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John Dean/Judiciary hearing starting NOW!!!! tune in (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 OP
I just tuned in... Joyce Vance is testifying. Have I missed anyone else? hlthe2b Jun 2019 #1
John Dean was first Siwsan Jun 2019 #2
Damn... How was it? hlthe2b Jun 2019 #3
Interesting Siwsan Jun 2019 #4
He was good for his opening statement BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #6
Dean's expression was priceless, wasn't it? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #10
Basically! BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #12
The Republicans are only revealing their contempt for the Constitution and justice. olegramps Jun 2019 #43
Why was this Heritage guy Malcolm getting a platform? pnwmom Jun 2019 #5
That was my question but probably something ranking member Collins and the GOP members requested. BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #7
Called by the Repubs? Habibi Jun 2019 #8
Repping the obnoxious, haughty pedantism of Federalist Soc/Heritage Foundation judge factory stuffmatters Jun 2019 #69
Barbara McQuade on NOW. elleng Jun 2019 #9
Did you see that cut to Jim Jordan sneering while she talked? nolabear Jun 2019 #11
No, I'm not watching, just listening (thank goodness!) elleng Jun 2019 #13
She never fails to impress. Let's see what they try via "questioning." nolabear Jun 2019 #15
She's great, as is Joyce Vance. elleng Jun 2019 #19
Darn, DirecTV out so watching on DU/UTUBE and he's elleng Jun 2019 #33
Joyce Vance ROCKS... targetpractice Jun 2019 #14
Thanks. demmiblue Jun 2019 #16
C-Span will be repeating this at 8:30 tonight. George II Jun 2019 #36
What channel is c-span on Roku? Baitball Blogger Jun 2019 #17
As long as public media outlets do not Skidmore Jun 2019 #18
IIRC, back during Watergate, the networks weren't interupting the soaps all day to show hearings BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #21
Correct. murielm99 Jun 2019 #39
Me too BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #40
C-Span is not what it it used to be, dammit. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #63
I just use the search on their archive site BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #76
We had am and pm newspapers back then. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #75
Here in Philly, we had the morning and evening Bulletin BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #77
It's on Youtube! n/t shanti Jun 2019 #20
lots of places online just is not being televised except cspan 3 I wonder if they would block out mucifer Jun 2019 #25
1 now has it on. True Blue American Jun 2019 #52
Gohmert is a piece a shit. a kennedy Jun 2019 #22
Gohmert is such an ass EleanorR Jun 2019 #23
He's spewing some serious shit here malaise Jun 2019 #24
I'm having to refresh this video every 10 seconds or less! Baitball Blogger Jun 2019 #26
I gave up phatkatt Jun 2019 #27
no issues here EleanorR Jun 2019 #28
Gym Jordan, here we go! shanti Jun 2019 #29
all these repubs make me sick...... a kennedy Jun 2019 #31
Assholes on parade. spanone Jun 2019 #32
Gym Jordan is making an ass of himself MontanaMama Jun 2019 #30
The American public should know that John Dean is a REPUBLICAN BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #34
He get off smelling guys sweaty jock straps. olegramps Jun 2019 #41
John Dean is making a total FOOL out of Matt Gaetz! George II Jun 2019 #35
John Dean owned Gaetz. blue neen Jun 2019 #37
And Dean summed it up, when Nadler asked Dean if he wanted to answer Gaetz' last question..... George II Jun 2019 #38
Compared with John Dean these teabaggers malaise Jun 2019 #42
I'm going to be a Debbie Downer here, watoos Jun 2019 #44
But the republicans are making fools of themselves doing so. Goehmert and Gaetz... George II Jun 2019 #46
The Republicans look silly doing their clown show BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #48
Ted Lieu just DIRECTLY quoted trump at the hearing! "I'm fucked!" George II Jun 2019 #45
Fucking MSNBC & CNN lillypaddle Jun 2019 #47
I am going to see about contacting it's producers.. triron Jun 2019 #65
Send a tweet to @msnbc @cnn lillypaddle Jun 2019 #68
Watching the GOP and their exchanges with their Heritage Foundation witness I got a flashback blogslut Jun 2019 #49
What a day! C-Span is now covering this hearing AND C-Span3 is covering the Rules Committee..... George II Jun 2019 #50
Yeah BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #53
You? How about Jamie Raskin? He's been running back and forth between the two. George II Jun 2019 #54
LOL BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #56
As was readily predictable, none of the major networks are carrying this, not even MSNBC. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #51
A large percentage of adults don't watch cable news. Kaleva Jun 2019 #57
If they were impeachment hearings, they'd be on regular broadcast networks. nt SunSeeker Jun 2019 #61
No they wouldn't. BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #62
I disagree. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #64
They would be on during The Price Is Right, Dr. Oz and General Hospital EffieBlack Jun 2019 #66
No, not the same thing as breaking into prime time programming. nt SunSeeker Jun 2019 #71
During Watergate, only PBS ran the hearings during the day BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #67
Everyone has PBS. That would get a lot more eyeballs than the Judiciary web feed. nt SunSeeker Jun 2019 #72
Then you must be really pleased that PBS covered it live today. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #73
The PBS station here in LA certainly didn't carry it all day. Maybe snippets during their News. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #78
That's if you can keep the GOP from trying to defund it. BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #74
I agree, watoos Jun 2019 #58
Yup. That Heritage Foundation stooge would not be at an impeachment investigation hearing. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #60
looks like CSpan will have it tonight starting at 8:30 NJCher Jun 2019 #55
Are all the Dems freezing out Ratcliffe? blogslut Jun 2019 #59
So grateful, dixiegrrrl, for your post. I wasn't finding it uninterrupted & complete elsewhere. stuffmatters Jun 2019 #70

