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Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:13 PM

Dem's need to explain "Socialism" to Americans

Democratic Socialism is a nebulous term that most Americans associate with communism. EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN .... TEACH ... tell Americans that corp welfare will end.

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Reply Dem's need to explain "Socialism" to Americans (Original post)
Miigwech Jun 2019 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #4
ck4829 Jun 2019 #7
Kurt V. Jun 2019 #8
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #11
msongs Jun 2019 #2
MattP Jun 2019 #3
JI7 Jun 2019 #5
Karadeniz Jun 2019 #6
Fresh_Start Jun 2019 #9
sop Jun 2019 #10
JHB Jun 2019 #12
kentuck Jun 2019 #13
Miigwech Jun 2019 #14
JHB Jun 2019 #18
tymorial Jun 2019 #16
tymorial Jun 2019 #15
emulatorloo Jun 2019 #17

Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:18 PM

1. They'd better ditch the word "socialism" altogether.

Call themselves FDR Democrats, for example, but the word "socialism" (even apart from being inaccurate as applied to American social programs) is anathema. Too many voters associate it, correctly or not, with Soviet-style collectivism. It's political poison. Any candidate who identifies him/herself as a socialist of any kind is shooting him/herself in the foot. People won't listen to complex explanations about economics and how Democratic socialists don't really want people to move to collective farms.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:23 PM

4. Exactly!!!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:25 PM

7. Republicans won't though, they will fill the vacuum with their ignorance

Valuing human lives over confederate statues, getting vaccinated, and, oh yeah, not wanting to get shot in school will still all be "socialism" according to Republicans.

It's not that "socialism" is political poison, the political poison is the party and ideology that is all but openly saying not acting like a sociopath is "SOCIALISM!!!"

We'd be even better off declaring that party and ideology not a legitimate faction in American politics.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:28 PM

8. this isn't going to happen. they'd be better advised to explain it best they can. any linguists

will tell you that language is a living thing and grows to fits society's need to express itself. That's up to dem leadership to redefine this .which also isn't going to happen

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:51 PM

11. Most of those bandying it about don't know much about it either, its history in particular, and

don’t know the struggle going on in Europe to keep social democracy programs afloat in the face of
rising and bitter protest over taxes, how these systems are being impacted, threatened. FDR is a good association with what we should be talking about as the social net, and Canada probably the best model for single payer as the NHS is going bankrupt and being privatized.
Finally, some of America’s immigrants and their descendants are very, very wary of socialism.

This progressive dalliance could lose the election.

California under Gavin Newsom’s leadership just passed a bill to give undocumented immigrants between ages 19-26 who are low-income full healthcare benefits. We have other excellent medical
programs low cost or free. The bill to extend full benefits to all undocumented immigrants was not passed, but it was under consideration and will be again.

Last time I looked we are still not a socialist state or a social democracy.

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:22 PM

2. its a construct design to promote one candidate who has never been and never will be

a democrat.

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:22 PM

3. Keep government out of Medicare voters there is alot of them

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:25 PM

5. why not just talk about issues ?

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:25 PM

6. Can't ditch what the GOP is going to hammer at like McCarthy at communists. They're on the

right track by posing current socialism for our oligarchs/corporations against a fairer socialism for the middle class/workers.

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:37 PM

9. Dems do NOT need to explain Socialism to Americans

only people who are trying to promote socialism need to explain it and try to sell it

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:47 PM

10. I haven't heard any Democratic candidate talk about socialism, other than to disavow it

Except for one (and he's not a Democrat). Then the rest of the field is forced to defend attacks against that one person's party affiliation.

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:52 PM

12. Disagree. What **we** need to do is slap the Republican's version upside the head

Republicans call everything they don't like "socialism".

In one breath they'll talk about how the U.S. is "the leader of the free world", and in the next decry "European socialism" as if it was about Warsaw Pact police states and not industrialized democracies.

If you take the Republican version of what counts as "socialism" at face value, we spent the Cold War as a "socialist" nation. I guess capitalism didn't win after all?

Reagan got his start in politics shilling a view that the then-pending Medicare would be "socialized medicine" and be a way to indoctrinate Americans to Marxism. Ask people over 65 whether Medicare made them into Marxists.

What we need to explain and educate people about socialism is that Re[publicans use the word as something to throw at people, and they'll call anything "socialist" if it gets in their way.

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:55 PM

13. When Democrats are attempting to explain "socialism"...

....they are losing.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:03 PM

14. Not if done correctly

because the majority of Americans agree with the policies of Democratic Socialists will do more for them... the left wing of the Democratic Party big tent

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Response to Miigwech (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:48 AM

18. Well, the correct way to do it is to attack the Republicans...

...and their ever-ballooning definition of the word.

If you want to make any progress teaching and explaining, first you have to break the reinforcement mechanism.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

16. 100% accurate

And there is no quote correctly contrary to the reply

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

15. It wont matter.

People who have already come to a conclusion are not swayed by facts. This has been proven time and time again psychologically. You will never sway people who are convinced that Democrats are socialists. It's a waste of time and resources

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Response to Miigwech (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:17 AM

17. Why? Democrats aren't socialists.

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