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Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:42 PM

Russian Hacks on U.S. Voting System Wider Than Previously Known

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections?fbclid=IwAR2hakrs8DpD-SMAq2EoxkLEbRGTxCJkpkxiouY7P_01yya7P8QmBto_jKE

Russiaís cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trumpís election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.ís patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isnít done meddling.

In many states, the extent of the Russian infiltration remains unclear. The federal government had no direct authority over state election systems, and some states offered limited cooperation. When then-DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said last August that the department wanted to declare the systems as national critical infrastructure -- a designation that gives the federal government broader powers to intervene -- Republicans balked. Only after the election did the two sides eventually reach a deal to make the designation.


A detailed article...worth reading.

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Sancho Jun 16 OP
zaj Jun 16 #1
Sancho Jun 16 #7
empedocles Jun 16 #2
Beakybird Jun 16 #3
FakeNoose Jun 16 #11
FBaggins Jun 16 #39
Captain Zero Jun 16 #16
uponit7771 Jun 17 #45
mopinko Jun 17 #49
Baltimike Jun 17 #57
Hortensis Jun 16 #4
malaise Jun 16 #5
underthematrix Jun 16 #6
Wellstone ruled Jun 16 #8
Baitball Blogger Jun 16 #9
The Figment Jun 16 #10
stopdiggin Jun 16 #12
triron Jun 16 #14
triron Jun 16 #13
stopdiggin Jun 16 #18
triron Jun 16 #23
stopdiggin Jun 16 #42
ElementaryPenguin Jun 16 #37
JudyM Jun 17 #48
cilla4progress Jun 16 #27
Proud Liberal Dem Jun 17 #60
Maine-i-acs Jun 16 #32
uponit7771 Jun 17 #46
triron Jun 17 #50
uponit7771 Jun 17 #63
brooklynite Jun 16 #36
Timmygoat Jun 16 #15
mudstump Jun 16 #17
sandensea Jun 16 #19
triron Jun 16 #24
Ford_Prefect Jun 16 #20
Amaryllis Jun 16 #40
dem in texas Jun 16 #21
BamaRefugee Jun 16 #22
triron Jun 16 #26
BamaRefugee Jun 16 #29
spanone Jun 16 #25
cilla4progress Jun 16 #28
Maine-i-acs Jun 16 #31
underpants Jun 16 #34
Maine-i-acs Jun 16 #41
triron Jun 17 #44
Maine-i-acs Jun 16 #30
underpants Jun 16 #33
ElementaryPenguin Jun 16 #35
triron Jun 17 #43
Achilleaze Jun 16 #38
anarch Jun 17 #47
Botany Jun 17 #51
saidsimplesimon Jun 17 #52
Botany Jun 17 #53
saidsimplesimon Jun 17 #55
Botany Jun 17 #56
saidsimplesimon Jun 17 #58
triron Jun 17 #59
Baltimike Jun 17 #62
BlueJac Jun 17 #54
Blue_Tires Jun 17 #61
triron Jun 17 #64
triron Jun 17 #65

Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:45 PM

1. From 2017

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Response to zaj (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:03 PM

7. Here in Florida many still don't believe it...

....and I hope that there's enough investigation and publicity to do something before 2020.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:46 PM

2. These HACKS, compounded with Deutsch Bank/putin, owning traitortrump, at some

point, - needs to be relentlessly driven into voter minds.

[Not yet, if many voters still assume trump is 'a good businessman'].

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:53 PM

3. But the Russians were unable to change one vote.

Such is the security of our great 20 year old Diebold voting machines.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:23 PM

11. Wisconsin already has proof, probably other states too

I think you forgot the "sarcasm" thingy on your post.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:22 PM

39. Link?

I have yet to see a report of plausible vote changing.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:10 PM

16. Yeah right. If they had access to pollbooks, I think they did THIS.

They didn't get access to pollbooks for nothing... I think they ADDED legit voters who live in the area (it's why the GOP was giving them demographic data), but who were not registered, then voted them for Trump on election day. Everyone always says they were deleting voters. I SAY THEY WERE ADDING VOTERS, AND VOTING THEM FOR TRUMP.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:54 AM

45. Good theory, harder to trace this tactic

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:57 AM

49. well, twitler sorta confessed to this-

didnt he say that there were people going from polling place to polling place, voting all day?

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:09 PM

57. Link? nt

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:58 PM

4. "Republicans balked." Of course. From Comey we need what

he knows about election interference from domestic enemies. Under oath. After investigation persuades him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:01 PM

5. Why do we say Russian hacks and not ReTHUG hacks

They were done on behalf of ReTHUGs who then said to keep it secret.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:02 PM

6. I said ths over two years ago.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:14 PM

8. Funny thing,

here in Vegas each fall there is a Hackers Convention. When you have Middle School Kids Hacking the hell out of these voting machines,well,guess what,that machine software is pure crap.