hlthe2b

(102,188 posts)
1. I just tuned in... Joyce Vance is testifying. Have I missed anyone else?
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jun 2019

MSNBC would not leave the helicopter crash (yes, of course, I'm sorry about that but once the initial facts are reported can updates not come through chyron?

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
6. He was good for his opening statement
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jun 2019

He was comfortable in telling his brief story given he was there in the WH and Counsel for a President. And interestingly enough, when Collins, who was 8 years old during Watergate, was excoriating the hearing, the camera switched to Dean and Dean was looking at him with a smirk on his face like someone would look at any 8 year old mouthing off.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
10. Dean's expression was priceless, wasn't it?
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jun 2019

“You might want to just sit down and be quiet, son.”

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
7. That was my question but probably something ranking member Collins and the GOP members requested.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jun 2019


He's a smarmy idiot.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
69. Repping the obnoxious, haughty pedantism of Federalist Soc/Heritage Foundation judge factory
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jun 2019

Their legal brand of condescension, loopholerism, and faux outrage predictable and delivered.

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
11. Did you see that cut to Jim Jordan sneering while she talked?
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jun 2019

Really unusual for C-SPAN to do that. He looked just like the creep he is.

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
15. She never fails to impress. Let's see what they try via "questioning."
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jun 2019

I don’t mind any actual questions but those speeches make me want to scream.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
14. Joyce Vance ROCKS...
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jun 2019

She has a super-precise and measured manner of speaking, yet she is deadly powerful with her words.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
18. As long as public media outlets do not
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:05 PM
Jun 2019

carry this, the majority of Americans still won't hear about the report. CSPAN just cut to a House debate. Most people don't get CSPAN3.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
21. IIRC, back during Watergate, the networks weren't interupting the soaps all day to show hearings
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:20 PM
Jun 2019

PBS was the primary one showing them (which was channel 12 here in Philly plus they ran the audio on the public radio channels) and this was all before CSPAN or any of the cable news shows existed (CSPAN came along in 1980). The networks may have shown some of it and rotated who would cover even that (and would show blips during the evening news broadcast) but they weren't blanketed across television.

murielm99

(30,724 posts)
39. Correct.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:09 PM
Jun 2019

And the PBS stations reran the hearings in their entirety in the evening. I stayed up as late as I could stand. We couldn't tape things back then.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
40. Me too
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jun 2019

and mainly because my political science major Mom was closely following it. I was in 7th grade at the time and going to a "magnet" school downtown so on occasion I would have my little transistor radio with me and would listen to it (boring yes.... ) on the way home on the train (it ran on 90.9 WHYY radio here in Philly).

