Article: 2 Years Ago I Compared Trump To Hitler Nobody Listened.

[bdamomma]

https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/two-years-ago-i-compared-trump-to-hitler-nobody-listened/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&u tm_campaign=374


For some reason I can't cut and paste key comments from this article. It's scary and impeachment is the answer.

[AncientGeezer]

1. It's poor form to compare anyone to Hitler...

Hitler killed 7-11 million people.

[Liberal In Texas]

3. Not with this crowd. They're using the Nazi playbook.

And the accepted figure on the Holocaust is 6 million. A horrible number.

[AncientGeezer]

4. I'm talking total...not the Holocaust...

[Liberal In Texas]

9. Oh I see.

Add holocaust with the army and civilian deaths and the blitz and the Russian front etc.
OK....

[lunatica]

22. He killed 5 million Gypsies, political prisoners, gays, the mentally deficient, etc.

[JonLP24]

11. There are far right authoritarians/fascists

Saudi Arabia government off the top of My head. They also kill religious minorities or anyone that doesn't follow their brand.

I think there are probably several Hitlers.

[malaise]

14. How many people were killed during trans-Atlantic slavery? n/t

[sop]

31. Nowhere near as many Native Americans massacred during the era of Manifest Destiny

[malaise]

46. Valid point since there were millions in both cases

[pnwmom]

17. Hitler didn't kill millions of people on Day 1. There was a years-long build-up

which CAN be compared to what we've been going through.

The point is to stop Trump from becoming Hitler, before it's too late.

[AncientGeezer]

23. The trumpanzeee is a puke..abomination..but not Hitler.

My wife's aunt died at Auschwitz...gassed.
Comparing anyone today to Hitler strikes a raw nerve in our family.

We beat Dumpster in '20...he's an 1 and done dumbass

[pnwmom]

36. Trump's just getting started. We don't know what he's capable of

any more than we knew what Hitler was capable of in 1929.

If Trump started dropping nuclear bombs he could end up killing millions of innocents.

[smirkymonkey]

25. +1000

Exactly! Trump is like Hitler at the same stage in Hitler's rise to power. He hasn't killed 6 million people. Yet.

[AlexSFCA]

30. trump has the power to kill way more than that

[AncientGeezer]

32. Any leader with nukes can kill more....fortunately we..

..have sane people in the Pentagon that wouldn't allow the f**kduffle do that.

[atreides1]

33. Hitler didn't kill anyone

He was responsible for millions of dead...from the mentally disabled, to those in the camps, to those that perished on the battlefields of Europe...but the truth is that Hitler never actually killed anyone!!!

But, most important...is the fact that the killing didn't begin until after he had taken complete control of the German government...are you sure you want to wait for that to happen with Trump???

[teamster633]

44. There is still some question as to whether he killed his niece, Geli Raubal,

...in a fit of jealous rage.

[Trumpocalypse]

41. Hitler volunteered for the army nt

[cwydro]

42. Much more than that dear.

11 million in the camps. Doesn’t count war deaths and firing squad massacres.

[treestar]

43. early Hitler

they are comparing him to Hitler of 1933 and worried that it could turn out the same. Remember "never again?"

[struggle4progress]

2. Fifty years ago I predicted the end of life as we know it. Nobody listened to me either.

Live and learn

[AncientGeezer]

5. Yet here we are...50 yrs later with many more people

[triron]

6. Yeah maybe even considered taboo. Like treason.

[captain queeg]

7. I be said I see a lot of parallels to Hitler for a long time

A lot of people don’t like it when you make a Hitler comparison. It’s never stopped the rethugs from using it in ridiculous ways. But It’s almost easier to note the differences. Yes Trump hasn’t killed millions (yet). The most obvious difference to me at this stage of their respective ascendancies, is that Hitler was at least 10 smarter than Trump.

[trev]

10. Well, Trump is certainly ignorant

but I don't think the uneducated Hitler was particularly smart. He had two real skills: 1. The ability to size up the political situation; 2. An astounding oratorical ability.

