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Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:44 AM

WHY do I *keep* saying the kGOPb ***RIGGED*** the 2016 election?

Because they *DID*

Drip, drip, drip: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/9/1863587/-Leaked-voting-machine-passwords-add-to-North-Carolina-s-growing-tally-of-election-security-disasters?utm_campaign=trending

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Reply WHY do I *keep* saying the kGOPb ***RIGGED*** the 2016 election? (Original post)
Baltimike Jun 2019 OP
Botany Jun 2019 #1
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #2
Botany Jun 2019 #4
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #6
Botany Jun 2019 #11
pazzyanne Jun 2019 #23
Botany Jun 2019 #25
pazzyanne Jun 2019 #29
Botany Jun 2019 #30
pazzyanne Jun 2019 #31
Baltimike Jun 2019 #3
MBS Jun 2019 #21
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #5
Baltimike Jun 2019 #7
The_Counsel Jun 2019 #17
pangaia Jun 2019 #14
watoos Jun 2019 #8
llmart Jun 2019 #9
rainin Jun 2019 #20
watoos Jun 2019 #24
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #32
llmart Jun 2019 #10
Baltimike Jun 2019 #12
llmart Jun 2019 #13
MBS Jun 2019 #22
58Sunliner Jun 2019 #15
watoos Jun 2019 #16
cilla4progress Jun 2019 #18
MythosMaster Jun 2019 #19
watoos Jun 2019 #26
Baltimike Jun 2019 #28
dchill Jun 2019 #27

Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:51 AM

1. WHY do I *keep* saying the kGOPb ***RIGGED*** the 2016 election?

Because we have President Trump.

BTW for Russia to have done what they did they needed inside help and they
got that and then some.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:52 AM

2. ..👍🏼

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:57 AM

4. Every newspaper in America was for Hillary and against Trump, all the former Presidents and ...

... families were against Trump and voted for Hillary, statistically Hillary was a lock,
in Florida she had 100,000 vote lead in the early vote, the chairman of OH's republican
party said of Trump he makes my dog vomit, exit polls had HRC winning, and on and on
and yet somehow Trump won?

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:59 AM

6. +1 at minimum Russia empirically change the news coverage of the election

... with their Trump campaign coordinated releases of damaging information against Hillary.

They'll be no doubt doing that again in 2020 with the help of trump

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:06 AM

11. Russian money was also behind "The Apprentice" too in order to sell the idea that Trump was ...

... some kind of billionaire business genius to the rubes when in fact almost all of his
businesses had failed, he had declared bankruptcy multiple times, and by the time of
the Apprentice he was being kept a float by money laundering and loans from Russia,
Saudia Arabia, and China all of which have their hooks into him for billions.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:25 AM

23. It is already happening.

Watch the main stream media reporting already. Cast doubt on this, cast doubt on that, all geared to start rigging the Democratic primary. We are actually aiding and abetting their efforts by our rhetoric.

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:55 AM

25. The media is helping in pushing the lies

Every time I hear about Trump being re-elected I want to scream because he
wasn't elected the 1st time. We have gone from Russia didn't meddle in the
election to yes, Russia tried to meddle but those Russian had no effect on the
out come.

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Response to Botany (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:11 PM

29. ... which we know they did!

I also believe that tRump and cronies collaborated.

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:28 PM

30. Of course they did

Google Trump Campaign/Russia 272.
272 proven contacts between Trump &
Russia and during some of those contacts
Paul Manafort and Rick Gates provided the
GRU or the FSB data analytics that allowed
the Russians to target swing states.

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Response to Botany (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:03 PM

31. No collusion, no collusion!

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:52 AM

3. amen to that...every word spot on. nt

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:15 AM

21. yes, you're right, important point.

