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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:15 PM

FOX has done to our parents what our parents thought video games would do to us.




Turned their brains to toothpaste

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Reply FOX has done to our parents what our parents thought video games would do to us. (Original post)
NightWatcher Jun 2019 OP
tymorial Jun 2019 #1
Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #2
tblue37 Jun 2019 #3
malaise Jun 2019 #4
Caliman73 Jun 2019 #5
Skittles Jun 2019 #7
Caliman73 Jun 2019 #36
Skittles Jun 2019 #37
Caliman73 Jun 2019 #38
LisaM Jun 2019 #59
machoneman Jun 2019 #48
Maggiemayhem Jun 2019 #60
murielm99 Jun 2019 #6
wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #8
Crowman2009 Jun 2019 #28
pstokely Jun 2019 #44
Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #46
Bradical79 Jun 2019 #47
Maggiemayhem Jun 2019 #61
JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #9
RainCaster Jun 2019 #10
GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #21
RainCaster Jun 2019 #31
GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #34
JHB Jun 2019 #26
Scurrilous Jun 2019 #11
YOHABLO Jun 2019 #12
wryter2000 Jun 2019 #13
Stonepounder Jun 2019 #14
infinite_wisdom Jun 2019 #15
sop Jun 2019 #53
FailureToCommunicate Jun 2019 #16
pazzyanne Jun 2019 #18
ck4829 Jun 2019 #25
FailureToCommunicate Jun 2019 #63
snort Jun 2019 #17
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #19
ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #20
Maggiemayhem Jun 2019 #62
AllaN01Bear Jun 2019 #22
Different Drummer Jun 2019 #23
ck4829 Jun 2019 #24
KPN Jun 2019 #27
kimbutgar Jun 2019 #29
Skittles Jun 2019 #32
kimbutgar Jun 2019 #35
Dawson Leery Jun 2019 #30
Aussie105 Jun 2019 #33
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #41
machoneman Jun 2019 #50
Laelth Jun 2019 #39
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #40
TruckFump Jun 2019 #42
Joe941 Jun 2019 #43
Raster Jun 2019 #45
Pepsidog Jun 2019 #49
hunter Jun 2019 #51
BlueJac Jun 2019 #52
SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #54
DownriverDem Jun 2019 #55
FakeNoose Jun 2019 #56
Ohioboy Jun 2019 #57
DFW Jun 2019 #58

Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:16 PM

1. If only up up down down left right left right b a start

Would grant Democrats unlimited wins

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:23 PM

2. Their viewers are all Stepford wives and husbands.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:30 PM

3. K&R. nt

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:31 PM

4. Good one

Rec

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:35 PM

5. Worse than toothpaste.

It is a bit of apples to oranges but I get with Marshall is saying. My parents actually never said anything about "video games rotting your brain" to me. I played Atari, and spent time at the arcades, but playing video games was never a paramount activity for me. My oldest son played/plays video games as do my younger children. My wife and I try to go out of our way (as I did with my oldest) to make sure that some of the messaging behind video games did not promote unrealistic images about women, violence, etc...

The difference with Fox News is that the specific and sole purpose of Fox News is to alter the reality of its viewers. I mean video games have a message, they almost all and almost always do. You can argue that Grand Theft sends horrible messages about crime, women, etc... Studies have also shown that exposure to those messages can desensitize people to violence if they are particularly vulnerable. Again, the difference with Fox is that it is DESIGNED to indoctrinate viewers to reject any other source of information and to view the conservative viewpoint as the only valid viewpoint. The biggest danger about video games is that they can interfere with other types of activity like physical activities, academic activities (reading, math, science, etc...), and social activities like talking with people face to face, which are necessary to become well rounded people. The makers of Grand Theft Auto are not telling gamers that GTA is the ONLY game they should play and everything else is a conspiracy. That is what Fox does.

