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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:33 PM Jun 2019

How could a once brave warrior like Mueller become so timid?

He tiptoed around everything. His failure to subpoena Trump made him look like he was afraid of Rudy Giuliani. I don’t get it. He knew Trump would never be convicted by the Senate. His continuing failure to hold Trump accountable by refusing to testify just makes no sense.

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How could a once brave warrior like Mueller become so timid? (Original Post) redstateblues Jun 2019 OP
I think he looked at the Jim Comey situation True Dough Jun 2019 #1
What do we know about what went on behind the scenes between Mueller and Barr? ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #27
Mueller is a huge disappointment. If he doesn't testify and make it right, he will not be Cousin Dupree Jun 2019 #31
I don't see timid KentuckyWoman Jun 2019 #2
True. He has always been a Republican redstateblues Jun 2019 #5
LOL Skittles Jun 2019 #6
And he meekly just went into the quiet night with nothing but redstateblues Jun 2019 #10
I agree he certainly should have done more Skittles Jun 2019 #12
They probably have something on him samir.g Jun 2019 #3
+1 rampartc Jun 2019 #17
He really had to work hard to let trump, Jr, and Kush off conspiring with Ruskies. Hoyt Jun 2019 #4
If I hadn't heard a weakness in his voice, I wouldn't have questions about his status. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #8
Something wasn't right redstateblues Jun 2019 #13
I read somewhere that Mueller has never been comfortable speaking. Add the fact that he had Hoyt Jun 2019 #26
Bullshit. NanceGreggs Jun 2019 #9
Failing to subpoena Trump is not "doing his job" . Weak excuses from Mueller on that. redstateblues Jun 2019 #11
Given the choice between ... NanceGreggs Jun 2019 #14
+ 100,000 dweller Jun 2019 #16
Career professionals are above reproach? Really? Comey, Rosenstein, Barr all career pros. redstateblues Jun 2019 #18
I never said career professionals are beyond reproach. NanceGreggs Jun 2019 #20
nice snide comment. I still haven't heard you defend Mueller's timidity redstateblues Jun 2019 #34
I have no need to defend Mueller. NanceGreggs Jun 2019 #38
Thank you! StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #40
Mueller pushed the WMD lie that led us to a war with Iraq. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #35
Barr is another career professional. spanone Jun 2019 #28
There are literally millions ... NanceGreggs Jun 2019 #39
I'm more bothered by the lack of action with Don Jr and Jared Kushner dansolo Jun 2019 #23
Exactly. Mueller went out of his way to say Jr & Kushner weren't chargeable for trump tower meeting Hoyt Jun 2019 #24
So well said. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #15
Thank you. Tipperary Jun 2019 #21
Dream on. The Senate will never indict Trump. Impeachment goes nowhere. redstateblues Jun 2019 #32
The GOP has become a cult. CentralMass Jun 2019 #19
At the end of the day, he's a Republican. DLevine Jun 2019 #22
Thank you for your clarity redstateblues Jun 2019 #33
"The GOP is jumping all over Mueller. So let's all jump on Mueller! Otherwise we'll look left out!" struggle4progress Jun 2019 #25
SMH StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #29
Mueller has never been obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2019 #30
He's a Republican who didn't want to rock the boat too much. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #36
That makes as much sense as anything I've heard. redstateblues Jun 2019 #37

True Dough

(17,301 posts)
1. I think he looked at the Jim Comey situation
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:36 PM
Jun 2019

and knew he didn't want to be judged similarly. He also was handcuffed by AG Barr's opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. What do we know about what went on behind the scenes between Mueller and Barr?
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jun 2019

I think there were a lot of compromises... mainly on Mueller's end. And remember how, just after Barr said "exoneration," a bunch of people on Mueller's team piped up? Yeah, we haven't heard from them again. So what happened there?

Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Cousin Dupree

(1,866 posts)
31. Mueller is a huge disappointment. If he doesn't testify and make it right, he will not be
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jun 2019

judged well by history.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
2. I don't see timid
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:46 PM
Jun 2019

I see a man who is true to what he has always been. If anyone expected Mueller to swoop down and save us all from this insanity they had unrealistic expectations.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
5. True. He has always been a Republican
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:58 PM
Jun 2019

I think Trump outsmarted him. During all Trump’s years as a crime boss he learned how to leave little or no evidence. He is a very cunning criminal.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
10. And he meekly just went into the quiet night with nothing but
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:23 AM
Jun 2019

a semi sternly worded letter sent to Barr? What a display of courage!

