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Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:37 PM

"They call me the Far Left"?

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I was born into a Blue Collar family in Upstate State NY. My original ancestor settled here in the year 1654.

My father was a Marine during the Korean war. After the war he worked on the loading docks for thirty years, until he was crippled by a back injury. Even after his injury my father attempted to go to work. I remember him grunting in pain as he got dressed in the morning. He did this because he felt it was his duty to support his wife and three sons. Eventually, he was no longer able to lift and he was forced to retire. He walked with a painful limp the rest of his life.

My Mother was a housewife. She was the Boss of the Marine and their three sons. What she said, went. The Marine and three sons honored her. She was the rock of the family.

Growing up my parents taught me this, if I crossed any line for a wrong reason, I would pay a heavy price. They left no doubt.
On the other hand, if I crossed any line for the right reason, they would praise me, they would call it courage and honor. They would defend, protect me with their very lives.

In High School, I was an honor roll student who hated school. I did not want to go to college. I wanted to leave the nest and learn about life. I wanted to explore life. I wanted to educate myself.

When I turned 18 I earned the right to vote. I knew nothing about politics at that age. I asked my Mom, Mom what am I, a Republican or Democrat. She said, Your Father is a working man, You will be a working man. Democrats take care of the working man better than Republicans. You are a Democrat. She told me the truth.

After High School I joined the Army. I served three years and was Honorably Discharged. While in the Army I Learned I had an old American trait. I was fiercely independent. There was not a dam thing I could do about, didn't want to, it was embedded in my DNA. That trait and military culture had a way of clashing at times, Lol.

After the my time in the service it was time to go to work. I went to work with the notion, A honest days work for an honest days pay. My father taught me that. For over 40 years I upheld my end of the bargain. For 40 years the Republican voters of America made the other end of that bargain slowly fade away.

For 40 years I proudly worked hard. I did it to have a better life . I did it to take care of my family. During those 40 years I also worked with a broken Heart. I recognized early on the Republican voters of America had decided to take an Old Far Right, self destructive path,( It started with Reagan) . I knew It would not end well. I knew it would block and harm everything I was working for. Republican voters over the past 40 years voted for people and ideas that harmed people, including themselves.

They voted to transfer their wealth, power, rights to the rich and corporations. They gave the rich control of the ship. They voted against their own rights. Pay went static, unions weakened, our benefits were taken away. Healthcare costs soared and the cost was passed onto the worker. It was like a giant tax on the working man. They voted to take away healthcare from people, including themselves. It was an act of madness. There is no other way to put it.

I cannot recall one time during the past forty years where I voted for someone or some policy with the purpose of hurting people. Even when I voted to tax the rich I was not trying to hurt them. I was voting for fairness. Republican voters, with the path they chose forty years ago, voted to hurt and tear down everything that is good. It has hurt people like myself as we tried to do the right thing.

Now I am at the edge of retirement. I sit here and wonder, will all of my years of hard work and service be enough? I sit here and wonder, How much better off would people like myself be, if the Republican voters did not take the path of self destruction? It makes me weep.

Today the Republicans voters have put in place a president who is a threat to everything I believe in, everything that is good, everything that I have worked for. He attacks and mocks veterans. He doesn't honor hard work, He honors loyalty. That is like poison to Americans like me.

The Republican voters take no responsibility for the damage they have done over forty years. They blame people like myself. They call us socialists, they call us the Far Left. Does my life like sound like the Far Left? Does my life sound like socialism?

They call me the Far Left for a reason they do not understand. For the past forty years they moved so far right you can't even see them anymore. Where they stand the center looks like the Far left. There was a time in America where people like me were called the center.

"They call me the Far Left"?