I would much rather have a toothpaste brained teen around the house than a completely brainwashed, delusional, person who only watches Fox.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:53 PM

7. I remember when Fox News first came on the scene

it took me less than 30 minutes to realize it was nothing but rightwing garbage....I could see it was propaganda but I did not even think it was very well done. It astounds me that so many fell for it, just like how they were conned by Trump. They are not master manipulaters, it's just that their fans are fucking STUPID

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Response to Skittles (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:16 AM

36. They knew what they were doing.

It had been planned for decades before the actual launch. They had basis in history with Father Coughlin. Though Coughlin would have been considered from the opposite side of the political side than Republicans, he is an example of how mass media could be effective in gathering large audiences.

I don't think that people necessarily "fell for it" but rather, it fit with their preconceived ideas and so they just kept listening. There certainly are people who were more moderate or even left of center who through repeated exposure, probably changed. The documentary "The Brainwashing of My Dad" by Jen Senko illustrated nicely/scarily how her father went from an inclusive moderate Democrat to a hardcore conservative. Even though Fox's viewership is not incredibly large, they are pretty insulated. There was a study that showed that while Democrats typically received their information from an average of 6 sources, something like 77% of Republicans received their information from one source ... Fox News. It is a problem of both source and audience.

I imagine that conservatives felt pretty "under attack" by reality prior to the emergence of Fox News because news was typically reported factually and in a way that had a minimum of bias, however information is information and typically reports on change and progress, which is anathema to conservatives, especially if it means the empowerment of women and minorities. They needed a safe space and Fox gave it to them. It gave them a space from which to say, "See, everything else is liberal and against us, against truth". Democrats live in a complex world which we navigate by consuming as much information as we can. Conservatives want to, and thanks to Fox, can live in a world of black and white, yes or no, right and wrong; which is tailored to their held beliefs.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:37 AM

37. I have to say

if you get all your news from one source, that right there shows your limitations -- how stupid would you have to be? Fox fans are racist assholes who just cannot fathom that the world is actually changing.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:40 AM

38. You are unfortunately correct. They cannot accept that progress and change are inevitable.

It isn't necessarily stupidity, but fear. Prolonged fear does bad things to a person's psyche. Right wingers learned to channel that fear into anger and into an insulated bubble where they and they alone can make sense of a changing world.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:09 PM

59. It's not just change - they refuse to see the world as it is.

The keyword is "world". They don't want to see a wider world. These are insular people.

They don't even want to see the country as it is.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

48. Well said! Black and white it is, gobbling up spoon-fed nonsense and lies about liberals.

Even something as insignificant (in my mind) as the "now we can say Merry Christmas again" shows the depths of Fox-like propaganda these folks eat up every day. Critical thinking is NOT one of the genes any Trumpian inherited either. Better to follow HairLeader than think that what he said is nonsense, a lie, a deceit and more. Oh no, if its on Fox and Trumpy said it, it's Gospel Truth!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:08 PM

60. I also remember when Fox 5 DC first came on the scene

when Murdoch and Ailes took over. News came on at 10 instead of 11. Thatís how they brainwashed the seniors.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:50 PM

6. So no young people watch Fox?

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:56 PM

8. And all parents watch Fox?

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:10 PM

28. NPR & PBS are about as right-wing as I go.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:48 AM

44. they don't watch cable news or even linear TV to begin with

nt

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

46. No.

Not a single one.

That's the takeaway here. Grats. You've sussed it out.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:18 PM

47. Not many -nt

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:10 PM

61. Of course they do

Itís on in every waiting room in America.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:21 PM

9. Doh!

Kick for my personal observation.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:24 PM

10. IMO, Faux News is the venue of the grandparents

You have to be beyond retirement age to believe that shit.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:42 PM

21. If only you were correct.

I know lots of people my age bracket who live by it.

And I am in my young 50s.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:15 PM

31. SHIT! I thought this was over and done with. I'm 60...

and I thought that this shit would be pushed back to those another decade beyond me. It appears that KY and FL have been pushing this idea that foreign dictators are better than our Cheetoh Tweeter.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:31 PM

34. Florida has a unique problem no one realizes.

For every one old white conservative that dies, 2 more move into the state into hellholes like the Villages.

So every year we get out of fresh reinforcement of old white bigots. And I am a white guy rapidly approaching the old category! If not for them, we would be purple to solid blue. Realize these are rich or upper middle class immigrants. And they all vote!

