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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:58 PM Jun 2019

We still have questions about whether Russia meddled in N.C. That's a bad sign. - WaPo Editorial

A Post investigation detailed how North Carolina officials have desperately sought information and help from the Department of Homeland Security following a possible Election Day 2016 breach, in which Durham County’s electronic poll books, which provide information on eligible voters, improperly rejected people at their polling places. Election officials resorted to using paper-based poll books, creating massive delays. If a malicious foreign actor wanted to promote havoc on Election Day or call election results into question, this is one way it might happen.

State officials initially thought human error caused the problems, but they could not be sure. They got more concerned after a report that the Kremlin had targeted an election vendor — that is, a third-party company that provides election hardware or software to state and local governments — involved in polling book software. The company from which Durham County got its polling book software, VR Systems, claims that it did not hear from DHS until September 2017, months after a news report revealed that the Russians had targeted an election services firm matching its description, and that, when it did hear, word came in the form of a strange 2 a.m. phone call.

Last year, North Carolina’s attorney general formally requested clarification from DHS on the state’s past and present vulnerabilities. His office reports that he did not receive a substantive answer. By many accounts, the trickle of information flowing from federal to state authorities has increased substantially since Russia’s presidential election hacking, as more state officials have obtained security clearances and as the scope of the threat has become clearer. North Carolina officials also insist that DHS has generally stepped up its game on election security, cooperating intensively with the state to evaluate the integrity of its voting systems.

But it is absurd that there is still any question about whether Durham County’s 2016 polling book problems were tied to the Kremlin. The Trump administration must do better. Federal officials must regulate election vendors as well as state systems. Congress should demand it — and provide whatever funds are needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-still-have-questions-about-whether-russia-meddled-in-nc-thats-a-bad-sign/2019/06/16/266069b6-8c73-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html?utm_term=.aa082fec936e




VR Systems, claims that it did not hear from DHS until September 2017, months after a news report revealed that the Russians had targeted an election services firm matching its description, and that, when it did hear, word came in the form of a strange 2 a.m. phone call.

I mean, wtf?

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We still have questions about whether Russia meddled in N.C. That's a bad sign. - WaPo Editorial (Original Post) octoberlib Jun 2019 OP
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they did. octoberlib Jun 2019 #1
As you say, wtf. It's becoming more and more reasonable to Hortensis Jun 2019 #2
The media and much of the public assumed the polling oscillations were due to Comey's triron Jun 2019 #9
It is a good thing we have had real elections to validate the veracity of polling. Beausoleil Jun 2019 #11
Strange election results could be "hidden" by strange swings. Hortensis Jun 2019 #15
Illegitimate republicans should do the honorable thing Achilleaze Jun 2019 #3
It would be best if we don't wait on that! pandr32 Jun 2019 #6
You are right. But I'm into multitasking: dreaming, waiting, and acting in the Unified Field Achilleaze Jun 2019 #12
Lol. Hold that banner high for all of us, please. Hortensis Jun 2019 #16
Obviously each state needs to reassure its citizens that its voting processes are safe and ... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #4
NC's working on it. octoberlib Jun 2019 #5
Good. MO and the St. Louis Board of Elections are too...we're retaining (by overwhelming... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #7
That's the best fix. octoberlib Jun 2019 #10
Texas isn't. Lonestarblue Jun 2019 #21
Three years on.....trump couldn't care less spanone Jun 2019 #8
and who hacked du? mopinko Jun 2019 #13
After losing, Repub Gov McCrory targeted this county for election vote recount wishstar Jun 2019 #14
Of course they did. This denial of what happened and NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #17
I live in NC and I smelled a rat right from the get go on Election night mnhtnbb Jun 2019 #18
Oh look Durham County is 37% African American and 5% Hispanic (my guess from reading the graph) Botany Jun 2019 #19
Read about the Red Shift in voting essaynnc Jun 2019 #20

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they did.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:14 PM
Jun 2019

Florida also uses VR Systems and Rubio and DeSantis alluded to problems there as well but wouldn't say what.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. As you say, wtf. It's becoming more and more reasonable to
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jun 2019

suspect the government could be sitting on evidence of interference in the vote, here and elsewhere. I didn't rush to it at election time, and Trump is president because he was sworn in, but was he actually elected?