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
63. C-Span is not what it it used to be, dammit.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jun 2019

Now it is hard to navigate to find old videos, and way more Republican point of view.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
76. I just use the search on their archive site
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jun 2019

I think they pretty much have everything going back to 1980 including many many panel discussions from think tanks, etc.

My Mom was a CSPAN junkie and would complain about "Brian" (Lamb, who founded it and used to host many of the call-in programs but is now retired) "having his foot on the call cutoff button" (on the floor) whenever a Democrat called.

Looks like they updated it but you can put a subject in the search box and all the hits come up for whatever they have on the subject - https://www.c-span.org/about/videoLibrary/

It's such an incredible resource!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
75. We had am and pm newspapers back then.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jun 2019

the Seattle Times and the Seattle Post Intelligencer ( HEARST)
Plus Cronkite at 6:30 on the tv.
I was a stay at home Mom then. so could read the papers and see the news on tv, it was covered pretty well for the times.For some reason, I did not tune into PBS for the hearings, not sure then that I knew they were on.

I just knew that I found everything about Nixon repulsive, even as a young kid back in 1952 when I saw his Checkers speech esp.that the adults were watching.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
77. Here in Philly, we had the morning and evening Bulletin
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jun 2019

And really, I think most people were NOT "tuning in" unless they were political junkies. I know the current media like to play it up as if it was "must watch television" akin to the Super Bowl, but it was like most hearings - pretty mundane and droning.... but covering some extraordinary circumstances.

My Mom would have been 89 this year and she had been a stay-at-home mother but also had degrees in political science and history so she was very much interested. The one sad thing though - during that July was when my Dad died, so for a time, the hearings and other investigations became a backdrop for a more immediate familial drama. But I do remember sitting with her watching Nixon's resignation speech that August and wishing my Dad had been there to see that.

mucifer

(23,521 posts)
25. lots of places online just is not being televised except cspan 3 I wonder if they would block out
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jun 2019

impeachment hearings too?

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
34. The American public should know that John Dean is a REPUBLICAN
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jun 2019

who was appointed by and served under a REPUBLICAN President!

Gym Jordan belongs in jail.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
41. He get off smelling guys sweaty jock straps.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:19 PM
Jun 2019

I have always been suspect of the macho guys. They protest too loudly by their overt attempt to appear manly. The phony investigation of the whole affair was a coverup by the university administration to protect it from more lawsuits. I know that I will be criticized but I would love to see someone knock him on his ass.

George II

(67,782 posts)
38. And Dean summed it up, when Nadler asked Dean if he wanted to answer Gaetz' last question.....
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jun 2019

...."That was a speech, not a question, and I don't have enough time to address it!!"

(paraphrasing it, but pretty close)

malaise

(268,844 posts)
42. Compared with John Dean these teabaggers
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jun 2019

are total and complete light weights - this is so much fun watching him destroy them

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
44. I'm going to be a Debbie Downer here,
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jun 2019

Democratic members are repeating facts that came from the redacted Mueller report, McQuade and Vance are doing a fine job explaining the redacted Mueller report but...

Republicans are using this hearing to do what I said they were going to do. They are formulating their conspiracy theory, most of which is lies, about how the crooked FBI, the partisan FBI went on a witch hunt against Trump, Republicans are pushing the lies that Hillary conspired with Christopher Steele to concoct his dossier paid for by Hillary to smear Donald Trump.

Republicans were given a stage to concoct what Barr is going to report from his investigation that the crooked FBI and Hillary carried on a witch hunt against Trump.

Democrats are repeating a truthful cut and dried case of Trump's obstruction of justice regarding the firing of Mueller while Republicans are carrying on a separate, full of lies story, about how they are going to defend Trump.