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shockey80 Jun 16 OP
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Dennis Donovan Jun 16 #2
MasonDreams Jun 16 #30
House of Roberts Jun 16 #37
MasonDreams Jun 17 #43
Hermit-The-Prog Jun 16 #3
onecaliberal Jun 16 #4
shockey80 Jun 16 #5
musette_sf Jun 16 #6
Martin Eden Jun 16 #7
shockey80 Jun 16 #10
LittleGirl Jun 16 #8
Karadeniz Jun 16 #9
shockey80 Jun 16 #17
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 16 #11
Caliman73 Jun 16 #12
shockey80 Jun 16 #18
erronis Jun 16 #20
hibbing Jun 16 #13
study war no more Jun 16 #14
gtar100 Jun 16 #15
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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:40 PM

1. ...



Kicked and recommended!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:43 PM

2. Kicking and Recommending

Well-stated! My story is very similar, except for military service. I was 18 in 1983, and there was no draft and no wars, so I signed up for the draft (I believe 1983 was the year that registration became mandatory). Besides, I fancied myself a musician, so I went to work in a factory during the day and played in clubs at night.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:38 PM

30. Mandatory registration for the draft began in 1978.

I turned 18 and registered in '79. They call me far Left too. I was active duty Army from '82-'86 got that honorable discharge without ever having to dodge bullets.
We should draft all 18yrs kids. Mandatory 2years. So everybody has skin in the game. Not just the poor kids who must choose between McJobs, gangs, or Armed forces. I don't care if you are a PHD candidate, train with a rifle, or overseas Peace Corps. It is only 2years.
That way, when the gov't wants a war EVERYBODY must look at the consequences. We would start funding the State Dept. then don't you think? When was the last time you heard a presidential candidate even SAY the word Peace? Have you heard, usually around Chirstmas, Peace on earth, Goodwill toward Men? They call me far Left. Well funded public high school is socialism for them. Feeding the hungry is socialism for them. Healthcare for people is socialism for them. They claim to love Jesus, the Prince of Peace, who healed the sick and fed the hungry. Ok, just do it. Sen.Mc turtle "the grim reaper" says even Joe Biden will put this country on a path toward socialism. We need a huge landslide, and we can get it if we slide a little to the Left. Back to the center.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:48 PM

37. I registered in 1974. It was mandatory then.

In 1971, the Military Selective Service Act (Selective Service Act of 1948) was further amended to make registration compulsory; all men had to register within a period 30 days before and 29 days after their 18th birthday.


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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:34 AM

43. There was a little gap. Men born from March 29, 1957

to December 31st 1959 were not required to register with selective service. They suspended the program and Pres.Carter restarted.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:54 PM

3. madness

Republicans use government power to hurt those unlike themselves.

Democrats use government power to help all.

When I was 18, I was a center - moderate. My views haven't changed, but now I, too, am called far left.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:02 PM

4. K&R

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:03 PM

5. Sidenote: My parents have passed on and I miss them, However

I am so happy they did not see the Horror Of Trump. My parents would have hated him with all their heart and soul. My Mom did not like swearing. When she got angry she would yell, Sweet Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Whenever my Father and my Brothers heard that, it was time to take cover.

She would have said that every time she saw Trump on TV. I am so happy she did not have to live through that.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:14 PM

6. K&R

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:25 PM

7. You are the center, the core of America

Republicans have marched off the edge of the Far Right ...

... into madness.

Tragically, many with backgrounds and lives similar to yours have been conned into marching with them.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:46 PM

10. So true, So many Americans like myself were conned and took the path of self destruction.

I witnessed it at the work place for over forty years. It was scary. I would ask fellow workers, why are you doing this? It was always about fear. I can't do this or not do that, I'm afraid.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:34 PM

8. I feel your pain, eom

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:36 PM

9. LOVED reading your story and thoughts. I feel honored that you shared this post with us!❤

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:54 PM

17. I exposed my heart, guts and soul in this post.

It was intense.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:47 PM

11. K&R

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:49 PM

12. That is the point, and unfortunately a lot of liberals oblige the Right and move toward their center

One of the key criticisms of liberalism from the actual "far left" is that liberalism is easy to exploit and move about. People do not seem to understand that the purpose of the Right is not to have a debate or discussion of ideas, but to move the country BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY to the right. They don't care about free speech even as they use the idea of free speech to keep their views being aired on the national scene.