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
12. I agree he certainly should have done more
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jun 2019

especially since leaving it up to Democrats seems to be a big fat nothing

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. He really had to work hard to let trump, Jr, and Kush off conspiring with Ruskies.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:52 PM
Jun 2019

He knew Obstruction wouldn’t take trump down.

He wimped out on America.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
8. If I hadn't heard a weakness in his voice, I wouldn't have questions about his status.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jun 2019

But I did, and so I do.

Maybe he has lost his edge. Maybe there's something wrong with his health. Maybe when he was met with the perfidy of Barr, he just couldn't summon up strength to be enmeshed in politics. Maybe he has been threatened somehow.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. I read somewhere that Mueller has never been comfortable speaking. Add the fact that he had
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:10 PM
Jun 2019

let America down by not going aggressively after trump, Jr, Kushner, etc., and his nervousness makes sense.

I agree that his age (about ready to pack it in when called), avoidance of politics, etc., might have something to do with it. But, he should have declined the job if that were the case.

To be fair, Fitzgerald wimped out on us as well.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
9. Bullshit.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:20 AM
Jun 2019

Mueller had a job to do, and he did it. The fact that you "don't get it" is your problem, not his.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
11. Failing to subpoena Trump is not "doing his job" . Weak excuses from Mueller on that.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jun 2019

He didn’t even try. Pathetic. I can see why he is reluctant to testify in front of the nation.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
14. Given the choice between ...
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:30 AM
Jun 2019

... Mueller's judgment and that of an anonymous poster on a message board, I'll go with the career professional.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
18. Career professionals are above reproach? Really? Comey, Rosenstein, Barr all career pros.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 01:18 AM
Jun 2019

Your ad hominem attack aside, I’m still not hearing any defense as to why Mueller didn’t try to get Trump in person under oath and as to why he won’t testify in front of Congress. Did you read Trump’s written answers to Mueller’s queries? What a joke. Totally useless.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
20. I never said career professionals are beyond reproach.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 02:06 AM
Jun 2019

What I did say is that given Mueller's history and experience, he's a lot more credible than a guy on the internetz.

Perhaps the next time a special counsel is needed, you can put your name up for consideration. No doubt you would do a much better job than Mueller - or anyone else, right?

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
34. nice snide comment. I still haven't heard you defend Mueller's timidity
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:36 AM
Jun 2019

He’s a Republican.Why didn’t he put Trump under oath?Your resort to ad hominem attacks shows that you have no defense for Mueller’s failure to finish his job. He won’t testify because he doesn’t want this to be partisan? Sorry, that’s a pant load. All your career professionals have not moved the needle in holding Trump accountable.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
38. I have no need to defend Mueller.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:20 AM
Jun 2019

You’ve already created your own little narrative about him – you claim to know his thoughts, his motives, and his reasons for doing or not doing things.

Why waste my time debating with someone who so obviously knows everything?

Turin_C3PO

(13,952 posts)
35. Mueller pushed the WMD lie that led us to a war with Iraq.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:40 AM
Jun 2019

I think he’s basically a good guy but he’s not above criticism.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
23. I'm more bothered by the lack of action with Don Jr and Jared Kushner
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 06:19 AM
Jun 2019

DOJ policy only applies to the president, not his family members.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Exactly. Mueller went out of his way to say Jr & Kushner weren't chargeable for trump tower meeting
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jun 2019

because they were too stupid to have the intent needed to violate the law and it was difficult to put a value on any assistance the Ruskies were offering.

What a load of BS.

DLevine

(1,788 posts)
22. At the end of the day, he's a Republican.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 06:09 AM
Jun 2019

I never trust a Republican to do the right thing.

Agree, he should have subpoenaed Trump. He also should have spoken up- publicly- the minute Barr lied about his report. And, he should happily agree to testify before Congress. In the end, he's just another Trump enabler.

Turin_C3PO

(13,952 posts)
36. He's a Republican who didn't want to rock the boat too much.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:48 AM
Jun 2019

I think he’s ok with the status quo and knew that truly going after Trump would be a national scandal that he wanted no part of. That’s my theory anyway.

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