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Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:36 PM

I am ashamed that elected Congressmen are actually debating whether or not

Trump's asking the White House Counsel to fire Mueller, then asking him to both lie about that request AND create false documentation to support that lie, is a crime.

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Reply I am ashamed that elected Congressmen are actually debating whether or not (Original post)
Atticus Jun 2019 OP
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #1
warmfeet Jun 2019 #10
cwydro Jun 2019 #13
Hortensis Jun 2019 #18
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #19
sellitman Jun 2019 #21
elleng Jun 2019 #2
Ohiogal Jun 2019 #3
defacto7 Jun 2019 #9
ananda Jun 2019 #12
appalachiablue Jun 2019 #14
riversedge Jun 2019 #4
mucifer Jun 2019 #5
Ilsa Jun 2019 #6
Laelth Jun 2019 #7
Ligyron Jun 2019 #15
Duppers Jun 2019 #16
stillcool Jun 2019 #8
Evolve Dammit Jun 2019 #11
VOX Jun 2019 #17
BSdetect Jun 2019 #20
VOX Jun 2019 #22
Vinca Jun 2019 #23

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:38 PM

1. America is gone i think. That we dont have 90% of the country IRATE at the traitor

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:51 PM

10. Yes,

that is my thinking as well. This does not bode well for our future.

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:08 PM

13. Seems many here aren't too irate about it either.

Kinda discouraging.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:08 AM

18. Remember the midterms, very different message. :)

Also that this nation elected Obama twice, something like 11 and 7 years ago now, but the same people and more are here.

Humanity's never been a bunch of patriot saints, and sometimes our worst become dominant.
Not sure we'll get through this latest threat safely, but it's not because we all became scum.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:13 AM

19. Think a lot of people were interested at the point

the report came out. And think many in the press and even some Republicans were waiting to see our reaction. Guess we will never know where we'd be today if we were ready on that day and if we had had a stronger media/messaging plan. Announcing an emergency meeting of all Dem leadership to digest findings with a major primetime news conference set for one week later?

At that point a clear and serious denunciation of Trump's actions, and assertion that those actions were deemed impeachable offenses? An announcement that the Dems would start preparing for an impeachment inquiry? A recap of the other jurisdictions and what they were investigating?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

21. Your premise is good but

20-30% of this country is Bat Shit crazy.

There can be no other explanation.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:40 PM

2. Those damned repugs are so full of it, we'll not survive.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:44 PM

3. The phrase "Elected Congressman"

used to have some vestige of dignity.... not any more.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:56 PM

9. Unfortunately dignity is dying.

Death of Dignity sounds like a good book title. I'd read it.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:07 PM

12. Well, many of them were installed through dark money,

gerrymandering, voter suppression, and hacking.

They weren't actually elected in a free and fair manner.

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Response to ananda (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:09 PM

14. righto

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:45 PM

4. I only turned on the Dem hearing on cspan about 45 minutes ago. I thought Hannity himself was

talking--but it was a Repug from Tx, Radcliff ??? Anyway, I am enjoying listening to Joyce respond
to questions.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:46 PM

5. I am also ashamed the press is ignoring the whole thing with the exception of WaPo

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:51 PM

6. Yep.

Just change it around to "PBO asked the WH counsel to fire the Special Counsel, and also lie about the request and create false legal documentation." Then see what their reaction is.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:17 PM

7. The cowardice that we are seeing from elected Democrats is quite depressing, agreed. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:16 PM

15. Nancy is doing 8th dimensional kung fu, don't ya know?

It's a wing chung, double dare secret too, so shhhh...

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:33 PM

16. ...



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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:19 PM

8. in the Mueller report there was..

a lot of verbiage, or precursors to the accounts of the different individuals. about having knowledge that something was against the law. Seems like a lot of wiggle room in there. But, didn't it seem like every person interviewed expressed that Trump asked them to help him out somehow? Put in a good word, say that he was not under investigation, say that Rosenstein, not he, fired Sessions, etc., etc. And, so many people mentioned Trump saying he was worried because the Russia investigation would make his presidency look illegitimate. The totality of Trumps Presidency is lies told about, and by himself.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:56 PM

11. And as he said today, I'm not leaving (like Nixon did). Doesn't bode well.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:58 PM

17. It's sobering that so many Americans are now very comfortable with (call it what it is) FASCISM.

All the "drown the government in the bathtub" reactionaries now prefer a government that drowns democracy on a daily basis. They love holding power much more than being faithful to the very Constitutional ideals which they crow about. How did America get so petty, so enraged, and so unwilling to be a fair-minded leader on the international stage?

Because one-time "conservatives" transformed themselves into right-wing radical nationalists. The entire Republican Party (which has been teetering toward fascism since Nixon) finally got completely sucked into a black hole of anti-democracy, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and hatred of POC, women, and LGBTQ folk, etc. The far-right-wing media has played a huge part in this demolition-derby by stoking fear and rage on a daily basis for the past 30-plus years.

Merriam-Webster's definition of fascism:
Often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

From the Encyclopaedia Britannica's entry on fascism:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Neofascism
In the second decade of the 21st century, right-wing populist and neofascist parties and movements in western Europe enjoyed a surge of popularity, fueled in part by a large influx of Muslim immigrants following the Arab Spring revolts in 2010–11 and, in some countries, by continued resentment of the European Union (EU). Although Muslims in Europe nowhere became a majority of voters, they increased their numbers substantially. In France the FN, now led by Le Pen’s daughter Marine Le Pen, advanced for only the second time to the second round of that country’s presidential elections in 2017 (she was defeated by the centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron). In Germany in 2017, the far-right party Alternative for Germany (Alternative für Deutschland; AfD), which had adopted an overtly anti-Islamic platform, won nearly 13 percent of the presidential vote in national elections, and by the following year it was the second most popular political party in Germany, after the Christian Democrats.

At about the same time, a wave of right-wing populism in the United States led, in 2016, to the unexpected electoral victory of Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump. His campaign had stoked hostility toward Muslim and Mexican immigrants. Trump promised to suspend immigration from Muslim-majority countries because of the threat of terrorism; to build a wall along the country’s southern border to prevent the illegal immigration of Mexicans; and to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, the great majority of whom had come from Latin America. Among Trump’s supporters were white supremacists—including members of the Ku Klux Klan—self-described “white nationalists,” and neo-Nazis, none of whom he disavowed. Indeed, members of those groups became more outspoken as Trump’s campaign gained momentum and especially after his election in November, believing, with some justification, that their ideas were finally gaining a place within mainstream political discourse. In the immediate aftermath of Trump’s election and during the first year of his presidency, reported hate crimes directed at minorities—including Hispanics, Muslims, and Jews—increased significantly.

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Response to VOX (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:17 AM

20. Clearly cultural advances are no match for simplistic slogans like MAGA

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:43 AM

22. That, and voting against one's own economic interests, time after time.

Like shutting down women’s access to healthcare, and really calling out the “godless liberal indoctrination” found in scientific research and education.

Yes it’s but reality is extremely surreal at the moment.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:05 AM

23. If I had the time and means, I'd edit the Mueller Report and change the name Trump to Obama.

I'd have it bound and looking like a regular book and send it to all the GOP politicians in the country. It blows your mind to think of all the "what if Obama" things that have happened. Imagine Obama talking about his love letters from the North Korean dictator.

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