They call people in the center "Far Left" for a few reasons. 1. Because liberals are scared of being seen as "far left" or "socialists" because we have all been indoctrinated to think that socialism is synonymous with Stalin's Soviet Union or Mao's China. There is no real understanding of Socialist Theory. Now personally, I am not sure that Socialism would be sustainable in large populations over long periods of time, but then I think that of any "pure" economic system. Becoming socialists would require a paradigm shift that I am not sure that we are capable of at this time. 2. The right wing knows that capitalism is a system that dehumanizes and inevitably concentrates the wealth and power in very few hands. Their focus is concentrating it in the correct hands, basically White Straight Christian Protestant Men. They do not care HOW they do this and so they prey on the liberal sense of fairness by claiming victim hood. The way Fox News personalities started with "The Liberal Media" which they never really define, but imply that anything outside of Fox is liberal. Now, they have moved beyond that to calling anything not specifically pushing their agenda as "Fake News". The sad thing is that "Fake News" started as a liberal concept pointing out actual news stories that were deliberately misleading or completely fabricated to push a right wing agenda. They take and use concepts like "the Deep State" which begin as liberal or leftist ideas (The Deep State was originally a concept used to define the CIA, FBI, and other law enforcement structures that infiltrated and disrupted leftist and populist movements like the Black Panthers, SNCC, the environmental movement, and others who were pushing against the status quo).

Like I said, the right wingers do it on purpose because they are gambling on the fact that Liberals will react by saying, "I'm not far left" and will thus monitor themselves and reject anything seemingly to the left of center. They do it so that they can call our welfare programs "socialist" and people will start to agree. They do it so that they can say that Social Security, Medicare, and especially Medicaid are "socialist" and "far left" and people will distance themselves from those programs at least politically. They call AOC, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, and other candidates "far left" so that anything they propose like the Green New Deal, which is an ambitious plan but with relatively moderate first steps; is considered a fundamentally leftist, communist take over of society. They did that to the ACA and it kind of worked. They called the ACA a "government takeover" and painted it as radical, when it was based off of a conservative model of healthcare finance. It worked, during 2010 and 2012, a lot of Democratic politicians ran away from ACA.

We have to get away from being appalled at being called "far left" or "socialist". If my desire that all Americans have access to high quality health care and that the financial burden is spread throughout society, with those with the most ability to pay sharing a larger share of the expense labels me a "socialist" then that is a title I will accept. Healthcare is a human right not a commodity to be bought and sold. If the government has to mandate that we move away from burning dirty fuels and invests our tax dollars aggressively in alternative, sustainable fuels; if that labels me "far left" then I am far left because apparently only the "far left" cares enough about the sustainability of people on earth to make those changes.

Right wingers know that they do not have the numbers, but they know they have the wealth. They will use anything they can to maintain their power. We should not oblige them by playing their word games.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:57 PM

18. You understand the meaning of my post.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:10 PM

20. An excellent addition to shockey80's post. Thank you both so much.

I'd love to see this conversation carried forward where it can stay at the forefront rather than cycled through the "Greatest and Latest".

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:49 PM

13. Kick n/t

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:49 PM

14. great post

awesome line!

Where they stand the center looks like the Far left.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:51 PM

15. K&R

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:52 PM

16. I'm likely further left

Ever since I began travel work, staying in RV parks, good and bad ones, I've met youth all over the southwestern USA. They are struggling to make ends meet, living in leaky roof trailers and working their asses off for minimum wage.
I'm 60, have had health issues that has limited my retirement options to eating a lot of hot dogs and tortilla wraps.
Especially since Blue Cross kicked me off their plan just when I needed extensive surgery, just before Obamacare.
It cost me my entire life savings to save my life. My oldest brother's wife was diagnosed with cancer back then too, and experienced the same problem. They were fully "upper middle class" citizens. They live in travel trailer now, on minimal funds.
I'm with the youth again. My trailer is now 20 years old, has made me a lot of money that all went to physicians.
But I look at them, consider my youth was similar yet the deck was not so ridiculously stacked that I couldn't work my way through college. That's a pipe dream for these youth now.
And I get bashed right here on DU for mentioning that placing their "lukewarm, establishment" candidate:
Completely deflates my GOTV efforts with these youth. They want real change, they want Bernie.
I'll vote for the Dem, as I always have.
Yet with many of my posts attempting to shift the Democratic mindset leftward, I get bashed right here on D.U.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:03 PM

19. I'm proud to wear that badge!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:17 PM

21. The Truth For Sure

Convincing voters to vote against their own self interest and well being is a real life con job.

