These are the first words you see when you enter the Auschwitz exhibition

[dixiegrrrrl]

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at http://mjhnyc.org


Doesn't seem too far fetched right now, does it?

[tblue37]

1. K&R for visibility. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Not far fetched at all. It sure as hell can happen again, and it might very soon. n/t

[Nuggets]

3. No one is saying it cannot happen here.

They are saying she’s not bringing any new news to the table and divided progressives in the process. Not very smart.

So...
What is she going to do about it?

Where’s her legislation to stop it?

[emmaverybo]

6. Primo Levi meant genocide-- as in the holocaust. And here, of Native Americans, in Bosnia, Cambodia,

and Rwanda. Not by any means an exhaustive list. It is intentional mass killing.

I still believe AOC meant to reference the holocaust, to many Jews an offensive comparison.

Nonetheless, I would like to see her propose active interventions, document conditions in detention
centers, lobby for greater media coverage and follow up, insist on discovering the fate of the “lost” children, present authoritative information about the consequences on emotional health and child development of family separation...etc. etc.

Primo Levi committed suicide. His memoir of his experience in Auschwitz, if This is a Man, is a harrowing account. Although he stressed perseverance and survival in his writings, Ellie Wiesel, also an Auschwitz survivor, said that Levi died “in Auschwitz, 40 years later.”

Although our government is not carrying out a genocidal plan against Central American asylum seekers and refugees, many will be traumatized for life; some deported back to violence, extortion,
grueling poverty could die. There has been at least one known murder of a deportee in Mexico due to a mistaken gang hit and of a two transgender women, one while in custody and the other shortly after release.

[Nuggets]

8. Yes these people will be traumatized for life

“I would like to see her propose active interventions, document conditions in detention
centers, lobby for greater media coverage and follow up, insist on discovering the fate of the “lost” children, present authoritative information about the consequences on emotional health and echild development of family separation...etc. etc. “

Work with Dems who are already experienced and familiar with the process.


More hands on, work less PR.

[emmaverybo]

14. Well, I agree that she needs to take her soap box and eloquence to the dreaded "establishment,"

enlist Dem members who know the ropes.

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. What this administration IS doing meets the UN definition of genocide.

According to Article 2 of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1.killing members of the group;
2. causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; ( as you mentioned)
3.deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4.imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5.forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Border Patrol argued in court the other day that they should not have to provide soap, toothpaste/brushes, and beds to the children, who have been sleeping on cold cement floors with an aluminum wrap for blankets.

See my recent post OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL DHS report on the concentration camps:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212202181

which describes the inhumane crowding of inmates, such that people are standing on the toilet seats in each overcrowded cell just to get a better breath of air.

The cells are so tightly packed people cannot sit or lie down. ( remind you of anything?)

A cell with a maximum capacity of 12 held 76 detainees
a cell with a maximum capacity of 8 held 41 detainees
a cell with a maximum capacity of 35 held 155 detainees

Border Patrol agents told us some of the detainees had been held in standing-room-only conditions for days or weeks.

People are forced to stand for days, wearing the same clothes as when they were captured, in severe crowded conditions. Now there are reports of communicable diseases spreading.

[emmaverybo]

19. Thank you for enlightening me. Sincerely. Thank you for the link. Nt

[Kind of Blue]

20. Thank you, dixiegrrrrl. And as far as AOC, she was the first

in my memory to grill a bank, back in March during the House Financial Services Committee's pattern of consumer abuses, chief executive Tim Sloan of Wells Fargo, “Why was the bank involved in the caging of children and financing the caging of children to begin with?”

"The exchange highlighted the divisiveness over the family separation policy, but also the dispute over the language used to describe the detention facilities. Government officials have previously requested the media not refer to them as 'cages.' As recently as last week, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen got into a semantic back-and-forth with members of Congress about what constitutes a cage."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/13/ocasio-cortez-asks-wells-fargo-ceo-why-bank-finances-caging-children/?utm_term=.5d9d54157aed

Soon after and in March, "JPMorgan Chase has said it will stop financing private prisons and detention centers following protests."
JPMorgan Chase Ends Financing of Private Prisons – Should More Banks Pull Funding? https://www.countable.us/articles/22533-jpmorgan-chase-ends-financing-private-prisons-banks-pull-funding

[dixiegrrrrl]

29. Thank YOU...

I knew not of the bank issue. Appreciate the info.

[Kind of Blue]

32. You're so welcome! As we've found, the information is there if

you Really want to know

[angrychair]

21. I humbly disagree

Although our government is not carrying out a genocidal plan against Central American asylum seekers

Really? Because they are creating a very purposeful plan to dehumanize and attack them, especially children.

We are holding CHILDREN in camps under indefinite detention and subjecting them to solitary confinement and other punitive methods. DHS has stated that due to "budget issues" they will be denying them recreational activities, school and access to legal aid.

