Is there anybody out there that believes Trump and Bolton's version of events?

[pink]

If Trump didn't pull out of the deal with Iran, I'm sure we wouldn't be experiencing the concerns that are happening today. I'm sorry, call me a cynic, but I don't believe anything Trump, Pompeo or Bolton have to say about anything in relation to the latest crisis they have dragged the world into.

My cynical self tells me that Iran had nothing to do with bombing those oil tankers. Why would they do that to a Japanese boat at the very same time they were speaking to Abe ( the Japanese PM) in their own country. Also, I believe that the drone was over Iran's territory and with good reason, shot it down.

For the last few months the Trump administration have been provoking Iran and now look where we are.

[underthematrix]

1. NO

[pink]

2. When do you think they will be bringing out the grainy photos of the WMD's n/t

[underthematrix]

4. There will be no war with IRAN

Not gonna happen.

[smirkymonkey]

3. Not at all.

They have been gunning for this for a long time. I don't believe one word of their bullshit. They are going to set things up so that people will "see" that they "have" to go to war with Iran. "It will be our only choice". They make me sick.

[pink]

5. I dread to think of how many people will die

I heard Ben Yahoo say that Israel and Saudi Arabia will back the Americans up. Them and other "peace loving" countries. Australia is considered as an ally, so I'm sure my poor excuse for a government will just about fall over themselves to take up arms. The UK is too busy worrying about who's going to be their next PM and Brexit and Trump has made an enemy of almost everybody in Europe. Please tell me I'm just having a nightmare and that I'll soon wake up.

[smirkymonkey]

7. I wish I could. I have been feeling that way for the last two years and it

feels like a nightmare that will never end. But it eventually will. What worries me is what will happen between now and then. The best thing that could happen is that he could drop dead tomorrow, but we can't be too hopeful. The next best thing is that he will be voted out in 2020. And anything else, I don't really want to contemplate right now.

[BlueSpot]

6. It blows my mind to say it but

I have no confidence in anything the government/military/intelligence are telling us right now. That simple fact disturbs the hell out of me but I guess it is understandable considering the number of lies we've been told over the last couple of years.

They might be telling the total truth today, but the boy has cried wolf so often, I no longer know what to think.

[Voltaire2]

15. We've lied our country into 4 wars in my lifetime.

It is what we do. In this respect, Trump is just following the script.

[Skittles]

8. WHO would believe Bolton after the last war???

Bolton would not even BE here if Bush INC had been held accountable for LYING THEIR WAY INTO A WAR.

[uponit7771]

9. Nope

[moondust]

10. Iran going to the U.N.

Iran says will take drone incident to UN to show US 'lying'

I doubt Iran would take it to the U.N. if they didn't have a pretty strong case.

Dump has always been a tinpot dictator in his own company who inherited enough money to hire corrupt lawyers to intimidate his adversaries. Maybe he'll figure out that that won't always work against other countries with large military forces and real diplomats. Duh.

[malaise]

11. It's all BS while they terrorize the planet

Why should anyone believe this made up shit

[KG]

12. oh c'mon. sure, there's only grainy video without context. why would the gov't lie to america?

[former9thward]

13. The Democratic leadership has been briefed.

What leader or 2020 candidate is disputing that Iran is responsible? The boats did not attack themselves. If you don't believe the intelligence, fine, but that must mean you believe those who do have let themselves be conned.

[mercuryblues]

14. Iran is protected by China

And has favorable ties with Russia. If you want to see the economy tank in a day the easiest way to do it is to bomb Iran. China will pull all of its investments out of the stock market.

[Voltaire2]

16. I don't think China has any military presence in Iran

In fact I don't think they have any military capabilities (aside from a relatively small number of nukes) for projecting significant force outside China and its surrounding borders and seas.

[pink]

17. I don't think the American govt has ever gotten over the Iranian's rejection of the Shah

When Iraq went to war against Iran America supported Iraq. There are photos of Rumsfeld shaking Sadam Hussain's hand. In the mean time they have propped up Israel and Saudi Arabia with billions of dollars in arms and have also supplied Saudi Arabia with nuclear technology. Obama and many other countries made a deal with Iran which was working well. Now, what I believe to have happened is that Trump with the encouragement of Bolton has set Iran up as the bad guys. Iran had nothing to do with bombing those oil tankers and the drone was in Iranian airspace. What is the end game?