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Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:59 PM

I just got off the phone with a young guy from the DLCC asking for a donation. So I told him

Last edited Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:40 AM - Edit history (1)

that I was only giving to individual candidates till the DNC decides to hold a debate devoted to climate change.

And he didn't even try to change my mind. He twice said he was "right with you." And he told me about the website for the DLCC, so I'm going to try to leave another comment there.

P.S. I sent a message to the DNC last week and they never replied.

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Reply I just got off the phone with a young guy from the DLCC asking for a donation. So I told him (Original post)
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wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #1
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wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #11
pnwmom Jun 2019 #12
GemDigger Jun 2019 #25
pnwmom Jun 2019 #26
GemDigger Jun 2019 #27
pnwmom Jun 2019 #28
GemDigger Jun 2019 #31
pnwmom Jun 2019 #32
GemDigger Jun 2019 #33
pnwmom Jun 2019 #34
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GemDigger Jun 2019 #37
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The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #4
pnwmom Jun 2019 #8
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #5
PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #6
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #14
PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #23
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #38
pnwmom Jun 2019 #9
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #15
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Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #17
pnwmom Jun 2019 #19
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OneBro Jun 2019 #7
betsuni Jun 2019 #10
Stinky The Clown Jun 2019 #13
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #18
True Blue American Jun 2019 #51
RandySF Jun 2019 #29
pnwmom Jun 2019 #30
RandySF Jun 2019 #39
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:03 PM

1. All Dems support climate change legislation.

It would be boring to watch Dems try to out climate change each other.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:06 PM

3. You wouldn't make a claim like that if you had any inkling how complicated

and challenging the problem is, touching on almost every aspect of our lives.

The public must be educated about this, even many Democrats.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:54 PM

11. So what is a debate between Dem candidates going to do

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:58 PM

12. It will expose millions of Americans who don't read the newspaper and didn't learn

about climate change in high school to a lengthy, serious discussion of the multitude of effects of climate change and the candidate's various plans on how to combat it.

And the deadly seriousness of the issue will be demonstrated by the fact of the DNC allocating a whole debate to the topic.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:52 PM

25. If those millions of Americans who don't know about climate change by now, they never will.

If they don't read the newspaper and they don't watch tv, they sure as hell aren't going to catch debates. How are you going to connect with them?

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:58 PM

26. Lots of people watch TV who won't read newspapers. And the debates will be televised.

People are more likely to tune in to the debates than they are to some random show about climate change.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:03 AM

27. "Lots of people watch TV who won't read newspapers" Then those people know about climate change.



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Response to GemDigger (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:04 AM

28. You've got to be kidding. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

31. At least 200 people on DU have tried to explain to you why they don't think it would work

or why it would be right for this and not the other JUST AS SERIOUS issues we are facing. They have done it in numerous ways. Some were very eloquent and some were more to the point. In all this, your point of view has not even changed one single bit. You are phrasing it the same today as you did 4 or 5 days ago which tells me you are NOT listening to the 200+ people who have been trying to have a discussion with you. Which means it is not a discussion at all.



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Response to GemDigger (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

32. The other issues will be unfixable if this planet becomes unlivable. At least a dozen of the

Presidential candidates agree with me that there should be a debate devoted to climate change, including Elizabeth Warren, Jay Inslee, and Bernie Sanders. So at least they understand, even if some DUers haven't grasped the seriousness yet.

And they are smart enough to know that just because people watch TV, doesn't mean they have learned about climate change.


https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/06/jay-inslee-says-he-may-defy-the-dnc-on-a-climate-change-debate/

The progressive campaign to pressure the DNC to hold its first-ever sanctioned climate change debate first took shape in April. I originally reported that a number of groups, including Friends of the Earth, Credo Action, Greenpeace, Sunrise Movement, and 350.org, planned to ramp up the pressure on the DNC to finally devote the primetime opportunity to an issue that got short-shrift in the last cycle. Since then, about a dozen candidates, including Inslee, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Beto O’Rourke have joined the call.