The DOJ is actively in court, right now, to challenge the need of CHILDREN in their custody have a warm place to sleep, toothbrushes or even soap.
Reference: https://www.courthousenews.com/feds-tell-9th-circuit-detained-kids-safe-and-sanitary-without-soap/

People tend to think of history in broad strokes, the executive summary, of what happened.
People forget the years long effort at blaming of Jews and other "undesirables" for the issues in Germany, the attacks and dehumanization media campaign by the then rising nazi party, the ghettos, arrests and beatings with no charges. These things occered over years.

No one, including AOC, is implying that the US govt currently plans to put children into camps and then murder illegal immigrants.

That actually wasn't the plan in the beginning in Germany either. The actual plan for that was called "the final solution" for a reason. It was to stop pretending they had any other interests than the murder of 'undesirables" in German society.

It can happen. It has happened. It can happen again.

[sop]

26. Pope Pius, after touring nazi death camps following the war, noted:

"Fascists don't tell their followers who to kill, they tell them who to hate, and let human nature take its course."

Trump has been fomenting hatred of these immigrants (and others) for years. It's no surprise conditions in these concentration camps (I use the term advisedly) are so terrible, and mistreatment of immigrants is seen as justified by Trump's supporters.

A significant number of Trump's more violent followers, if given the green light, would readily begin exterminating immigrants. The only thing holding them back is we are still a somewhat civilized country, but that could easily change given the right circumstances.

[dixiegrrrrl]

30. I'm stealing that quote. n/t

[LanternWaste]

22. I'd imagine that information is easily available

"So... What is she going to do about it? Where’s her legislation to stop it?"


I'd imagine that information is easily available after a mere five minute internet search for anyone whose curiosity is actually sincere.

And yes, of course there are people who are saying it can't happen here.

[dixiegrrrrl]

31. Not to mention that Mcconnell continues to block House bills, for the most part.

which is why we have to take the senate back next year.

[Volaris]

4. Pfffft...this is 'Murica. We would never do that to Other White People.

And if I need to put the sarcasm thingie here, you're hanging out in the wrong forum.

As it is , my president should PROBABLY get to stand trial in the Hauge.

I hate the people who made this real, in a nation that ALSO elected Barrack Obama.

[appalachiablue]

5. K & R. Primo Levi. 'It Can Happen Here'

[orangecrush]

7. KICK

[getagrip_already]

9. meh, you lefties are all the same....

Correct as usual.

When will you start screwing up and actually be wrong? Really, this is getting old. You just don't get it.

Stop, just die. I don't care who you think I am, or if you have a point. Just stop. (Don't).

Note: not me, just what I hear.....

[smirkymonkey]

10. K&R

[iluvtennis]

11. Exactly...K&R.

[MFGsunny]

12. K & R for visibility .... n/t

[Stuart G]

13. It happened in Cambodia in the 70s..Khmer Rouge did the killing

Haven't heard of this? Hit the link below..warning..awful, ugly, and unbelievable (just like the Holocaust)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

[dixiegrrrrl]

36. Yes, the Killing Fields.

Would loved to have had the internet back then, we could have done so much more.

[MasonDreams]

15. "Bad men need nothing more to compass thier ends,

Than that good men should look on and do nothing." John Stewart Mill

After Pearl Harbor, Admiral Isorku Yamamoto said "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve."

We are not powerless. We must be filled with a terrible resolve, and We must act. We will be blamed for the shit this monster will do in our name.

[Duppers]

16. "We repeat what we don't repair."

We need need more education.

[Maru Kitteh]

18. My Nazi-killing WWII father said often: "Never forget it can happen here."

I always believed him, I hoped that I would never bear witness to anything that would invoke concern for his warning.

[lark]

23. It's been happening here, like a stone gathering moss going downhill, for the past 3 years.

If drumpf wins another term, we will not be the United Statea of America any longer, and our constitution will be voided and only used as a tool against us and will never constrain the fascist government one bit.

[calimary]

24. No. It doesn't. Not too far-fetched at all.

Especially when it IS happening HERE.

Right NOW.

[Scurrilous]

25. K&R

[corbettkroehler]

27. Thanks For Sharing! Juan Cole Posted A Further Reminder, From Before The Holocaust

Yes, Liz Cheney, AOC is right that US is Running Concentration Camps for Refugees

http://juancole.com/2019/06/running-concentration-refugees.html

Juan Cole

June 20, 2019

___________________

[note scan of newspaper article from the year 1919]

[dixiegrrrrl]

37. Thank you for the link

Cole seems to be another voice I can add to my list.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

28. K & R

[Honeycombe8]

33. This is true. nt

[Politicub]

34. I was there more than 10 years ago and so much

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is seared into my brain.

When I read about the migrant children who have been separated from their parents at the border, I think of the pile of shoes near the end of the museum. So many shoes.

My heart aches. The museum should be required viewing for every American.

I am in tears now in anger at this administration and its concentration camps. And that’s what they are. Concentration camps. AOC and George Takei are right in calling the children’s camps what they are.

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. I made sure to add a thank you tweet to both of them.

am hearing more voices raised in recognition of the truth of the camps, too.

[pazzyanne]

35. Today it is happening right here on our southern border,

and we, the American taxpayers, are paying for it!

[dixiegrrrrl]

39. Shameless kick

for the night shift members.