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Pelosi: "I don't think there is anything more divisive we can do than to impeach a President..." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 OP
I think the evidence is quite clear and substantial. trev Jun 2019 #1
WTF!?? triron Jun 2019 #2
My feelings exactly. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #22
Where on earth is she coming from? I am beyond exasperated. triron Jun 2019 #34
WTF is RIGHT!! Letting the Traitor-in-Chief off the hook is NOT the way to go!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #55
When did she let him off the hook? ehrnst Jun 2019 #63
Dear Madam Speaker, grumpyduck Jun 2019 #3
Good question!! The rule of law should take precedence... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #56
meh. Kurt V. Jun 2019 #4
Yes- Impeachment. Snackshack Jun 2019 #5
Exactly!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #57
Letting the criminals get way with their crimes is more divisive NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #6
This. cwydro Jun 2019 #17
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Jun 2019 #20
Perfectly stated! CrispyQ Jun 2019 #59
Impeachment is not about whether or not it is divisive tymorial Jun 2019 #7
And sometimes being divisive is the correct path and cannot be avoided. PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #8
I say go ahead with the investigations and then lock his ass up after the next election. It might be walkingman Jun 2019 #9
She's 100% correct....if it's not a bullet proof deal... AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #10
Removing Red Don isn't needed to hurt him politically and follow constitution. uponit7771 Jun 2019 #19
I can't imagine the country being more divided than it is now Poiuyt Jun 2019 #11
Oh well BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #12
IF she continues fooling around like she seems to be doing ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2019 #13
Treasonous all of them including Trump, Pence, and Barr. triron Jun 2019 #61
Emergency Phone Call for Madame Speaker!! Bayard Jun 2019 #14
Yes. mnhtnbb Jun 2019 #15
The job is doing one's constitutional DUTY MasterofBiscuits Jun 2019 #41
She is doing her job. You just don't the decisions she has ehrnst Jun 2019 #62
Yes, we're overdue for an inquiry at least. cwydro Jun 2019 #16
Kidnapping kids is pretty divisive, Red Don being a racist is pretty divisive ... etc etc uponit7771 Jun 2019 #18
Trump's behavior is pretty damn divisive! Luciferous Jun 2019 #21
Divide?? Timewas Jun 2019 #23
fear of division be taking into consideration AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #24
The Constitution does not require impeachment in any instance, literally or otherwise StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #25
oversight AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #28
I don't think the Speaker's 'subtlety' is being well understood here. empedocles Jun 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #26
Really? I wonder if Madame Speaker has become out of touch with the fact that these platitudes Nevermypresident Jun 2019 #27
We need impeachment NOW, not only to throw the Traitor-in-Chief out of office... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #58
I don't think there is anything more divisive we can do than to live through a second Trump term Miles Archer Jun 2019 #30
If he loses he will claim the whole damned thing was Fake News... Volaris Jun 2019 #39
See, that's the thing...you know that, I know that... Miles Archer Jun 2019 #44
Right you are. Firestorm49 Jun 2019 #52
God forbid our country becomes divided!! SHRED Jun 2019 #31
I worry about that daily! Miles Archer Jun 2019 #45
Impeachment is a waste of time unless we can get 20 GOP senators to vote to remove Gothmog Jun 2019 #32
Or to rephrase a bit.. Zambero Jun 2019 #33
You guys do see the qualifying second sentence, right? ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #35
... StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #37
Of course not. Otherwise there would be no need for hair-tearing outrage. NYC Liberal Jun 2019 #40
The way she's handled it to date has made him increasingly erratic and bombastic... Miles Archer Jun 2019 #46
She dont think GusBob Jun 2019 #36
Ummm well yes that's true...and it's time to draw a big red line ... Volaris Jun 2019 #38
Trumputin's actions and the propaganda supporting him are more divisive Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #42
I would submit that the divisiveness can't get any worse, however.... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #43
Can't is a big word fescuerescue Jun 2019 #47
Very true. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #60
Well heavens! We can't be divisive. Where are our manners? jalan48 Jun 2019 #48
The division is never going to mend without draining the infection. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2019 #49
It would also have been very divisive if Obama edhopper Jun 2019 #50
Yeah Nancy Faux pas Jun 2019 #51
It's divisive but very necessary. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #53
The only thing more divisive is not impeaching him Botany Jun 2019 #54

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
55. WTF is RIGHT!! Letting the Traitor-in-Chief off the hook is NOT the way to go!!
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jun 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

grumpyduck

(6,224 posts)
3. Dear Madam Speaker,
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jun 2019

I can give you something more divisive: letting the country continue going to hell.