He wanted to be an artist. He should've been an actor.

[trev]

8. It's not popular to compare anyone to Hitler.

When you do, someone inevitably references Godwin's Law.

I ignore this.

[GoneOffShore]

18. Perhaps you should go and read what Nance Greggs posted today.

Sometimes Godwin's Law doesn't apply. I would posit that this is one of those times.

Remember that Hitler didn't start with gas chambers, execution squads, the SS, the Gestapo, and the entire panoply of horror that he unleashed. He started with small steps - dehumanizing whole groups of people, demonizing the press, excluding entire groups based on his twisted ideas of what it meant to be German.

Back when Tr**Putin announced his candidacy, it was pretty easy to see who he was channeling at his 'rallies'.

I would suggest that the US is presently at a 1933 moment. And I would also suggest that ignoring that is not a good idea.

The Soap Nazi

[trev]

20. Actually, I've done quite a bit of study on Hitler.

His campaign started in the 1920s and should have ended with his incarceration in 1923, except that that jail sentence was just a joke and didn't put an end to his intentions.

My comment on Godwin's Law was meant to convey that I don't care if anyone invokes it; I'll make the comparisons if I want to.

And I DO make the comparisons with the GOP. Have done so a number of times on here.

[JonLP24]

12. K&R

If Trump is removed from office — either through impeachment or the 2020 election — I have no doubt he will cause mayhem in this country. If Donald Trump orders his followers to “fight back,” there will be a wave of domestic terrorism in the United States. Many of these plans are likely already in motion.

I agree. Under Donald Trump America is heading towards greater violence. I have no doubt about it.

Two years ago I was comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. People didn’t believe me. They thought I was being hyperbolic, exaggerating. They couldn’t believe that Trump would build concentration camps. Well, he is doing it now. They’re not death camps, but the definition of a concentration camp is where you are concentrating one element of the population that you consider to be undesirable and therefore need to be segregated and imprisoned. In this case it is undocumented immigrants, primarily from Latin America, who are being put in these concentration camps. The original plan was for Donald Trump to put hundreds of thousands of people in these camps. Trump’s administration is still pursuing that policy.

Part of Trump’s plan is that we will soon, in the United States, going to start having experiences where you are eating dinner in a restaurant, and then Trump’s ICE enforcers will come into the restaurant and pull someone out of the kitchen and most people will just continue eating like nothing happened that is wrong or aberrant. It will be, “Oh yeah, it’s the ICE police, they’re just dragging people off and putting them in buses and driving them to camps.” America under Trump is not far from that situation. It is what Donald Trump wants to do.

https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/two-years-ago-i-compared-trump-to-hitler-nobody-listened/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&u

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Hitler was much much more than concentration camps and ovens.

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When examining Adolf Hitler, one needs to examine his rise, his leadership in the National Socialist Workers Party that morphed into the Third Reich. While not diminishing the concentration camps, the death camps, etc., think about how systematically Hitler destroyed the fledgling democracy in Germany almost immediately after the First World War. It started in beer halls. It moved into the streets. Next thing you knew, freedoms were gone. Freedom to protest. Freedom to petition the Government. Freedom to live in your own home and voice opposition. Freedom to read what you wanted.

So, I don't agree that comparing Trump to Hitler is hyperbole or an unfair comparison. If you made a record, you'd find that every day Trump is dismantling American democracy one small thing at a time and it adds up. While he hasn't had a chance to really change things by an Enabling Act, using an emergency as a reason, don't rule it out.



Anne Frank Centre warns of 'alarming parallels' between Trump's America and Hitler's Germany

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/anne-frank-centre-donald-trump-america-president-hitler-nazi-germany-alarming-parallels-warning-a7884731.html?fbclid=IwAR0tI1G0PIbETogC-T_EA-yiEUuPGlf1TkQK2L6wo1P-yJtXJKtcqmNzad4

[GoneOffShore]

19. This about a thousand times over!

And citing 'Godwin's Law' in beyond disingenuous.