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The reaction to this announcement was swift and critical. On Twitter, Al Gore called it a “mistake to refuse to hold a #ClimateDebate.” Elizabeth Warren chimed in with her disappointment: “Gov. Inslee is exactly right. Climate change is the biggest challenge we face. Every candidate running for president should have a serious set of policies to address it, and should be eager to defend those proposals in a debate.”

Inslee and the climate activists angling for more debates will argue that climate change isn’t as singular a topic as the DNC claims. It is intrinsically linked to the economy and national security—both themes of past DNC-sanctioned debates. Despite that, climate continues to be treated more as a niche issue by major TV networks and party officials.

“The DNC has said they won’t hold a climate debate because climate change is just a single issue,” Prakash says. “Try telling that the families who can’t afford to rebuild after the Camp Fire in California, the farmers in Iowa whose crops have been destroyed by floods, or the black and brown babies in Detroit who can’t breathe. Climate change is not just a ‘single issue’—it’s an existential threat that impacts every aspect of our lives.”

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:29 AM

33. You just proved me right. Either your are not listening to any of us or you don't give a shit

about anyone's opinion but your own.

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:39 AM

34. I am listening to the scientists, as well as Warren, Inslee, Sanders, Castro, O'Rourke

and others.

I am less interested in what random DUers say, since so many of them seem to be uninformed.

Try reading. You could start here, if you're not too afraid.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans-annotated.html?gtm=top

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:40 AM

35. Oy!

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:43 AM

36. As I thought, you wouldn't bother reading a serious article, annotated

with sources.

And yet you expect most people would have already learned everything important about climate change just from watching TV.

That's much of what is wrong with our country, in a nutshell.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

37. !

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:05 PM

2. I am giving money to individual candidates as well.

But I will not hold back any money I can give due to any one issue I feel strongly about, like climate change, a woman's right to choose, and healthcare. There is so much at stake this time, we need to elect democrats without any litmus test. If I can help in any small way I will. I give to individual candidates because I don't know how the DNC and DLCC will spend my money. I have sent money to Planned Parenthood, Emily's List and the Sierra Club in order to help causes I believe in.

This is just me, I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:08 PM

4. I'd like to see such a debate, too, but what if

other candidates want debates on other topics that are important to Democrats, like abortion, health care, gun control, economic equality, LGBT rights, racism in policing, etc.? How is the DNC supposed to decide which of these issues deserve debates and which do not? It seems to me that town halls are better vehicles for addressing particular topics.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:34 PM

8. I've never taken this position before but climate change will make our planet unlivable

during our lifetime, so I'm making an exception. Those other issues can be covered in the 11 other debates. None are as important as trying to save the planet.

According to Mother Jones, at least a dozen candidates, including Inslee, Warren, O'Rourke, Castro, and others are calling for such a debate. The DNC should listen.

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/06/jay-inslee-says-he-may-defy-the-dnc-on-a-climate-change-debate/

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:12 PM

5. In the end

 

that will only help the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:23 PM

6. When we see the Democratic party leadership shooting itself in their feet,

alienating their voter base, and marginalized new talent, what do you suggest? To do nothing is enabling.

All we have is our money, our vote, and how we interact with others and live our lives.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:19 PM

14. Still only helps the GOP nt

 

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:43 PM

23. Explain your opinion.

My opinion is that the Democratic leadership enables the GOP and I am asking you what is to be done.

Time and time again I see the Democratic party self-destruct and ignore opportunity to do better.

What is to be done?

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:52 AM

38. Not helping Democrats

 

only helps the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:37 PM

9. I don't think any Democratic voter will be put off by a discussion of climate change.

The denialists will vote for Trump no matter what.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:20 PM

15. No but

 

it still only helps the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:23 PM

16. It won't help the GOP if we highlight our commitment to fighting climate change,

an issue that is especially important to the young people whose world is being threatened.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:25 PM

17. Maybe

 

But there are better ways to make that point rather than in a way that will definitely help the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:26 PM

19. You keep repeating yourself without ever explaining why that would help the GOP. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:33 PM

21. I think you can figure that out. nt

 

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:45 PM

22. No, there's no logical reason that would be the case. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:56 AM

40. If you're not helping Dems

 

you are helping the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:12 AM

42. It would help Dems because it would convince young voters -- those whose lives could be ruined

by climate change -- that the Dems are on their side, recognize the seriousness of the problem, and will be working hard to solve it.