Or are you saying that not doing something divisive is more important that upholding your oath of office?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
56. Good question!! The rule of law should take precedence...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jun 2019

thought impeachment would go forward after the Mueller Report came out and outlined all the crimes the Traitor-in-Chief committed!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
5. Yes- Impeachment.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:24 PM
Jun 2019

Can be divisive but the country is already pretty divided. Certainly a concern but definitely not a gater from upholding the oath of office to defend the Constitution and enforce the rule of law.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
7. Impeachment is not about whether or not it is divisive
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:31 PM
Jun 2019

It's singular purpose is to hold the president to account for high crimes and misdemeanors. It is the stopgap to prevent corruption and despotism from occurring within the highest office of our country.

I still have faith that Pelosi and the Democrat leadership understand what they are doing and have a plan in place to hold the president accountable. At some point however action must be taken. That will be the moment of truth because even if the Senate will not support impeachment, the house has an obligation to impeach even if it is politically inconvenient and detrimental. Our constitution means nothing if it is not enforced. If the president can truly do whatever he wants without repercussion then we have installed a monarch.

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
8. And sometimes being divisive is the correct path and cannot be avoided.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jun 2019

Time to officially commence an impeachment inquiry. Listen to the base Pelosi and lead us.

walkingman

(7,583 posts)
9. I say go ahead with the investigations and then lock his ass up after the next election. It might be
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jun 2019

a first but I cannot think of anyone more deserving. It is for sure the GOP Senate will never remove him.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
10. She's 100% correct....if it's not a bullet proof deal...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:51 PM
Jun 2019

Full removal.....it will embolden the Trumpanzees...

She remembers the hit we took in the '10 election because of the ACA passage.
An ass kicking of epic proportions.

Poiuyt

(18,117 posts)
11. I can't imagine the country being more divided than it is now
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:51 PM
Jun 2019

And I lived through the Viet Nam era. I wasn't alive during the Civil War though.

LenaBaby61

(6,973 posts)
13. IF she continues fooling around like she seems to be doing ...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:59 PM
Jun 2019

And fatso wags the dog we're FUCKED into hell, because there will be NO changing presidents DURING a war no matter how incmopetent, evil, dumb, corrupt, racist, sexist, rotten and ignorant that president IS.

And this fucking treasonous Senate isn't going to to SHIT to stop him from wagging the dog. You see they're trying to cast blame on HILLARY/Camp for the Steele Dossier's existence

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
14. Emergency Phone Call for Madame Speaker!!
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jun 2019

We can't wait any longer to impeach. Certainly not long enough to vote him out. He's doing too much damage on a daily basis.

The job here is oversight. Whether it is divisive is beside the point.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
62. She is doing her job. You just don't the decisions she has
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jun 2019

been chosen by her peers over and over again to make.

Timewas

(2,190 posts)
23. Divide??
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jun 2019

Who will be divided from who, we are already divided from the rethugs and that is a good thing... Impeach the asshole already

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
24. fear of division be taking into consideration
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:02 PM
Jun 2019

when trying to impeach. It is a fact based process. You are literally required to impeach him per constitution. It’s hard to predict the effects of it but not impeaching will have serious long term consequences once precedent is set.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Nevermypresident

(781 posts)
27. Really? I wonder if Madame Speaker has become out of touch with the fact that these platitudes
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jun 2019

she puts out there only further frustrate and annoy many of the 79% of Democrats who are pro-impeachment, including myself.

I can just imagine the republicans laughing their asses off at these soundbites.



InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
58. We need impeachment NOW, not only to throw the Traitor-in-Chief out of office...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jun 2019

but, to give the Democratic base confidence that the Party will fight the Rethugs on every level. Who gives a shit whether impeachment will divide the country... NEWS ALERT: WE'RE ALREADY DIVIDED!!! Nothing would fire up the base like impeaching that POS illegally occupying the White House... I'm more afraid of what NOT impeaching that fuck will do to our chances in 2020!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
30. I don't think there is anything more divisive we can do than to live through a second Trump term
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:57 PM
Jun 2019

So I tend to factor that into my thought process on impeachment.

If the plan is to vote him out in 2020, let's make damned sure we do.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
39. If he loses he will claim the whole damned thing was Fake News...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:31 AM
Jun 2019

His time in Office is the ONLY thing preventing his time in a cell..