I think this hearing was a mistake, sorry, Republicans got to put out bald face lies with no challenges or rebuttals. To the contrary, they told lies then went to their stooge from the Heritage Foundation to back up their lies.

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. But the republicans are making fools of themselves doing so. Goehmert and Gaetz...
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:46 PM
Jun 2019

....were the most idiotic. And John Dean humiliated both of them.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
48. The Republicans look silly doing their clown show
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jun 2019

It's obvious that they are afraid and so are trying to make a joke out of it and Dean's 1-liners are shutting them down effectively. They all keep yielding their time to an alleged perp because they know they are fucked and can't or won't put on the performance that they have been told to engage in.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
68. Send a tweet to @msnbc @cnn
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:59 PM
Jun 2019

I'm not sure about general programming. I know each show has its own producers.

blogslut

(37,990 posts)
49. Watching the GOP and their exchanges with their Heritage Foundation witness I got a flashback
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 04:58 PM
Jun 2019

of Selectric typewriters and letter size and "that other board" and god, I'm so tired.

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. What a day! C-Span is now covering this hearing AND C-Span3 is covering the Rules Committee.....
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:09 PM
Jun 2019

....voting on filing suit regarding the Barr and McGahn subpoenas.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
53. Yeah
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jun 2019

I had to take a bathroom break and when I came back, I continued to watch what was running on CSPAN3 a bit and was like.... wait, what just happened when they were talking about marking up a resolution? Then I switched to CSPAN and there it was.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
51. As was readily predictable, none of the major networks are carrying this, not even MSNBC.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:11 PM
Jun 2019

The general public, the folks we need to reach, are not watching this Judiciary public access feed, just us political wonks.

We would get a lot more network attention if the hearings were actual impeachment investigation hearings.

Neither Mueller nor actual investigation facts witnesses like Don McGahn are here. MSNBC legal analysts are not adequate replacements.

This just emphasizes that the real fact witnesses have ignored our demands to appear. We need to do better. This is not cutting it. It is certainly not an adequate replacement for impeachment investigation hearings.


BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
62. No they wouldn't.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jun 2019

People were bitching when a tornado warning was in effect in the Dayton area tearing up a couple suburban towns and a local Dayton station broke in to interrupt the "Batchelorette" program airing to explain where the danger was.



TEXT
Jon Levine

@LevineJonathan

WATCH: Weatherman @JamieFOX45Now in Dayton, Ohio snapped at viewers complaining on social media about the network's decision to cut into The Bachelorette Monday evening with emergency tornado warning coverage

"I'm done with you people, I really am. This is pathetic"
72.2K
10:21 AM - May 28, 2019



So you can imagine what the hell people (who are even "home" or at some place to even watch such) would do if their network programming was interrupted by "hearings".

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
67. During Watergate, only PBS ran the hearings during the day
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:15 PM
Jun 2019

with networks occasionally rotating some coverage between themselves. They did NOT break away from the soaps to run hearings that the majority of people were not interested in. The viewing public is not "DU". They are not obsessing over the sausage-making of American government.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
78. The PBS station here in LA certainly didn't carry it all day. Maybe snippets during their News.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:40 PM
Jun 2019

We still have a big problem. No Mueller grand jury info. No witnesses. No Mueller. Don't know what your jumpy emoji is for, other than sarcasm.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
58. I agree,
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jun 2019

our witnesses did a good job of explaining what we already knew from the redacted Mueller report.

This was like 2 separate hearings; Democrats repeatedly made the case that Trump obstructed justice while Republicans were given a stage to preview what Barr is going to release from his "investigation." Republicans told so many lies about the Mueller investigation that were never refuted, rather they were confirmed by the Heritage Foundation stooge.

This hearing was a mistake IMO.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
60. Yup. That Heritage Foundation stooge would not be at an impeachment investigation hearing.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jun 2019

The format of these oversight hearings is just not conducive to educating the American public, and certainly does not grab media attention.

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