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Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:49 PM

Anyone else concerned that tRump is going to start another God damn war in the middle east?

Seems like the type who would love to be a "war president." Just like that idiot, Bush.

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Reply Anyone else concerned that tRump is going to start another God damn war in the middle east? (Original post)
Kath2 Jun 2019 OP
Downtown Hound Jun 2019 #1
Kath2 Jun 2019 #4
dchill Jun 2019 #9
calguy Jun 2019 #2
Kath2 Jun 2019 #5
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #3
Kath2 Jun 2019 #6
Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #7
Kath2 Jun 2019 #8
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #12
Kath2 Jun 2019 #14
Arkansas Granny Jun 2019 #24
Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #36
sop Jun 2019 #26
smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #35
trev Jun 2019 #10
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #11
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #13
DFW Jun 2019 #15
Kath2 Jun 2019 #20
Xolodno Jun 2019 #16
Skittles Jun 2019 #17
Skittles Jun 2019 #18
RockRaven Jun 2019 #19
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #21
Kath2 Jun 2019 #22
njhoneybadger Jun 2019 #23
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #25
njhoneybadger Jun 2019 #32
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #38
empedocles Jun 2019 #27
sweetroxie Jun 2019 #28
Hotler Jun 2019 #29
librechik Jun 2019 #30
Kath2 Jun 2019 #33
Dirty Socialist Jun 2019 #31
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dalton99a Jun 2019 #34
Kath2 Jun 2019 #37

Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:54 PM

1. Nope.

If there's one thing today proved, it's that Trump is all bark and no bite. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we didn't attack Iran, especially over a damn drone. But the whole thing was a bluff on his part, and it fits with a larger pattern employed by Trump. He bellows, he threatens, he yells, and he stammers, but if you call his bluff, he folds. Iran called his bluff today, and Trump folded big time.

He has done it many times, and he will do it many more.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:02 AM

4. Hope you are right.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:11 AM

9. The truth is always the opposite of what Trump says...

...and he says he doesn't want a war.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 11:56 PM

2. I was very concerned

But after this so called strike he supposedly called off, I think he's a coward. And that's a good thing in this case.

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Response to calguy (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:03 AM

5. I agree.

It is a VERY good thing.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:00 AM

3. So far, my impression is that he would like people to *think* he'd start a war

because he believes that makes him seem powerful and tough. He'll keep doing the tough-guy routine in order to excite his base (He's so strong and tough on our enemies! Swoon!) but he doesn't want an actual war because, as dumb as he is, he knows, or someone told him, that once a war starts he wouldn't have total control over the situation anymore - and a war with Iran would also make his boss Putin unhappy (and he's also a chickenshit). The problem with acting like he wants a war just because it's good TV for the base is that he could end up starting one without really intending to do it. That's the scariest thing.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:05 AM

6. Excellent thoughts.

As stupid as he is, I think he realizes that he is done in 2020 if we are in another damn war.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:06 AM

7. I'm not so worried he would "start" one, but...

he is just stupid enough to bumble into one.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:10 AM

8. Right about that.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:25 AM

12. That's what worries me, too.

Nobody, including him, knows what he's doing - not the Pentagon, not the Iranians, not our allies (if we even have any anymore). He's terrifyingly likely to do something galactically dumb that makes Iran think he just started a war even if he didn't.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:29 AM

14. That is what scares the hell out of me.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:49 AM

24. He thinks his unpredictability is a strong point.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:13 PM

36. He also thinks he's the smartest guy in the room...

Neither assertion is true, really. Unpredictability may 'work' in the short run, but most of our opponents are playing a long game, and Trump has weakened the US in ways that may never be recoverable, particularly among our allies, or should I say former allies?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 08:10 AM

26. I don't know who will decide if/when we go to war, but I'm pretty sure it won't be Trump

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:09 PM

35. +1000

This. He's too impulsive and too easily manipulated. He doesn't know what he is doing, but could easily be influenced by others who do want war. It's just a matter of whispering in his ear at the right place and right time. He's too volatile. You can't trust him.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:13 AM

10. One might say he's already tried and failed.

Twice, actually, if you include Venezuela.

Fortunately, I don't think he has the machismo to pull a Cheney.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:17 AM

11. He can achieve his goals without a war

Eventually, Iran is going to get squeezed to the point where the mullahs will be willing to give up all the nuke stuff, or the populace will topple them.

With Iran bombing those tankers and shooting down a drone, it will convince the rest of the world to adhere to the sanctions. Once the Iranians shoot down a commercial airliner, the sanctions will tighten. At least it won't be one of ours.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:27 AM

13. But he'll feel so strong and manly if he looks like he's about to start a war.

He's not patient enough to do anything else.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:35 AM

15. You can sing along with our comment:

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Response to DFW (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:53 AM

20. Thank you.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:36 AM

16. Nope.

He won't start one because it requires a lot of complexities, unintended consequences, externalities, etc. Long story short, a shit load of stuff he can't control...and if he can't control it, he can't control the narrative.

We're talking about a guy who won't listen to daily intelligence briefs....now add a war on top of that. He knows he's sunk because he can't handle it. It's why he chose to negotiate with Kim, hoping to diffuse the situation instead of confront. Likewise, he's trying to find a way out of the Iran debacle that he created.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:46 AM

18. ths is what happens when NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:47 AM

19. I'm more concerned that he will do so without meaning to do so, than do so intentionally...

He's scared s--tless of getting blamed for Americans dying, so he has a strong internal disincentive for starting a war...

but he's also ignorant and easily manipulated, and has surrounded himself of Middle East War-mongers of various types (Bolton, Pompeo, Pence) who make it much, much more likely he will start a war without fully appreciating the road he is on, even though it conflicts with his priorities (he's reportedly complained to some advisors that "Bolton's going to get me into a war" -- which of course yields the question: then why are you listening to him?).

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:02 AM

21. I have been concerned ever since Trump took the US out of the Iran nuclear agreement. I

fear “an incident” that triggers our attacking Iran.

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:04 AM

22. I;m already against the nest war.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:22 AM

23. It's what Putin wants or Putin releases the film of tRump with underage girls.

Yes that's what I really believe.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:28 AM

25. Yep, been saying for a while the pee tape is Red Don with underage hookers

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 11:42 AM

32. Probably about the age Ivanka in those creepy photos of father and daughter

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

38. Yep

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 08:16 AM

27. Amend to 'tRump WANTS to start another God damn war SOMEWHERE'

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 09:03 AM

28. Duh!

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 11:23 AM

29. The MIC wants another war. Trump will be the tool to start it.

There are a lot of rich people, Wall St. and corporations that can't make money unless we are at war or in conflict.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 11:27 AM

30. I am certain he will try. And, BTW we are already at war in the mideast.

Yeah, the weapons dealers need to sustain their revenue and the Hawks need their cushy government jobs.

Can't we train them to install solar or work on windmills?

Someday a time will come when that is all we can do. Hope I'm gone by then.

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Response to librechik (Reply #30)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 12:03 PM

33. All about money.

Our "leaders" have learned nothing from Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. They didn't even learn from Vietnam. The U.S. has been complicit, if not directly responsible, for needless death and destruction in these countries. I see no end to these endless wars which makes fortunes for the the few and bring misery to millions.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 11:30 AM

31. Brinksmanship

I think Trump is full of blister and spectacle. Fortunately, he doesn’t have the guts to follow through.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 22, 2019, 02:48 PM

37. Perfect!

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