I have no time for those who do at this point, because it would seem to be wilful blindness.

[smirkymonkey]

26. +1000

This! Too many people are comparing Trump's beginning to Hitler's end result. If you compare them at each stage in their rise and see what tactics they used, they are very similar. Which is why it is important that we stop Trump NOW!

[sop]

34. Trump's followers are actually marching through the streets carrying nazi paraphernalia,

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chanting "jews will not replace us." The more violent ones are murdering people in synagogues and his ICE goons are rounding people up and sending them to concentration camps. Invoking Hitler (Godwin's Law) every time an overzealous bureaucrat goes too far is one thing, but Trump's been telling us who he is for some time now. We'd better take him seriously.

[Kid Berwyn]

15. Hitler was a nobody until he found his publicist.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” — Joseph Goebbels

Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

[triron]

16. knr

[trev]

21. OK, let me clarify my post, since several people seem to have misconstrued it.

My point was the same the OP was stating--comparing Trump to Hitler falls on deaf ears. People respond by invoking Godwin's Law and tuning out the real argument. I've had this happen to me many times.

When I said, "I don't listen," I meant that I ignore Godwin's Law and make the comparisons anyway.

I have posted a number of times on here comparing Trump to Hitler. I will continue to do so.

Thanks.

[Beringia]

24. I think he is too confused to be another Hitler

He acts on instinct of what is right for him, and he can't always figure that out. This is why he vacillates.

[treestar]

47. One difference is

Hitler was not seemingly in it just for himself. He really believed his shit about the Aryan race. The Donald is all about himself only. That is much less dangerous.

[FBaggins]

27. Nor should they have

Hitler was leading gunfights with police, charged with treason... and advocating killing those who were unworthy... in the early to mid 20s.

I think we can oppose Trump’s truly unacceptable behavior and positions without making ourselves look ignorant of history.

[gopiscrap]

28. I did I was saying that when he was running

[democratisphere]

29. Impeachment would be the answer except for Ever More Corrupt Mitch McConnell.

[sanatanadharma]

35. Avoid Godwin's law

I think at times that people who say nothing can compare to Hitler must think he was a God. Only a God can conceptually be a "nothing compares".

Meanwhile avoid Godwin's law and only compare Trump's supporters with Hitler supporters; you will NOT be wrong.

[ck4829]

39. Godwin himself has said it's OK to call today's far right "Nazis"

Link to tweet

?lang=en

[unblock]

45. How better to set off the alarm bells?

Compare him to xi? Compare him to some third-world dictator? Compare him to Stalin?

The hitler comparisons are alarming *because they are valid*

[UTUSN]

38. We got shut down comparing to HITLER so I got around it by calling him SHITLER from when

he called some countries "shitholes."

No trouble Copying/Pasting - let me know which paragraphs you want!1 From the O.P.'s article:

*********QUOTE********

.... Two years ago I was comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. People didn’t believe me. They thought I was being hyperbolic, exaggerating. They couldn’t believe that Trump would build concentration camps. Well, he is doing it now. They’re not death camps, but the definition of a concentration camp is where you are concentrating one element of the population that you consider to be undesirable and therefore need to be segregated and imprisoned. In this case it is undocumented immigrants, primarily from Latin America, who are being put in these concentration camps. The original plan was for Donald Trump to put hundreds of thousands of people in these camps. Trump’s administration is still pursuing that policy.

Part of Trump’s plan is that we will soon, in the United States, going to start having experiences where you are eating dinner in a restaurant, and then Trump’s ICE enforcers will come into the restaurant and pull someone out of the kitchen and most people will just continue eating like nothing happened that is wrong or aberrant. It will be, “Oh yeah, it’s the ICE police, they’re just dragging people off and putting them in buses and driving them to camps.” America under Trump is not far from that situation. It is what Donald Trump wants to do. ....

******UNQUOTE****

[ck4829]

40. What are we waiting for? Do they have to be one of the Boys from Brazil?