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Impeachment will divide the nation. That's what Speaker Pelosi says, that's one of her main arguments for being against impeach now.
That sounds true. Impeachment is some pretty serious shit, removing a president from office.
Is it true? Will impeachment divide our nation or will impeachment Make America America Again? Joe Biden used that slogan yesterday in Iowa.
Speaker Pelosi may be right in saying that impeachment will divide the country. Trump's 35% will stick by Trump with or without impeachment. Who are the people who are going to be divided?
Will an impeachment hearing divide supporters of the law from law breakers?
Will impeachment divide bigots and white supremacists from people who see themselves in others?
Will impeachment divide people who believe global warming is a hoax from people who care about our grandchildren? The fucking EPA is looking at allowing frackers to dump frack water into rivers. WTF.
Will impeachment divide our country between people who live their lives in hatred and fear from people who live their lives loving one another?
Maybe just maybe impeachment can Make America America Again?
What say you?
shraby
(21,946 posts)might be the answer.
we will still have Trumpism, but maybe without trump his followers can be reeducated.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)it is the right thing to do, leaving a minority of those already most intransigently divided on their own. That's exactly what our nation needs -- for conservatives unhappy with what's happening to separate from those determined to support a scary-bad leader no matter what.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)But not quite in half...the way we elect Senators gives the minority a lot of power.
former9thward
(31,970 posts)Impeachment will not "bring the country together". That bridge was crossed a long time ago and we aren't going back. The country will stay divided with the red state/blue state divide increasing with each year. Politicians will claim to unite the country but they won't and can't. Just accept it and move on to things that can be changed.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Is Speaker Pelosi's claim that impeachment will divide the country a bogus claim?
Maybe leaving Trump in office is what is dividing the country?
Trump's foreign policy isn't based on what's best for America, it's based on what he gets from Putin, MBS, and Bibi.
Trump's tax cuts benefitted the rich over the poor.
Trump is packing the courts with fascist, right wing judges who are going to rule against the little guy. Already 1 in 6 federal judges have been appointed by Trump.
Won't leaving Trump in office be more divisive?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)to tRump's removal from office. I don't think that the republicans in the senate will ever vote to convict. It is possible that the impeachment hearingsmight lead to his resignation or in him losing the election in 2020.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)Sometimes you have to stand up to the threat, even if it means uncertain times ahead.
3Hotdogs
(12,366 posts)If tax fraud and/or fraudulent loan applications and/or money laundering are included in the charges, well, people understand those.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)The House should appoint a 4-member Commission to investigate the matter?
They could call it the Impeachment Committee. It could consist of two Democrats and two Republicans? A very small Commission that could be expanded upon request?
This might also tend to lessen the partisan frictions and give the Congress men and women time to campaign for their next election?
Just rambling...
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It may be that she sees this in the Democratic caucus. It seems like reasonable guess that she has sought their opinions.
I don't assume that all Dems are on board. Legislators who pay attention to what their constinuencies are concerned about may have found impeachment not to be a priority.
Maybe she has talked with republicans in the senate who are motivated to actually do something to at least blunt damage Trump could still do, and doesn't want to risk losing their votes as she might if they were put between a rock and a hard place on impeachment?
I think she knows what she's doing. And I think that what happens behind the scenes is likely to be very different from what we see and assume based on pundits beliefs and the media snapshots that legislators, who usually are not walking risky fine lines with their voters, reveal.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)CanonRay
(14,097 posts)Short of armed conflict, which may be coming anyway, we're more divided than anytime since 1865.
D2020
(45 posts)The new civil war as far as the Rs are concerned. Unfortunately I am of the opinion that they may be right , we may have no other way out of this then fighting our way out. I don't believe that anything will save this nation as it is at the moment.
Oneironaut
(5,491 posts)The Democrats arent even acting like they have the House. The Senate might vote to convict if there is compelling evidence against Trump (though, pigs might start flying too).
I think the time to impeach is now. We wont have a chance after 2020. Investigations are being stonewalled by the Trump Administration.