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City JournalCountry clubs once served as communal centers for social climbers. Dating to the 1880s, the clubsmodeled on the British aristocracys country housesopened in the bucolic outskirts of industrial cities and towns. For a growing upper-middle-class, wealth permitted entry into this local society. Golf, dormant since the colonial era, became the favored sport for club members; in 1895 alone, more than 100 courses opened. Country clubs would help shape the development of streetcar suburbs, with stately homes lining manicured courses. By the Great Depression, nearly 4,500 country clubs existed across the country.
Throughout the twentieth century, the clubs influence was reflected by its prominent place in American literature. In Zenith it was as necessary for a Successful Man to belong to a country club as it was to wear a linen collar, wrote Sinclair Lewis in his 1922 novel, Babbitt. A decade later, in Appointment in Samarra, John OHara documented how a set of missteps at a country club could destroy a mans social standing. In the 1950s, John Cheevers short stories revealed the centrality of club life to upper-middle-class suburban America. Philip Roths first book, Goodbye, Columbus, sets a New Jersey country club as the stage for exploring class divisions in a youthful romance. John Updikes 1981 Rabbit is Rich offered the country club as a paradise of relaxed indulgence; by 1990, in Rabbit at Rest, the poolside and fairways of the club are shadowed by mortality.
By the early 1960s, shortly after Roths fiction debut, the U.S. had 3,330 clubs, with 1.7 million membersfewer than during the Roaring Twenties, but membership now extended beyond old money. The typical postwar suburb featured several country clubs, divided by ethnicity and class, where young professionals and successful businessmen enjoyed status, exclusivity, and recreation. The prosperous Reagan years yielded even more clubsand baby boomer membersthough concerns started to emerge about changing lifestyles, age-old restrictions, and exorbitant fees. Country clubs responded with family-oriented attractions and cheaper junior memberships for younger people. More than 5,000 clubs operated during the 1990s, and thanks to Tiger Woodss ascendance, the golf market enjoyed a 20-year period of growth.
The Great Recession changed the clubs fortunes. As the Wall Street Journal recently reported, Americans born between 1981 and 1996 are financially outmatched by every generation since the Depression. Despite higher levels of education, millennials have less wealth, less property, lower marriage rates, and fewer children. Annual country club dues, which run in the thousands of dollars, put membership beyond practical reach for many. Leisure for todays younger adults more often involves streaming TV shows in a high-rent city bedroom, not playing 18 holes on a suburban green.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Coventina
(27,057 posts)marble falls
(57,010 posts)susanna
(5,231 posts)I used to be a cook at one. This is exactly what is going on; members don't really want to pay as much anymore.
I didn't last long, to be fair. I never really liked the excess, especially the food. I did learn some advanced garde manger skills, though, so it was worth that at least!
lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)That was where I first learned there were people different from me.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,153 posts)Some things are fine dying away.
Submariner
(12,497 posts)who said a lot of golfers are leaving the sport because it is difficult to get the ball into that little cup on the green, so the GPA is considering installing larger cups to bring back golfers. I've never played golf, but this big cup thing seems almost funny.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
Man, everyone wants to shoot a 70.
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SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:09 PM - Edit history (1)
20 years or so ago he built a 9 hole course on his property. The cups were twice the regulation size, and he had rules like, if you hit a tree, throw the ball where it should have gone since god made trees and he wouldnt want any to mess up your game. He also had Par 5 holes that were 200 yards long (they should be 500 years) so everyone could shoot in the 70s.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)Traveled with Willie in the cart.
trev
(1,480 posts)Isn't that an easier course?
ooky
(8,906 posts)assholes will go now? 🤔
kairos12
(12,842 posts)was a thing to behold. It was foretelling.
underpants
(182,603 posts)Rodney was really only supposed to have a bit part.
trev
(1,480 posts)He once said that movie literally made his career.
genxlib
(5,518 posts)In a world of climate change, we will begin to see water and land use differently. Golf will die because it is not environmentally sustainable in most places.
Fifty years from now, historians and environmentalists will marvel at how we used to waste so much water and land to entertain a few people.
rurallib
(62,379 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)are curated, protected green spaces, something we're running out of?
trev
(1,480 posts)such as walking paths, and I'll agree.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Or the fact that you can walk them or, at some, even play Frisbee golf.
trev
(1,480 posts)But I thought the thread was about private country clubs....
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)Golf courses use a ridiculous amount of water and herbicides just to have nice grass. Let the land revert back to nature as much as possible.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Miami Lakes, FL - Thanks to your support, the Towns submission for the Miami Lakes Par 3 Central Park was selected as a finalist for the Miami Foundations 2016 Public Space Challenge. One of 56 selected finalists from a pool of more than 400 ideas that were submitted, the Town seeks to transform the Par 3 Golf Course, located on the east side of the Palmetto Expressway and south of NW 154th Street, into Miami Lakes Par 3 Central Park.
