Thank you for this I agree with you. K&R, nt.

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Response to D2020 (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:37 PM

54. If it only contained water vapor

then it wouldn’t give you your chemical addiction fix. Clearly it needs to contain nicotine, no?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:29 PM

67. It doesn't smell like water.

Obviously something goes airborne besides H2O. Whether or not it is any more harmful to me than the stink of whatever they eat in the upstairs apartment is an open question.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:31 PM

68. Good point.

The vapor smells like anti-freeze and cheap pancake syrup most of the time.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #68)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:39 PM

69. In all honesty

I am convinced my upstairs neighbor might be incinerating anti freeze and cheap pancake syrup for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Every once in awhile they coat a week old fish with the hottest curry made and make a burnt offering to the gods.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:51 PM

70. Oh man, the smell of fish.

Somebody once microwaved a fish (like an actual whole fish from the nearby lake) in my store and I swear I smelled that shit for a month.

And curry smells really stick. I bought a bass guitar ten years ago on eBay and to this day it makes my fingers smell when I play it. The fretboard just soaked up that smell from the previous owner’s home and no amount of cleaning will budge it.

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Response to D2020 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:50 PM

46. Could you provide a source for that, please?

Thank you.

I've yet to see a credible source that indicates that water is the primary by-product of vaping, let alone the only by-product.

The main ingredients in e-juices are propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, flavoring (sometimes), and nicotine (sometimes). I have seen some recipes that incorporate very small amounts of ethanol, as a byproduct of dissolving certain flavorings. I've not seen any commercial e-juices or recipes that include any significant amount of water.

Vapers certainly exhale water vapor, just like any human with a healthy set of moist lungs, but, apart from a possible slight increase in water vapor exhaled due to the hygroscopic nature of the e-juice, I can't see how it could possibly be the only by-product.

What happened to the actual ingredients in the e-juice? All absorbed by the body, never to be excreted? All converted to water?




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Response to D2020 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:20 PM

50. I noticed that you didn't provide proof for your claim the only byproduct of vaping is water vapor,

so here'a relevant study.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935114003089

I guess I can see why you didn't post anything, since this is just one of many articles that makes the point that the emission from vaping is NOT just water vapor and in fact contains a number of toxins.

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Response to D2020 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:21 PM

51. It's still against the rules on airplanes, and not just in this country.

So your point is moot.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #51)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:53 AM

74. I have yet to set off

 

Any airplane smoke detectors so it doesn't matter to me one way or another. Haters gonna hate, but why they have to have a problem with something that helps people is a mystery to me.

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:28 PM

44. Wow - I agreee, but what a different world we live in now

I've come close to being kicked off of planes - for insisting on my right not to be poisoned.

Back in the day when there were smoking and no-smoking sections pn planes, and I would fairly regularly get seated in the last non-smoking row - as if somehow the smoke knew not to waft its way into my airspace.

I was proactive and pointed my fan just over the back of my head - going full blast - to create a stream of air barrier.

They asked me to turn it off, or point it another direction. I refused, explaining why. The complained, and I go tread the riot act.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:48 PM

58. I'm fascinated that we actually thought smoking and no-smoking sections with no barrier between

them actually meant anything at all, especially to non-smokers. If people were smoking anywhere in the cabin, the entire cabin was a smoking section.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #58)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:58 PM

61. My point, precisely.

Although the experience was measurably worse in the couple of rows just ahead of the ssmoking section.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:00 PM

62. I was a smoker at the time and even I thought it was disgusting

All that stale cigarette smoke in that cramped cabin made me sick to my stomach. Yuck.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:24 AM

13. Vaping on a plane is dangerous to everyone on the aircraft.

If someone feels so self-entitled they don't think they need to follow rules, they should find a way to travel that doesn't have so many restrictions.

Like driving. Nah - LOTS of rules for driving (speed limits, stop lights, no texting, no drinking, etc.)

Well, good luck traveling anywhere.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:28 AM

14. I don't see how the two are even remotely connected.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:30 AM

15. Addicts.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:42 AM

17. Apples and oranges

But, you knew that.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:49 AM

18. Two totally unrelated issues, why compare the two?

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:16 AM

20. I am having a hard time believing I live in a Country where states can have laws that allow children

...to be raped and impregnated, not allowed to have an abortion, forced to carry that child and the rapist has custody and visitation rights to the child born.

Oh yeah - and that a doctor who performs an abortion on the pregnancy from rape will get more years in prison than the rapist....

Having a really hard time believing this shit is happening in the 21st Century of the United States...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:19 AM

22. Yep +1,000

That and the linked invasion of church on matters state

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:29 AM

25. ++

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:18 AM

21. False comparison

Trump was given the nomination before he put kids in cages.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:26 AM

23. How are those two things related?

In one case, an individual was unable to control nicotine cravings and broke the law to appease them. In the other, the government is doing immoral things to make some sort of point.

