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Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:50 PM

I Think Meat Companies Should Be Fined For Massive Recalls

once again Tyson has to recall chicken products because of plastic found in the chicken. 90,000 lbs of it. Last week it was 30,000 lbs because of salmonella. It is such outrageous waste due to a lack of diligence. We have hungry people everywhere and the footprint/use of resources to bring chicken to the point where they can be sold is vast. And it's not just Tyson...50,000 here 100,000 there. Unfreakin' believable.

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Reply I Think Meat Companies Should Be Fined For Massive Recalls (Original post)
Me. Jun 2019 OP
mucifer Jun 2019 #1
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #2
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #11
Codeine Jun 2019 #3
japple Jun 2019 #5
htuttle Jun 2019 #8
FBaggins Jun 2019 #4
TwilightZone Jun 2019 #6
cwydro Jun 2019 #7
hunter Jun 2019 #9
Me. Jun 2019 #10
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #12

Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:53 PM

1. They will continue to get more subsidies. No subsidies for veggies and fruits it sucks

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:56 PM

2. NO! They are already incurring losses from such recalls (as they should), but which are voluntary.

We do not want them to be even MORE reluctant to recall, leading to more people being exposed and potential risk. Right now, the potential of major costly lawsuits for those harmed by a contaminated product provides sufficient impetus to industry to voluntarily recall in most (not all) cases.

Virtually no food recall in recent years has been the result of mandatory order and in this RW-controlled decades of anti-regulation that is not likely to change. Rather, USDA, FDA and CDC generally collaborate with their data that implicates the industry as the source and by doing so, convince the companies to voluntarily issue the recall. Thus, we have to make sure that on balance the impetus remains on the industry to do so voluntarily without major delays. Right now, the cost-risk-benefit weighs toward doing the right thing... Adding fines, while it sounds like the right thing to do, might, in changing that calculus, deter industry from taking rapid and appropriate action.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:34 PM

11. That makes sense

The cost of the recall and the negative publicity of it are plenty damaging enough. Perhaps losing government contracts, such as for school lunch programs and prisons can be considered, too.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:56 PM

3. If you want a system

wherein an animal can be fed, housed, watered, medicated, collected, killed, prepped, cleaned and gutted, butchered, packaged, boxed, shipped, distributed, (with profit being demanded every time it changes hands during this process) and then finally sold for the cheap price people demand with chicken then you have to accept that corners are going to be cut a nearly every step of the way. Thatís just math.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:10 PM

5. And then you really have to wonder why it is as cheap as it is. With

every station along the supply chain demanding profits, it seems that ground beef would cost $10 per pound.

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Response to japple (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:51 PM

8. Free range or pasture raised local ground beef does cost about $10/pound

Something like 9.25/lb or so, last time we bought local pasture-raised ground beef. That's what food costs when it's done right nowadays, and thankfully the farmer is getting a giant share of it.

Then again, it was fresh enough, and lean enough, that I'd be happy to eat it raw on a slice of rye bread with onions (it's the food of my people here in central WI). Though not in front of my wife. She's horrified by the idea.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:57 PM

4. They are

They have to buy all of that chicken back and destroy that which hasn't been sold...

... plus the PR impact.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:40 PM

6. Nah.

I think it would make them less likely to voluntarily recall products. The cost of the recalls and the PR hit are plenty, if the alternative is that they're less likely to proactively recall products.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:48 PM

7. If people knew what went on in those factories, they'd never eat chicken again.

Itís beyond horrid.

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:59 PM

9. I think I'll pass on Tyson chicken.

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It's not the plastic that bothers me, it's the factory farm meat.

I am of course a hypocrite because I don't expect our dogs to be vegetarians and I don't really know the origins of their Costco kibble. I prefer not to think about it.

I do know that when my great grandmas wanted to serve chicken for dinner they'd go out into their yards and pick one or two chickens out, usually chickens who weren't laying many eggs anymore, or mean chickens.

It's said the husky dogs (we have one) are cuddly creatures because the mean dogs were eaten. He looks a bit like a wolf but he has nothing bad to say about humans, even having suffered the first three years of his life chained in a yard, abused and neglected by ignorant humans.

My great grandmas' chickens were generally nice, even the few roosters they allowed to live.

I've eaten many animals I've seen alive, and killed a few myself, which is why I'm mostly vegetarian.

The last animal I killed and ate was a fish. I won't say it deserved to die like a mean chicken, but it was quite tasty.

Mean people, if they should ever turn the world to shit, should never forget they are made out of meat.

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Response to hunter (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:04 PM

10. +1

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Response to Me. (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:37 PM

12. How do you feel

about the produce companies that sell plant-based foods which are recalled due to bacterial contamination? Or is your outrage only limited to meat producers?

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