The 32-acre parcel of land, known as the Par 3 Golf Course, was acquired by the Town through a donation from The Graham Companies. Originally opened in 1963, the 18-hole Par 3 Course is located within prime gathering space of Don Shulas Resort. Our vision is to convert the Par 3 Course into a multi-use central park. Proposed amenities and activities for people to enjoy include walking trails, fitness stations, kids play area, as well as botanical and butterfly gardens.
Strong evidence shows when people have access to parks and contact with the natural world, their physical and psychological health is improved. The availability of parks is an important quality-of-life factor, and the Town intends to continue looking for additional park and recreation opportunities for its residents.
https://www.miamilakes-fl.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=875:par-3-central-park-selected-as-finalist-for-miami-foundation-s-public-space-challenge&catid=8&Itemid=289
Bengus81
(6,928 posts)So the City put everyone on a watering schedule of three days per week max. Well...except for any and all Golf courses,they could water 7 days per week 24hrs per day if they wanted.
You really can't expect the RICH to go golf on browned out fairways and greens now can you.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)for catering outside events and even dinner. Members at the club are expect to frequent them. I see dues are being discounted 20% for 2 yrs.
KG
(28,751 posts)Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,655 posts)Being owned by a crooked president (emoluments) can be quite beneficial to the club.
LisaM
(27,794 posts)Anyone who wanted could pretty much belong, with a recommendation from another member (and membership was not exclusive). While we ourselves did not belong, we could accompany our friends whose families did, and use the pool (ditto for people who wanted to golf). For a long time our town didn't have a public pool (and now there is only one at the high school), so it was the only opportunity for lots of kids to swim in the summer. The golf course (which is still there) was a nice green space that was protected from sprawling development that eventually occurred all around it. We had our senior class party there.
I understand many of the arguments put forth above, but I hope we're not at the point where predatory development swoops in and gobbles up all these spaces, because that is definitely part of this picture. Those companies (many from out of the country) want that land.
I'd prefer to see them remain to the extent that they can, but drop the exclusivity.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)because even though my dad was a doctor, he was also an Italian immigrant...
(winter clubs are country clubs that also have their own skating rinks, in NY at least)
llmart
(15,532 posts)You know - can't have the white, male elitists rubbing elbows with the likes of women or those "others".
Glad this is disappearing.
Submariner
(12,497 posts)In 1960 as a high school freshman, I naively tried to get a caddy job at the local swanky Winchester country club. Everyone heard the tips were great.
After so much frustration getting passed over for the job, I was pulled aside and informed that those caddy jobs were for the rich WASP kids with dad's who were physicians and lawyers, and that as a son of a truck driver living in the blue collar city of Somerville (pronounced by the WASPs as Slummerville) I was just embarrassing myself for even trying. Learned an important life lesson that summer.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)T. Woods hadn't come along and reinvigorated the sport in 2000. I will never understand the adulation and hero worship for this wife-cheating, Agent Orange loving multi-millionaire.
moonseller66
(430 posts)His suggestion or Golf Courses (Country Clubs) starts around 2:35
[link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=AbSRCjG-VLk|
trev
(1,480 posts)Always Randy
(1,059 posts)the air quality in the canals prevented me from going to Florida for winter camping at the Army Corp of Engineers campgrounds. Some needed to wear respirators ---but I decided if that is how I have to spend my vacation in Florida I'll go to Mexico instead. I went to Oaxaca and it was a pretty good replacement. Commercial fishermen have lost their businesses from the toxicity causing fishkill not only from red tide but also from runoff from Okeechobee----looking like guacamole. I am a self-employed real estate professional that has dodged the Country Club bullet ---no golf for me----even though I can play pretty well from my days as a caddy in high school.
Initech
(100,037 posts)There's tee times, course fees, the equipment (and golf equipment gets RIDICULOUSLY fucking expensive), the golf carts, golf balls and so on and so on. With our money all going to the upper 1% how are we supposed to have hobbies?
underpants
(182,603 posts)PJMcK
(21,995 posts)You can buy a good set of golf clubs second-hand for a few hundred dollars. Golf balls can be bought for $15 a dozen. You don't need to rent the motor cart, in fact, the walk is wonderful exercise. The clothing can be bought at discount department stores.
The greens fees for a public course (on NY's Long Island, for example) can cost from $24 and up. At Bethpage State Park, there are five courses, three of which cost $38 to play. If a round of golf takes 4-5 hours, that's about $8-$10 per hour of entertainment and sport. Many people pay far more than that to go watch professional sporting events. Isn't better to be doing something than watching someone else do it?
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Although I will admit I do enjoy playing golf. I'm not any good at it though. Just a public links golfer here.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)trev
(1,480 posts)Those are two of my favorite authors.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)I highly recommend Deception--a very quirky, unusually told story--or any of the Zuckerman books.