And here we are, with a terrible dangerous half bright Con Man in the White House.

From FDR till B Actor Reagan the top marginal tax rate was over 60%, often 80% and more as I recall. The middle class was thriving. Reagan cut the top tax rate drastically and the Defense Budget And millionaires/billionaires benefited. The change was happening and picked up steam when Ronnie also axed the long standing Fairness Doctrine. That begat Fox News and crackpots like Limbaugh on the radio.

All that changed the brains of those who watched religiously.

And now we have that Orange Despot branding any news critical of him as Fake. That horrible man would not have wound up in the White House minus Faux News.

We are pretty far down the rabbit hole. I have some issues with Biden but......any port in his storm, any democrat will be a huge improvement and that Orange Fraud And Tax cheat can get a matching Orange jump suit....hopefully.

And hopefully people like Bullock will decide to run for the Senate, we need to take it back.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:25 PM

22. Great post Shockey, you too Caliman.

If being called a far left, possible socialist, hell even a borderline communist means EVERYONE gets a chance for a decent life and opportunity count me IN.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:30 PM

23. The Repukes have gone over a cliff

That's what happened when they followed Ronald Reagan. That was almost 40 years ago and the ultra-right was completely enabled to take their party to hell.

We Democrats cannot judge ourselves and our party by the craziness of the Repukes. All we can do is stick to our principles and votes with our conscience. The GOP will of course never do that because they don't have principles. They're just good little cockroaches who do as they are told. We aren't socialists, we're Americans who still believe in our Constitution and our American ideals of hard work, honesty and fair play. For ALL.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:35 PM

24. To the Greatest Pate

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:43 PM

25. too bad we can't be..

just Americans. We've been sliced and diced, with labels affixed that tell all who to hate.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:52 PM

26. Huge kick and rec.

Excellent posts, all. A huge thank you to the OP for starting this thread.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:00 PM

27. Great post

Rec

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:00 PM

28. if cons paid $1000/hr for radio time to move the center right, 1200 stations are worth $5BIL/year

FREE, paid for by local and national advertisers, most of which would be easy to scare off if any of the major dem and liberal orgs tried.

moving the center right is what they've been doing successfully for 30 fucking years because the 'left'/dems/progressives/liberals ignored it. the biggest political mistake in history, blaming symptoms of that constant coordinated messaging - like deregulation, money, voter suppression, fox etc....

two things for sure -
1) real democracy is impossible while it is ignored
2) getting trump out would be a hell of a lot easier if politicians of both parties saw the left protesting and boycotting RW radio stations and protesting the 88 universities that support 260+ limbaugh stations

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Response to certainot (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:51 PM

31. Closer to 40 years but you're right

It's the Reagan effect.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:10 PM

29. EVERYONE who does not agree 100% with a repug is FAR LEFT

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:03 PM

32. You said it! I can't count how many checkout line conversations I overheard that reflected this.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:17 PM

33. K&R

Well stated!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:52 PM

34. Thanks for sharing your story, Shockey80. A lot of parallels to mine.

We're now divided into two distinct camps - a dangerous dilemma for America.

I remember the days when a fellow-citizen's politics didn't matter and politics was rarely discussed. We talked occasionally about things government was doing but not much politics.

The right-wing has destroyed our society's unified, cohesive social fabric that allowed us to work together and build this nation.

KY.......

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:20 PM

35. ..except for the names and a few other changes, my story is the same.....