The Young fellow who hacked a machine in record time was detained by local FBI people. And of course the local Media never followed up on that story.

And how did they find the Machines that they Hacked,found them on E Bay and other online sites. Most never had their memory cards erased and the story that never made the news was,the memories of some of the machines showed evidence of being manipulated before the Hackers had their chance to mess with them.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:14 PM

9. Of course it was. They don't fucking tell us anything in a timely manner.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:22 PM

10. I've always believed that the Russians hacked and vote flipped

A bunch of machines in a broad based hack on our electoral system, most folks think I'm just nutso but how else could Shitler have won?

It wouldn't take much to change just a few votes in each county in the three states that gave him the electoral college win.

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Response to The Figment (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:04 PM

12. Trump won because people bought his sh**

Trump won because a lot of Americans are much more venal that they're willing to tell you. (uninformed and just plain butt stupid also play a roll) "Establishment politicians", "the system is rigged", "Americans are being taken advantage of", along with a good healthy dose of that old Republicans standby fear mongering and racism ... You can blame the Russians if you want, but the fact is a LOT of Americans BOUGHT this toxic pile of crap.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:41 PM

14. Too many were either misinformed or mal-informed. But in the end it was decided with election

tampering.

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Response to The Figment (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:38 PM

13. They changed vote tallies but probably not by attacking individual voting machines.

Exit polling also point (statistically) to election manipulation.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:22 PM

18. I'll accept that when I see a major headline

I keep on hearing this. I'm skeptical .. basically because I think if there was anything really solid here it would have BLOWN UP in the major media. Not only US, but undoubtedly around the world. Maybe that's what you mean by "statistically point?" What I do keep hearing (and reading) is "no solid proof."

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:12 PM

23. You almost certainly never will. What you believe is exactly what corporate America

and mainstream media want you to believe.

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Response to triron (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:07 PM

42. and the right has their deep state boogieman nt

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:39 PM

37. Ding, ding!!!

You nailed it, triron! You spoke the unspeakable truth! Exit polls proved there was tampering. Of course! After all the influence campaigning Russia had done - on the eve of the election, Hillary was still heavily favored to win. What was Putin going to do - be content with a close loss? Princeton University technology department was asked just weeks before the election - would Russia be capable of hacking and changing our election results? Their reply was "it would be child's play for the Russians."


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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:04 AM

48. Progress on climate change hangs in the balance. Resist!

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Response to The Figment (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:29 PM

27. Me, too! I believe history

will bear us out. He won by less that 1% in three states - garnering electoral college vote. Coincidence? Highly doubtable.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:25 PM

60. In states that don't typically go red no less

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Response to The Figment (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:29 PM

32. stick to your gut on this, too fishy to barely win those states

esp. where Hillary was slated to win
look at the R governors and SOS's
Look which machines are scanning and tabulating, and who they support

Then Shitler knew the fix was in, so he scrambled there to have some last minute rallies of the clueless and toothless, in order to add a smudge of credibility to the surprise finding

but he couldn't keep his mouth shut, and bragged about those wins a little too much

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Response to Maine-i-acs (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:57 AM

46. THIS !!!! It's strange that the states she lost by razor thin margins were all VSM red states

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:31 AM

50. VSM?

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Response to triron (Reply #50)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:45 PM

63. Voter Suppression Measure states

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Response to The Figment (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:38 PM

36. "Voting System" DOES NOT MEAN voting machines...

There is NO HARD EVIDENCE that votes were flipped (and if they were, no explanation as to why they weren't flipped in 2018) and NOBODY involved in the 2016 election (candidates, campaign staff, Party Chairs) say they were.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:01 PM

15. My conclusion

We have an illegitimate president.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:17 PM

17. I have a nagging feeling.....

that just before the next election we will find out that the Russians hacked the actual votes in a number of key states.....and will know that no one did anything to prevent it happening again. This country is in deep trouble.

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Response to mudstump (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:33 PM

19. +1

Those votes were flipped like a plateful of blinis.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:13 PM

24. Yep. +1000

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:40 PM

20. The Russians were not the only hackers involved.

The principal companies providing voting hardware and software are owned by Right-wing conservatives. They were when HAVA was passed.

There is evidence of vote rigging by various means from the polling level up to the state tabulation in all of the elections since HAVA became law and especially in 2016. Typically it happens in states with GOP governors, but it was not limited to that. The easy way was to hide the vote rigging in the last software update applied to on-site voting machines. The bugged software runs during the election and then erases itself.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:56 PM

40. +1,000

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:44 PM

21. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million, that was too much of variance

A very smart mathematician could figure out which states and which districts to alter to win the electoral college. All three states difference was just under the 5% threshold that would have triggered an audit of the electoral votes.