Some people are saying that many also vote in their home states in the Midwest as well. This is voter fraud we need to look into.

But we are doing our part to make the Midwest more Blue. And Obama won here both times. The right democrat can win here.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:55 PM

26. No, you don't. I have relatives well short of retirement who disprove that theory.

There's a kind of dark charisma to the idea that "we know the real deal, unlike those dopes who just go along with what they're told".

That can be very attractive to people who think "things just don't add up" by presenting things in a way that, on first encounter, does seem to explain things. If it stokes their biases and they don't have an inclination to gnaw on it for a while until they notice "that doesn't add up either", they're liable to swallow it whole.

Not exclusive to FOX, but it is the FOX business model.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:24 PM

11. LOL

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:31 PM

12. Depends how old your parents are. My mom and dad are FDR Democrats.

However, my mom, especially, watches MSNBC nightly till after 11:00 pm. She's 85 and is still very lively and active. She knows more of what's going on politically than your average U.S. citizen.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:39 PM

13. OMG

That is so true

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:42 PM

14. I've been playing video games just about since they were first invented.

So, for about 50 years now. I met my wife in a MUD. At the time she was living in KY and I was living in CA. That was over 20 years ago. I love dungeon crawls and hack and slash MMO's. Been playing Elder Scrolls Online for a couple of years now.

And, you know what, I don't own a gun, won't allow one in my home. Am a proud ultra-liberal Democrat.

So video games didn't warp me the way FOX News warps people who watch it!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:50 PM

15. Both my parents

 

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followed the same pattern.

They were sane. They retired. They started watching Fox News. They were no longer sane.

The behavior is the behavior of an addict. If they visit, they immediately ask to turn on Fox News. If I donít, they go behind my back and get sneaky to watch it.

I took my Mom to Hawaii a few years ago. I said we are not going to waste time watching that crap. I wake up at 3 AM and I see her in front of the TV watching Fox News. I bring it up the next day and she denied doing it, even though I stood there watching her doing it.

Last week she told me they investigated Trump and found he did nothing wrong.

Murdock is evil. Those shows are designed somehow someway to be addictive, to stimulate dopamine or whatever so these people have to get their outrage fix.

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Response to infinite_wisdom (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:39 PM

53. Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to America than Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIS

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:57 PM

16. FOX and hate radio have turned friends and family members into strangers..."addicted to anger"...

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"Addicted to Anger" article in the Boston Globe from May:

http://c.o0bg.com/ideas/2019/05/01/are-addicted-anger/SkrH8k390jgtkY0JBObJ0K/story.html

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:26 PM

18. "FOX viewers have turned friends and family members into strangers..."addicted to anger"..."

Add victimhood to that and I'll agree 100%.

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:55 PM

25. A good read

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:35 PM

63. The article really explains so well what we sense is happening to those unfortunate

souls...

letting down their guard, they become... FOX-ified pod people.





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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:09 PM

17. Minty fresh?

I'm in.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:33 PM

19. All joshing aside, very insightful. . . . nt

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:38 PM

20. Parents could set time limits or take away the games

Too bad there is no adult in America who can do the same for Fox.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:14 PM

62. Certain people when they visit their Fox addicted parents

Use the remote to block it.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:44 PM

22. i had a friend of mine who was a regular fan of flush rimshod.

i would play tease him by saying your poor polluted brain.funny thats what they said about rock and roll too also.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:48 PM

23. K&R. n/t

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:54 PM

24. K&R

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:02 PM

27. Ahem ... umm, some parents.

Not all.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:11 PM

29. My Dad died in 1997 but he used to watch Rush in the afternoons.

One day I came over and he didnít have it on and my Dad said he was a crazy fascist racist and wouldnít watch him anymore.

Iím glad he is not alive today to see fat donnie as president. He thought he was a low life scum.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:16 PM

32. a rightwing coworker quit Rush when Rush trashed Chelsea Clinton

He asked, "What kind of man trashes a 12 year old girl?"

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Response to Skittles (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:37 PM

35. Exactly

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:12 PM

30. Murdoch is worse than any Terrorist.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:19 PM

33. Fox

Some people watch Fox because the world is a confusing place and they want some certainty and understanding of the complexity of it all.