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:23 PM

36. It's atrocious. I actually am the Far Left

Abolish billionaires, get healthcare for everyone, and close most prisons... I could go on.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:03 PM

38. I love this!!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:51 AM

39. Please consider sending this wonderful piece

to the Times or the Post. It’s perfection.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:24 AM

40. Great post. But far left and far right have to do with ideologies, not general goodness & fairness.

The far left and far right are distinguished from each other, and from moderates, because they hold minority views that are considered extreme by most people (moderate left, centrists, and moderate right people).




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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:29 AM

42. Yes, but to the OP's point, Trumpists are deliberately erasing those delineations...

And falsely claiming that ANY Democrat is a loony-leftist-godless-marxist-Volvo-driving-latte-sipping-communist-gun-banning-welfare-cheating terrorists, etc., etc.
And
The right wing, far and otherwise, has, for decades, worked without surcease to falsely portray the average liberal Democrat as devoid of the “general goodness & fairness” you mention. They tell us (out loud, now, and to our face) that Democrats and liberals are sub-human, that we’re the *cause* of their unhappiness, and that without Democrats or liberals would be bliss.

For decades, they’ve been saying that liberal/Democratic ideology is THE thing to fear, THE thing that’s keeping you from enjoying life.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:39 AM

45. Uhm, everyone has ideologies, saying otherwise is being

unable to self examine thier beliefs.

I'm a Socialist because I interested in fairness and recognize that Capitalism enshrines unfairness and inequality.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:05 AM

48. False equivalence between far left and far right.

Far left may be a minority viewpoint, but it’s not dangerous in nature. The far right is dangerous, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, islamaphobic, and ignorant.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:05 PM

52. Again with the "false equivalency" thing.

News flash: Liberals are people. Conservatives are people. Both are political. To say that they all have eyes does not create a "false equivalency" and doesn't state traits of the eyes. But the reality is...they DO all have eyes.

Liberals and conservatives DO all have political beliefs and ideologies. I didn't list those beliefs, didn't rank them in order of importance or "goodness," didn't judge them. I merely stated the fact that all political people have political beliefs that fall on the spectrum of far left to far right (or vice versa).

People have gotten so touchy lately that a person can't even state an objective fact without kickback.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:08 PM

53. I guess I was just thinking out loud.

You’re right that you didn’t say they were the same. I apologize.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:51 AM

41. Recommended

Thank you

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:46 AM

44. K&R

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:59 AM

46. ding


been called leftist, communist pinko pig. the poster is spot on.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:02 AM

47. K&R for thread excellence!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:22 AM

49. This should be read by everyone in America. 😔

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:28 AM

50. Great OP. I read this the other day but time was tight so I've come back to it just to say

how much I enjoyed and appreciated what you had to say. Probably because to a significant extent it was my story as well. Blue collar, eastern MA, ancestors on my Mom's side arrived in 1620 (Plymouth Colony), Dad was a Marine and served in both WWII and Korea, local truck driver (Teamster's Union member), he and my Mom raised nine kids on that one income largely because my Dad worked all the OT he could get -- often worked 60 hours a week) in order to provide for us, but my stay-at-home Mom was the stalwart in the family -- she was the boss no question, etc., etc.

My parents taught me that I was a Democrat ... and why: because the Democrats worked for the working and middle class. There was never any question about that. If the candidate was a Democrat, that person would get our votes. ....

Long story short, I too watched knowingly over the past 40 years and repeatedly had my heart broken by a political center that consistently drifted right starting most obviously with Reagan and fueled by big money interests and Republican rapacious ideology that struck me always as "Me First".

It makes me angry that today I am considered "far left" or "socialist" as a result of the long rightward drift. It makes me angry that some -- even here at DU -- seem to think my views are radical or at best too much to hope for.

But I refuse to give up that hope and will continue to do what little I can to help shift the needle back to the middle.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:17 PM

51. Thank you...K&R

I have similar thoughts about our country. I wonder who this far left really is?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:08 PM

54. That makes me

a tad left of center.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:56 PM

55. Great post. I have a similar experience and my Dad provided for 5 with 1 income.

We have lost so much economic ground. Thanks for sharing.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:46 PM

56. Great post !

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