It would also help convince older voters who care about their children, grandchildren, and future generations.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:24 AM

43. In your opinion

 

but in reality, you're helping the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:30 AM

44. Warren, Inslee, Sanders, Castro, O'Rourke and others disagree with you. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:40 AM

45. Maybe

 

but you are just helping the GOP.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:45 PM

24. It isn't nearly as obvious as you profess.

If you have it figured out, please explain with some detail.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:56 AM

41. Yes it is

 

if you are not blinded by your bias.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:26 PM

7. Thanks for the post!

The DNC continues to fight the RNC on a myriad of complicated and not-so-complicated issues, but generally with half the RNC budget. As one might guess, the funding disparity results in a disparity in ad-buys, grass-roots organizing, often with predictable results.

Your post reminded me that sending funds NOW to the DNC is critical because early dollars are worth so much more than “emergency” dollars two-weeks before elections.

I’d sure as hell be making demands with a $1 million donation, but for my $100, all I’m asking is that they do whatever the fuck they need to do to get Democratic majorities, and your post has inspired me to send an extra $100 drop for our proverbial DNC bucket.

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Response to OneBro (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:44 PM

10. +1

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:15 PM

13. I truly get your sentiment, and am sympathetic, but THIS cycle is NOT the time for this kind of thin

We on the left are TOTALLY on our own. The GOP has their hands in every government backstop. Gerrymandering, cheating, highly skilled vote stealing, corrupt state officials, voter intimidation, voter roll purges, and ongoing Russian (and other) foreign influence are just some of what we're up against.

We need to be supporting (and not blocking) every organization that can stand with us.

The DNC is absolutely not our enemy, even if they didn't answer your communication and even as you withheld money they need because they won't do what you want.

I agree with most of what you post and stay quiet when i don't, but this is the wrong way forward, in my view.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:26 PM

18. Well said nt

 

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:08 AM

51. Thank you for that post

Democrats need to quit complaining at each other over everything.

They need to stick together. Everything mentioned in these posts are important but dwelling on special interests of any kind is what drove many to abandon the party..

We need to emphasize those things that people care about. Global warming is one of them but that is not the only thing people want to hear. Health Care, jobs. Once we win we can start fighting for the things we care about.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:06 AM

29. The DLCC is a worthy cause.

They help state legislative candidates across the country and we desperately need more chambers. But, if you go to their site, they have links to many specific candidates.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

30. Right. They have links to my candidates. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:55 AM

39. Is the DLCC even an arm of the DNC?

I doubt it.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:30 AM

47. Any port in a storm.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:39 AM

48. Both the DLCC and the DNC are on the official website for the Democratic party.

Here is the web page for the DLCC. On the bottom left hand corner it says it's paid for by the DNC.

https://democrats.org/the-democratic-legislative-committee/

Also, the DLCC was founded by some state office holders and the head of the DNC.

The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee (DLCC) is the Democratic Party organization that works to elect Democrats to U.S. state legislatures. The committee was formed after the 1992 elections by a group of Democratic state legislators and then-DNC chair David Wilhelm.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Legislative_Campaign_Committee

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:41 AM

49. They still do good work

They got boots on the ground for a lot of successful legislative elections in 2017 and 2018. I went to the link and saw that the DNC's site is pad for by the DNC and the DLCC's site is paid for by the DLCC.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:25 AM

46. Good!

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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:29 AM

52. waste of time and money .

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:43 AM

53. You showed him

He’ll get right on it.

You know that the DLCC isn’t the DNC right? They help Democrats get elected on the local level. And you’re not donating to the DNC until they hold a debate in your pet issue? That’s a good way of never seeing your pet issue ever get addressed.

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