For Updike, I'm a big fan of his short stories. Also, the complete Rabbit trilogy (Rabbit, Redux and Rabbit Is Rich) continue the first book in good stead.
lark
(23,061 posts)3 houses down from me was a Swim & Tennis Club. You could be a member for $500/yr or swim or play tennis for $1/game for tennis. Thnk swimming was $1 for 4 hours or $3 for the day. They had a good swim team and the cost of that was $100/year which included competitions! It was great - we went swimming there often and the kids and their dad played tennis. My daughter was on the swim team and it kept her busy all summer. It was great. But one of the Treasurers stole a lot of $$ and the club closed & the swim team along with it. The kids & parents in our area lost a lot when that happened. So sad. It was a true community treasure from 1985 - 2005.
trev
(1,480 posts)worked as a part-time golf course consultant. He told us of one new project in which they had to remove the entire first six feet of soil and replace it with quasi-artificial substances. I immediately changed my major.
panader0
(25,816 posts)and Tucson are a serious drain on the water supply.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)Was my experience. I learned to despise the wealthy doing that.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)We play Saturday mornings at about 7:00 AM on public courses. City courses cost $65 to $75, but hard to get on and about 5 hour rounds. So we step up to the next level and try to pay about $90 which gets us a 4 hour round.
This year we needed to scramble a bit more, pre pay for five or ten rounds. Otherwise the same courses were about $150.
Here is the thing, we used to always have groups in front of us, courses booked solid in the morning. Past couple months there are gaps. Which means they have even more gaps later in the day. Prices havent budged yet though.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I tell ya man, the land it sits on (with an 18 hole course) has got to be worth something on the order of $1B, maybe more. It sprawls throughout the area I grew up in (well, 4-7th grade) and it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL.
We were nowhere near wealthy enough to belong but I had friends who did and I've been there as a guest to swim and play tennis. It's a freaking iconic place, I'd be bummed if ever closed down and got turned in to mansions.
All the OTHER ones in the world ... F-em!
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)IMO, they're the biggest waste of land there is.
To quote Rodney Dangerfield: "I'll buy your crummy snobatorium and build condos on it."
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)Country clubs are private businesses who own their land. They can do anything they want with it.
Public courses provide employment and recreation. The community decides what to do with the land.
Your quote was spoken by Mr. Dangerfield's character, Al Czverik, but written by Harold Ramis, Douglas Kenney and Brian Doyle-Murray.
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)Now there's a blast from the past. In high school and particularly college, The National Lampoon was our laugh track.
DFW
(54,277 posts)As an invited guest of my parents, who were themselves invited guests of someone else.
I vaguely remember decent Sunday brunches and a lot of boredom. I have never played golf, so I sure as hell never played golf at age 12, or whenever that was. Country Clubs could all disappear from the face of the earth, and I'd never notice. I'll bet I'm not the only one on DU to be able to make that statement, either.
As for the WSJ's comment, it's just a generalization, as usual. My two girls were born in 1983 and 1985. The one born in 1983 makes out OK, but lives in Manhattan where taxes and cost of living are exorbitant. Even if she COULD afford a country club membership, she would have neither the time nor the inclination to hang with the sort of people who belong to those things. My younger daughter now lives near Frankfurt, and makes a huge amount of money (not a million a year yet, but more than half that), and even after half going to German taxes, she's more than comfortable. But with her baby daughter and her full-time (more like double time) job, the last thing she would want to do is join one of those things (I don't even know of they have them here in Germany). She and her boyfriend were invited to the baptism of the baby of a friend of theirs in London this past weekend, and didn't have a baby sitter for their 1 year old daughter, so they invited my wife and me to come up to London for Saturday night to babysit (!!!). We said, ummm, sure, and before we could ask about travel arrangements, we got the emails with our plane tickets and hotel arrangements. A little extravagant for a night of babysitting, if you ask me, but it was probably worth more to them than some membership in a country club neither of them would ever have the time for anyway. Between the two of them, they will surpass us in wealth (if the one hasn't already--we never ask) and property (done deal), and probably at least equal us in marriage and children. So much for the Wall Street Journal and its generalizations.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that golf and tennis have not lost popularity in my part of SC, in the Myrtle Beach area. I don't engage in either sport, but my two best friends down there are a golfer and a tennis player, and they each think that they're a bit better than the other guy! My golfer friend is retired, but he took a job working part time at a local golf course, not for the money, but to be able to play for free on his off days.
I think that country clubs are declining because the land they have in the most developed suburbs is just simply too valuable to let people hit balls on vast tracts all day for what must be minimal money compared to what the owners of the club can get by selling the land to developers.
TlalocW
(15,374 posts)Without country clubs, an important institution will be gone that lends cultural understanding when viewing classical works such as, "Caddyshack."
TlalocW
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)All of these are used to marginalize people while elevating the "elite class". They are all sophomoric and useless.
no_hypocrisy
(46,020 posts)I watched him eagerly join our town's country club. It had a clubhouse and a 9-hole golf course.
But it wasn't enough. He waited until the Tuxedo Country Club, arguably the most exclusive club for a while, accepted Jews. Dad practically ran to the front of the line to join. He enjoyed mingling with rich WASP's. He morphed into them by becoming familiar with British authors and upper caste British society. Learned how to play court tennis. Visited exclusive gentlemen's clubs in England. Played golf at St. Andrews.
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)This is from Rick Reilly's new book, "Commander-In-Cheat."
I'm only a few chapters into the book but so far, it's excellent.