I'm a smoker. However, I have no problem with laws that prohibit smoking on planes. I can sit there for a few hours without smoking. If I couldn't, I could use an oral nicotine product. What I wouldn't do, though, is violate any laws regarding smoking on airplanes.

Recently, I took a flight on a leased plane that still had ashtrays in the armrests. That reminded me of how smoky planes used to be during flights. I don't mind not smoking on airlines.

There's no comparison between those two things. Sorry.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:37 AM

27. TFW you JUST gotta post something...anything...

That is one hell of a reach

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:37 AM

28. Conflating the inconvenience

someone might feel by not being allowed to vape on an airplane and the pain, suffering and life long emotional damage of being ripped from your parents and kept in a cage is ridiculous. 🙄

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:40 AM

29. Disrupting the flight crew is punishable by law,

you could cause a crash!

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:50 AM

31. Addiction makes people post silly things. nt

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Response to Codeine (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:21 PM

42. I am a nonsmoker, so sorry your theory is wrong.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:37 AM

38. File under: I can't believe you can get arrested for jaywalking

while people are dying of hunger.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:16 PM

39. What connects attempting to smoke/vape on an airplane and tRump

is the elitist sense of privilege that the laws don’t apply to you.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:23 PM

43. Oh please stop. This post is not about vaping. It was meant to be about the extremes we are living

in these days.

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:41 PM

45. But there is no linear connection between the two extremes you mentioned.

It appears that hardly anyone gives a shit about the person banned by one airline for vaping in the plane's restroom. Some are saying he deserves it. So that doesn't even qualify as an extreme.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:51 PM

47. The poster was replying to him/herself

at #43. Ah well.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:08 PM

49. I think being banned from flying is extreme. If that is acceptable, then all drunk drivers should

never be allowed to drive again. I just don't feel the punishment fits the crime. Arrest the person, they can go to jail, make them pay fines, but I feel this being banned from flying is severe.

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:39 PM

55. Presumably they're only banned from that airline.

And yes, people with DUIs should be banned from driving. It’s insane that they aren’t.

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:43 PM

56. Drunk drivers should be banned from ever driving again

I've never driven drunk, never will, and have never driven with anyone knowingly drunk. It is no different than driving down a road and firing a machine gun at your fellow drivers.

However, re: your OP? Sorry it didn't go like you wanted it to.

Epic

Fail

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:23 PM

53. It's against the rules to smoke or vape on an airplane in every country I've ever flown in.

He wasn’t banned from FLYING, just from that airline for petes’s sake.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:43 PM

57. a couple years ago, I vaped on a plane. I got a "airline traffic ticket" and they took my vape awa

for the rest of the flight and had to pick it up at the desk in the terminal when we landed.



I saved the ticket. It is in my scrap book

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:56 PM

59. Did you not realize

or did you not care?

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Response to Codeine (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:58 PM

60. did not know

I wasn't blowing it anywhere that is what I thought the issue was.

Now I just take a dab of liquid and put it in my cheek

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #60)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:05 PM

71. You know you can get nicotine gum, right?

That’s one hell of a habit there.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #71)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

73. I am trying to quit all nicotine. I haven't had a real cig in 6 years. I started at 32 strength wh

when I started vaping and now am down to 3. I hope by the end of the summer I am not doing anything!

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:06 PM

63. This OP reminds me of the time a local university restricted beer sale hours on campus

and some students staged a sit-in where they sang “ We Shall Overcome” and “All we are saying, is GIVE BEER A CHANCE!!!”

And I thought, “Really?”

I just read this OP and, again thought, “Really?”

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #63)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:20 PM

65. Some people choose weird hills upon which to die. nt

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Response to Codeine (Reply #65)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:28 PM

66. Yup

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #63)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

72. Following the example of their philosophical forebears from Flanders?

From http://charity.tarvalon.net/index.php?title=World_Tour:_Ghent,_Belgium

[...]

The spirit of Ghent alive and drinking!
November 16th, 1949.

The student body of the Ghent University rises up and literally takes control and occupies the Gravensteen Castle in protest (as was believed by many at the time) against the raising of the price on beer. Not only were these students outraged by the nerve of the city officials to even think of such a horrific thing, but they were said to be equally shocked and outraged at the announced new headwear the Police would be wearing from then on. The head wear would namely change from a very outstanding white to a more subtle blue, which would make it more difficult for people to see the cops coming. The Ghent students had organised a grand 'coup' including students from universities all over the country, who all came to the call of their brothers and sisters in need.

It took the Fire Department, the entire Police Corps ànd the National Guard to take back the Castle from the students.

Public opinion was so fierce that the officials were helpless and not one student was charged in any way or form and to this day, the Student Occupation of the Gravensteen Castle is seen as the biggest and best student prank in the history of the city.

[...]

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:07 PM

64. That's

a WTF moment.

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:04 AM

75. K&R

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Response to vsrazdem (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:09 AM

76. A non issue...

vaping on an airplane is dangerous to all on board, take a nicotine pill and relax.

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