Look at how the gerrymandering works, they can figure out just how to arrange the lines in a district to keep it in Republican control.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:45 PM

22. I was posting in 2016 that this would be the GRASSY KNOLL of elections...

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:15 PM

26. So then what will 2020 be?

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Response to triron (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:39 PM

29. "THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL"... another Electoral College victory but 15 million fewer votes

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:13 PM

25. K&R...

goddammit

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:33 PM

28. Plus, anyone recall how exit polling went?

I don't.

If I recall correctly, exit polling in 2004 showed a Kerry win..but GW got the re-elect. Also questionable. Cheaters from way back.

Do most people know that exit polling is considered a highly reliable indicator? That's what we used to use when WE were election monitors overseas - many times under Jimmy Carter.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:26 PM

31. thank you, Ohio 2004 was a steal

SOS and voting machines in repub. pockets
vote tabulators routed to a server owned by Karl Rove
mysterious death of a programmer
and please don't forget Clint Curtis' testimony to congress showing how he wrote code to change tabulator vote totals.
ballots disappearing into private vehicles

it all adds up
unless you're a Democrat and then it won't add up in your favor.

Ohio 2004 is where they "changed the exit polling totals after to reflect the actual vote reported"
never had to do that before...

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Response to Maine-i-acs (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:32 PM

34. Clint Curtis. Thanks.

Yes I'd forgotten about that. Bookmarking thread primarily for your post.

Franklin County Ohio 2004 - didn't they run away to the top of the courthaouse and excluded the press while they counted votes?

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Response to underpants (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:30 PM

41. tip of the iceberg there, but typical

the counting process itself routinely broke rules
bipartisanship especially
there were also 'paper democrats' - R's who switched parties JUST to be included in the vote counting, as D 'witnesses'.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:11 AM

44. Exit polls had HRC winning Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Michigan was a tossup.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:22 PM

30. this shows Comey knew of Russians hacking into elections

another reason for TrumpenFuhrer to fire him,

then brag to the Russian ambassador and FM about it right after
to show them that he did their bidding
removing an obstacle
and giving a green light for them to continue

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:30 PM

33. 3 short points on this - talk radio, Sen.Warner, political comment

1. This has been talk radio's great final statement on this THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANY VOTES. Limbaugh has been big on this for a while. I knew from how much it's repeated there it had to be a distraction/lie.

2. Sen Warner publicly stated after the Senate research on this that Russian elements changed search engine results specifically in certain areas of Michigan Wisconsin Pennsylvania. If you searched for a recipe you got at least one ad pro-Trump AND one anti-Hillary. This is never noted in the media.

3. The political commentators brushed off Russian involvement because they could never understand the nuances of American politics. Bullshit. My wife and I, let alone a team of people with hacking assistance, could take a week and list the top precincts to target in each swing state. The numbers are available.

Ok. Done now.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:33 PM

35. Exit polls had Clinton winning electoral college - 23 of 25 state results skewed toward Trump

Over the margin of error - which is said to be the same odds as flipping a coin heads 23 out of 25 tries - astronomical - gazillions to one!

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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:09 AM

43. Not a gazillion but very large number.

I believe I calculated something like 750000 to 1. Likely to happen once every 3 million years.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:50 PM

38. russia is running the republican, inc. shitshow

republicans are in bed with the freaking Evil Empire*


* russia, according to ronald freaking reagan

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:04 AM

47. I predict that this time around there will be much less Russian hacking

in that the GOP will just openly work with the Russians from the start, so they won't really have to hack anything, they'll just be given access to all the data, etc...

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:37 AM

51. Putin wasn't into those systems just to "look around."

Trump wasn't elected but installed by Russia.

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Response to Botany (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:09 PM

52. You are correct,

and every day there are new horrors coming out of his pie hole in a never ending barker, side show.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:12 PM

53. The exit polls had HRC winning and don't forget that 16 million people were removed from voter ....

... rolls prior to the 2016 vote.

https://thinkprogress.org/states-purged-16-million-voters-from-the-rolls-before-the-2016-election-1c5688dcaad7/

Every time I hear about Trump getting elected or trying to be re-elected I want to scream.

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Response to Botany (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:21 PM

55. Yet, Republicans

and their beloved leader are blocking all efforts to insure our elections are safe from foreign meddling. As for the injustice done to Mrs. Clinton, I can only hope that historians will label IT as the first President funded and elected by Russia.

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Response to Botany (Reply #56)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:10 PM

58. I have read before, this time

I will forward the link.

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Response to Botany (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:21 PM

59. The media is horrible on (NOT) covering this.

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Response to triron (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:13 PM

62. because the liberal media has been the conservative press all along. nt

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:19 PM

54. K&R

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:04 PM

61. Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

64. Media pretty much ignored this. Even Rachel.

I am losing hope. Something is not right with the democrats either.
Get ready for resurgence of Nazism.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:35 PM

65. knr

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