Introduce a talking head who tells them what to think, with a layer of 'Trust me, I know what I am talking about!' and they are hooked.

No, it doesn't need to make sense. Just that feeling of comfort, of being on the winning side.

But it's not just Fox.
Some con artists have donned a thin mantle of religiosity and made a fortune out of (mis)leading the sheeple out there.
Sunday morning seems to be the time for them to be on TV.

I've watched a bit of Fox. Makes me want to puke. I get the same reaction when I watch a few minutes of the early Sunday morning evangelicals. Same-Same.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:03 AM

41. ..👍🏼"Just that feeling of comfort, "

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:35 PM

50. I love the fact that RW TV is replete with con artist religious types.....

"But it's not just Fox. Some con artists have donned a thin mantle of religiosity and made a fortune out of (mis)leading the sheeple out there. Sunday morning seems to be the time for them to be on TV.

Yes, I say fleece the shit out of those RW asshole Trump supporters. Take their 401K money, SS payments, etc. Minimizing their wealth is great for our cause as they have less money to throw at winger politicians. I hope they end up broke and in the streets long before they meet the Devil in Hell! Zero compassion for these clown and their evil politicians, I say!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:01 AM

39. Excellent observation. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:02 AM

40. K&R

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:57 AM

42. Toothpaste is a healthy, useful product

A brain on FAUX SNOOZE is not!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:42 AM

43. Fox new needs to be outlawed as hate speech...

If we ever gain enough political power.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:02 PM

45. Agreed!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

49. Good observation.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:12 PM

51. My parents, and my wife's parents, are still the Social Justice Democrats they've always been.

Some might call them Social Justice Warriors.

If the U.S.A. turns into a Nazi Republican Fascist hell my parents and my siblings are all going to the re-education camps unless we've already skedaddled on out of here.

All my ancestors landed in America in the 19th century and ran straight into the wilderness because the places they came from had turned into shit holes intolerant of religious and political dissent.

Some of them were just one or two steps ahead of the law, abusive husbands or families, and rotten governments that meant to conscript them.

My wife has ancestors who were forced out of their lands into Mexico by the U.S. Army. Had they stayed it's likely they would have been killed. Their descendants returned as Mexican "immigrant" farm workers. One of my wife's grandmothers never forgot or forgave the injustice. She had her green card, she owned her own home here in California, she had a comfortable pension, but she refused citizenship many decades until her death, far beyond the point it became socially awkward for her family, and an extreme nuisance whenever she was returning to the U.S.A. after family visits to relatives in Mexico.



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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:10 PM

52. So true...

I see a lot of toothpaste brained people in Florida!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:54 PM

54. A shame too. There are far more important things to do then have the TV tell you blah...blah...

blah...

I tell my folks to get outside and enjoy the weather, do things, get away from the damn TV. It's ridiculous on how much time and energy people spend in watching literally what I call the idiot box (TV).

Don't you have anything better to do than have someone else tell you what to believe? That's what I told my parents and they agreed with me. My mom in particular, she' very hostile to anyone telling her what to do.

That's what we need to do, emphasize that they're letting someone else tell them what to do...most seniors I know getting riled up when you accuse them of this. I guess it is a sign of when our folks get older and they go into a reverse childhood phase, where as we (as the pseudo parents) have to educate our parents on turning off the damn TV (or watch the good shows on PBS instead) and do other things.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:17 PM

55. Lucky Me

Not my parents. Because of them I'm a proud Dem.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:23 PM

56. Rush Limbaugh was there first

I think Limbaugh created the pattern for right-wing hate radio and Faux came along 10 years later and changed the format to television. But the audience was already there and Faux knew it.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:58 PM

57. So true

My poor mom believes everything she hears on FOX. It's very sad. She used to think for herself.

Her latest FOX induced delusion is that AOC wants to take away everyone's car with the New Green Deal.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:37 PM

58. Not to my parents it didn't!

My dad (second from left) was the one being honored here, and got kudos afterward from the big guy in the middle for it. One of the last great one-horse town print correspondents in Washington.
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