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TheBlackAdder

(28,169 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:47 AM Jun 2019

Get Ready For 2 Things: Our Cars Running Like Shit & Getting Worse Gas Mileage (Thanks Trump!)

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Well, Scotty Kilmer predicted Trump would do something to placate corn farmers.

In the video below, he talks about how Ethanol affects cars, and that most vehicles run poorly with over 10% ethanol blended into the gasoline. Ethanol acts as an octane booster (slowing the volatile firing of the gasoline), but unless you are running a FlexFuel vehicle, which can use upwards of 85% ethanol, you car will run like shit and you might take it to a mechanic and spend hundreds or thousands in unwarranted repairs. On top of that, since ethanol contains 20% less energy than gasoline per volume, your gas mileage will decrease by another 2.5% by moving from e10 to e15.


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Thanks Omaha Steve for posting the following OP:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2327561

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Get Ready For 2 Things: Our Cars Running Like Shit & Getting Worse Gas Mileage (Thanks Trump!) (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 OP
corn farmers will lose no sleep over this, cuz $$ is all nt msongs Jun 2019 #1
Ethanol has a very nasty habit of The Figment Jun 2019 #2
I warned my daughter, driving a 2000 Buick Century. She thought if problems it would be the car. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #7
I don't think you are allowed to pump pure gas directly into you vehicle. Hotler Jun 2019 #8
Not true in Florida. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #10
Agree with you that ethanol is shit. former9thward Jun 2019 #3
I'd guess even you would realize the many relevant degrees of difference LanternWaste Jun 2019 #14
I love Scotty Kilmer's channel. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #4
And all because Iowa votes first. Ron Obvious Jun 2019 #5
Ethanol mandate started in 2005 fescuerescue Jun 2019 #6
One advantage of living in Florida. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #11
Many states tax auto fuel differently, and the use of AvGas and Marine gas on autos is illegal. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #12
It was here till a few years ago, with a big loophole GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #16
Everything is about appeasing the corn lobby Calculating Jun 2019 #9
Fuck Trump and fuck the corn farmers. roamer65 Jun 2019 #13
Even if the pumps are separate... roamer65 Jun 2019 #15
We're getting to the point where you have to know and trust your gas station. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #19
My boat mechanic will tell anyone who asks... GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #17
my hobby... I_have_had_enough Jun 2019 #18

The Figment

(494 posts)
2. Ethanol has a very nasty habit of
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:32 AM
Jun 2019

Tearing up the rubber lines,gaskets, plastic bits in your fuel system, as well as rusting the inside of the gas tank (as it contains a fair amount of water),you also lose about 10 percent of your fuel mileage because it takes more ethanol to make the same amount of power out of your engine.

If you can find a gas station that sells fuel for outboard boat motors buy that...its 100 percent gasoline, a bit more expensive but your power and driveability comes back and your fuel system will Thank You tremendously.

This is especially important if what you drive is 2004 or older!!

TheBlackAdder

(28,169 posts)
7. I warned my daughter, driving a 2000 Buick Century. She thought if problems it would be the car.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jun 2019

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This is going to jam a lot of people who drive older cars.

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Hotler

(11,396 posts)
8. I don't think you are allowed to pump pure gas directly into you vehicle.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:04 AM
Jun 2019

The nozzle may not fit and I think it illegal to use it in vehicles. You have to go to the station and fill some 5-gallon cans and add it to your tank at home. We use it in our racing motorcycles.

To find pure gas near you
https://www.pure-gas.org/

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
10. Not true in Florida.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:32 AM
Jun 2019

I use only ethanol free in my boat and half the time I put it into my truck. If we go to E15 non-ethanol is all I will use.

Florida changed it Law a few years ago allowing real gas in vehicles. And the nozzles are the same. It diesel that is different.

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
3. Agree with you that ethanol is shit.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:37 AM
Jun 2019

But Trump? What candidate in Iowa right now is attacking ethanol? Which one? Any?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. I'd guess even you would realize the many relevant degrees of difference
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jun 2019

between attacking a thing and pushing a thing, rather than allowing for only the two extreme possibilities when reality allows for so many more.

But that's what I get for guessing. Zero for three this morning. Not bad in the minors.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
4. I love Scotty Kilmer's channel.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:08 AM
Jun 2019

I am waiting for him to directly weigh in on this subject. He rips on ethanol all the time.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
5. And all because Iowa votes first.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:11 AM
Jun 2019

I agree: ethanol sucks and it barely (if at all) breaks even as corn is such a lousy crop to use for fuel.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
6. Ethanol mandate started in 2005
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:33 AM
Jun 2019

Then increased in 2006 and again 2013.

Right now most stations are at 10%. A few are at 15% (but labelled). It's REALLY HARD to find 0%, and it costs quite a bit more.

I had hoped that Obama would have pulled back on this craziness, but it never did get much attention.


Sad to hear that Trump is jumping on this bandwagon now too.

https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/energy/biofuels/energy-briefs/history-of-ethanol-production-and-policy

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
11. One advantage of living in Florida.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jun 2019

With all the boats 0% ethanol is easy to find. Lots of people, including me run it in our vehicles.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. It was here till a few years ago, with a big loophole
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jun 2019

The legislature made it illegal but never enacted a single penalty. So it really was not Illegal.

Now a nonissue.

If E15 becomes the norm I see a great increase in E0 gas coming.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
9. Everything is about appeasing the corn lobby
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jun 2019

Same reason why High Fructose Corn Syrup hasn't been banned from foods. The corn gods must be appeased.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
13. Fuck Trump and fuck the corn farmers.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jun 2019

I am getting sick of paying out subsidies for these assholes.

Cut all government assistance to zero for them.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
15. Even if the pumps are separate...
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

a lot of the crooked station owners will buy E15 and use it on the E10 regular gas pumps. Just to make a buck then they will lie when confronted.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
19. We're getting to the point where you have to know and trust your gas station.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jun 2019

You honestly have to know where you can buy gas for your car, because all of the other stations will rip you off.

A handy rule of thumb if you are a traveller in the US southwest: Never buy gas in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Fill up in Las Cruces or Albuquerque, depending on which way you're going.

There's a simple kit available on Amazon that will show you how much ethanol you have in your gas tank. Unless you have a "flexfuel" vehicle, that percentage should be at or less than or equal to ten percent. If there's more than that, it can create numerous problems.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
17. My boat mechanic will tell anyone who asks...
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jun 2019

He loves Ethanol. Keeps him in business.

It make vehicles run poorly. But it damaged boat fuel systems.

18. my hobby...
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:50 PM
Jun 2019

...is old Italian scooters...Vespa...Lambretta.
The new gas will kill them.
It will also kill 2 cycle weed whackers & blowers(killing blowers is not so bad).
This is trump buying votes in the cornbelt.

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