Virtually every poll had him way behind, then there was that bizarre wild oscillation of poll swings in the last few weeks, and the election results that confounded every professional observer. Including, I believe, the one California outlier who predicted Trump would win because that analysis did not include Russian, NYT and AP, or FBI interference.

triron

(21,980 posts)
9. The media and much of the public assumed the polling oscillations were due to Comey's
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jun 2019

letter. But perhaps this is a false flag.The Princeton Election Consortium gave HRC a 99%
chance of winning right up to election day. Sam Wang has never been so wrong.
Exit polls predicted HRC would win as did early voting. Everything smells. But the media
quietly ignores all this.

Beausoleil

(2,832 posts)
11. It is a good thing we have had real elections to validate the veracity of polling.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jun 2019

We used to do it the other way around, you know - using exit polling to affirm election results, which doesn't work at all any more. So this is next best! Now we use elections to disprove polls!

It's a good thing for the media because the last thing they need is to be bothered by their constitutional responsibility of asking the hard questions about election fraud, gerrymandering, campaign finance violations, foreign influence, etc. It's just not very profitable.

Besides, we should be very secure in the knowledge that NOT ONE vote was changed! Going back to 2004, at least, NOT ONE vote. Even with our buddies, the Russians breaking into systems in at least 39 states, NOT ONE vote was altered and no races were affected; they are just that stupid. Thankfully, no election results were affected, EVER.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Strange election results could be "hidden" by strange swings.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jun 2019

As for the media, they're not all equal. We know the NYT and AP are dirty. We also don't know if any subject is censored, but when they are coverage disappears.

SWBTATTReg

(22,044 posts)
4. Obviously each state needs to reassure its citizens that its voting processes are safe and ...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jun 2019

secure. Forget the feds...by the way they got around to even seeing any correspondence or the like asking for help or particulars, it's too late.

SWBTATTReg

(22,044 posts)
7. Good. MO and the St. Louis Board of Elections are too...we're retaining (by overwhelming...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jun 2019

demand) paper ballots too, where you actually have to use a lead pencil to mark the ballot.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
21. Texas isn't.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jun 2019

Even with direct evidence (taken with phones of the actual screens) that machines were flipping votes from Beto to Cruz in 2018, the Sec. of State just claimed it was all voter error. The same thing has been happening for a decade with these old machines but they refuse to do anything because the flip is from a Dem to a Republican.

wishstar

(5,267 posts)
14. After losing, Repub Gov McCrory targeted this county for election vote recount
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:22 PM
Jun 2019

Repubs clearly hoped some kind of voting irregularity had occurred where they could have votes for Dem. Roy Cooper disqualified. Fortunately, the longer the recount went on, the more additional votes were counted for Cooper from absentees. Seemed though that Repubs were hoping the election interference in this heavily Democratic area would help them to win NC

NRaleighLiberal

(60,004 posts)
17. Of course they did. This denial of what happened and
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jun 2019

giving orange asshole any benefit of a doubt is incredibly maddening.

It's all right there. Let's start the process of getting his ass out of there and locking all of the criminals up.

I think the powder is so beyond dry. Enough!

mnhtnbb

(31,365 posts)
18. I live in NC and I smelled a rat right from the get go on Election night
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jun 2019

Hillary was ahead by 150,000 votes in NC when the first totals went up. Even if all the tiny red counties went predominantly for Trump it seemed unlikely they could catch up to that kind of lead if the big blue counties returned with substantial margins for her.

The Dem candidate for Governor--incumbent Attorney General Roy Cooper--squeaked by with a win over the then Governor bathroom boy McCrory. Cooper's numbers out of the gate were nothing like Hillary's lead. Not even close. The Governor's race was a horse race all night...and continued on for nearly a month before McCrory conceded.

Botany

(70,422 posts)
19. Oh look Durham County is 37% African American and 5% Hispanic (my guess from reading the graph)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jun 2019
https://durhamnc.gov/DocumentCenter/View/12985/Population-by-Race-2010-2016?bidId=

Let me guess the race of those who were stopped from voting.

essaynnc

(799 posts)
20. Read about the Red Shift in voting
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:58 PM
Jun 2019

Just remember that statistics is a very accurate mathematical discipline. To see that virtually every race in the country shifted from the poles and exit data toward the republican candidate is an infinitesimally remote possibility. But like most science these days, it's being ignored.

Isn't it Stalin that said that it didn't matter who voted, it mattered who counted the votes??????

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