And it's THAT (the inside help, the encouragement) that's the real issue here. (And 3 years into this, I continue to be shocked, both by the betrayal and by the continuing attempts by Republicans and Trumpistas to thwart any attempts to do something about it)

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:57 AM

5. K&R, I don't see Republicans winning another election without cheating

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:19 AM

7. They've been inching through on technicalities since theft 2000.

2004- Ken Blackwell Ohio

don't you dare think they weren't doing it in 2008 and 2012 when they were buying all of the voting machines, they just couldn't over come the wave.

2016 was a COUP and we are enduring it now

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:50 AM

17. Exactly. None of This Is New, Folks...

don't you dare think they weren't doing it in 2008 and 2012 when they were buying all of the voting machines, they just couldn't over come the wave.


I'd been saying for years that Obama should have carried Georgia at least once. He certainly should have carried North Carolina in 2012.

The "fix" has definitely been in for a long time...

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:39 AM

14. They never win an presidential election without cheating- not in decades...

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:39 AM

8. The U.S. used to send people

 

to oversee elections in banana Republics. One of the main tools we used was exit polling. Exit polling is much more than just asking people who they voted for, it is a reliable source to verify the authenticity of an election. When exit polling differs from vote counts one can be pretty certain that votes were flipped or not counted. The right has succeeded in pushing the narrative that exit polling isn't reliable, that is a flat out lie.

When people say that there is no evidence that votes were flipped they are telling the truth, voting machines are never pulled out and independently audited. The owners of the machines claim proprietary rights to their software. Think about that. Proprietary rights to 1+1=2.

Democratic voters need to turn out in numbers to overwhelm the rigged voting machines, we can do it, stay strong.

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:55 AM

9. And now doesn't Princess Iwanka have a financial interest in the company that makes voting machines?

n/t

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:11 AM

20. Why are we not talking moreabout exit polls? This is the clear screaming tell that the election was

stolen. There has been a right shift with each election in exit polls. And, the explanations for it always border on comical.

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Response to rainin (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:49 AM

24. The M$M is not our friend

 

it controls the narrative and the new narrative is that all of a sudden exit polling isn't reliable.

On the other hand, I have heard no one come to the defense of exit polling. We need an exit polling spokesperson.

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:20 PM

32. +1

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:56 AM

10. I've been saying that since election night 2016.

And I will continue to say and believe it.

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Response to llmart (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:28 AM

12. truth will out. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:38 AM

13. I do believe that...

however, sometimes it doesn't come out until decades later and long after the crook is dead, so it's not much of a consolation to me. By then, a lot of damage has been done, the crooked offspring will be living the high life, and the rest of us will have already paid the dues.

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Response to llmart (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:18 AM

22. I can still remember that exit poll-vote tally disparity 2004 election

the exit polls were for Kerry, then the results started coming in. I can remember how quiet shock in Larry King's body language as he watched the returns. .

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:42 AM

15. No one should ever think that Putin hacked all those servers to take a look.

They rigged it, and it was not the first. Georgia wiped their servers clean before allowing anyone a look.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:49 AM

16. When was the last time,

 

Florida had a legitimate election? There are a lot of electoral votes there.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:57 AM

18. How do they manage such effective cover up?

I mean the whole thing - coordination or WTF anyone wants to call it, with Russia, and all?

I mean, clearly a mob dynamic. What's it take for mobs to be blown open? Why is this so hard, pervasive, and intransigent?

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:06 AM

19. They own the media

And the message.

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Response to MythosMaster (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:56 AM

26. Exactly,

 

the importance of the narrative cannot be over stated. Plus the fact that the voting machines can be pre-programmed to flip votes, with no machines ever being pulled out and independently audited they will never get outed.

Remember the computer programmer who was flying in to testify about rigging machines, was it for the 2004 election, his small plane crashed and burned on his way to the hearing.

I have been voting into a black hole for years, no paper trail, no nothing, in central Pa. We are supposed to get new voting machines but the Republicans are working to delay them until after the election.

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Response to MythosMaster (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:52 AM

28. this. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:01 AM

27. K&R.

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