He will not go willingly.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
44. See, that's the thing...you know that, I know that...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jun 2019

...the 20 candidates who are going to take the debate stage know that, Speaker Pelosi knows that...

...and as much as I hate cliches, it really has come down to that moment in "The Untouchables" where, in addressing Al Capone, Sean Connery asks Kevin Costner "What are you prepared to do about it?"

I don't think for a second that we should allow Trump to have us chasing our tails in 2020, spending our entire time "defending" ourselves against him, deflecting his attacks,

Every elected official in the Democratic party got where they are right now by waging some form of a campaign. Some were more contentious than others. Some faced unconscionable attacks on every level.

NO ONE has waged a campaign that comes within a country mile of what we're about to face in 2020. It really is unprecedented. Comparisons can be drawn, but not of this magnitude, not on this level, We're going up against someone who lacks a conscience, who is totally self-serving, who has no respect for decorum or the law.

We need to prepare for it and act accordingly.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
45. I worry about that daily!
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:13 AM
Jun 2019

Yes, it has become painful to hear cautionary words about us "becoming" divided.

I became "divided" the morning after election day in 2016. I have my laptop next to the bed. I followed the results until I fell asleep. When I woke up the next morning, it was to a screen declaring Trump as the winner.

I didn't have to "become" divided after that. It was my moment of "division."

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
33. Or to rephrase a bit..
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jun 2019

There is nothing more divisive than a blatantly criminal president who sees himself as being above the law and therefore warrants impeachment.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
35. You guys do see the qualifying second sentence, right?
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:37 AM
Jun 2019

She didn't say she wasn't contemplating it. She said we have to handle it with care. And I agree with that.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
37. ...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:47 AM
Jun 2019

I'm starting to think it doesn't matter what she says. It will be twisted or ignored. She could call for impeachment tomorrow and I'm sure some of the people blasting her now for supposedly blocking impeachment (which, of course, she isn't doing), won't give her a second's worth of credit for doing what they say they want her to do, but will turn on a dime and start attacking her for something else.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
46. The way she's handled it to date has made him increasingly erratic and bombastic...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:22 AM
Jun 2019

...which further builds a case for his not being fit for office. There's wisdom to her strategy.

So yes, I get it...I am impatient like everyone else and I am sick of his bullshit, but yes...I saw the qualifying sentence.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
38. Ummm well yes that's true...and it's time to draw a big red line ...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:28 AM
Jun 2019

I know which side I stand on.

To paraphrase the great Jean-Luc:

'they invade our space, and we fall back. They advance, and we retreat. They assimilate entire worlds, AND WE DO NOTHING.'.

Nancy, the line must be drawn somewhere, and right now only you can draw it .

'This far. NO FARTHER.'.

I know which side of the line I'm on.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,259 posts)
42. Trumputin's actions and the propaganda supporting him are more divisive
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:14 AM
Jun 2019

A nation destroyed is no longer divided.

We're almost there. Willing to bet there will be any future Speakers of the House?

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
43. I would submit that the divisiveness can't get any worse, however....
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:08 AM
Jun 2019

like racism, it will rear its ugly head big-time with right-wing heads exploding. The lines of division have been hard-set for quite some time, IMO.

I feel a lot of independents and a few Republicans would drift our way and support an impeachment inquiry.

Many decent people of all political stripes are sick of this criminal enterprise. They will be even more sick when inflation gets worse and their taxes go up or if we go into a full-blown recession, or get entangled in another endless Middle East war.

KY.....

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
60. Very true.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:04 PM
Jun 2019

When environmental conditions get bad enough or should another economic great depression occur, it could happen again. Can't even imagine where we'll be say, 200 years from now.

.............

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
49. The division is never going to mend without draining the infection.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:58 AM
Jun 2019

We need a desperately necessary Truth Cleansing.

The brainwashed followers will tweak, that’s to be expected, but the larger population will be overjoyed, and that will have an overall stabilizing effect over time.

edhopper

(33,484 posts)
50. It would also have been very divisive if Obama
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:05 AM
Jun 2019

had prosecuted the Bush Administration criminals.

He didn't, and how did that work out for us?

Nancy, here is a clue, anything to do with Trump is divisive, so fuck it and do what is right!

Botany

(70,447 posts)
54. The only thing more divisive is not impeaching him
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jun 2019

And if the senate GOP wants to stand up with that treasonous con man let 'em.

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