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The United States of America (formerly known as the Land of the Free) is running concentration camps. These camps are not housing terrorists or criminals who pose a threat to our nations security or the safety of its citizens; they are being used to imprison innocent children.
As though being separated from their parents isnt traumatizing enough, these children are living in filth and squalor. They are being denied every possible human comfort or necessity from bedding, to clean clothing, to diapers. They are being subjected to constant fear, and treatment that no animal lover would allow to befall a stray dog.
Now there is an outbreak of lice. How long before these children have their heads shaved to deal with the situation (sound familiar?) How long before they are tattooed with numbers to keep track of their whereabouts (sound familiar?) How long before theyre used for labour, because work sets you free ( sound familiar?) How long before they are subjected to medical experiments in order to pay for their keep (sound familiar?)
No, no, no surely it will never come to that. Thats what Hitlers supporters said as they watched their neighbours loaded into cattle cars. And thats what Trump supporters are saying now despite whats happening right before their eyes.
The justification for these concentration camps among the Trump faithful is that the parents of these children have broken the law which begs the question: What laws have these children broken to warrant imprisonment under inhumane conditions? By this reasoning, the children of criminals deserve to be punished.
If that be the case, why arent the children of Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen in jail? Theyre both convicted criminals, so why are their kids not languishing in a cell somewhere filthy, lice-infested, cut off from any contact with their law-breaking parents?
Why arent the children of all convicted felons being suitably punished for the sins of their fathers? Why arent the offspring of rapists, drug dealers, and murderers not living in concentration camps alongside the children of migrants?
I think the answer is clear. The children of black and brown law breakers are different from their white counterparts, and thereby less worthy of even a modicum of humane treatment.
Again, that mindset should sound hauntingly familiar, and remind all of us how the children of Jews were also deemed less worthy than their blond, blue-eyed, Germanic-looking schoolmates.
If you are turning a blind eye to how innocent children are being treated, you are no different than the good Germans who denied the stench of crematoriums filling the air. If you are pretending that whats happening right now is somehow NOT happening, you are no different than the German citizens who insisted that concentration camps never existed, and were merely a myth conjured up by lying, thieving, less-than-human Jews.
If you condone the imprisonment and inhumane treatment of children babies, toddlers, kids too young to even understand what laws theyve allegedly broken and what threat they pose to our nation you are as despicable as the Nazi sympathizers who also condoned such behaviour.
So embrace it, wear it, own it. We know who the collaborators among us are and after Nazism was defeated, they didnt fare any better than you will. This might be the opportune time for those cheering the imprisonment of migrant children to check out the living conditions in Argentina.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)real Cannabis calm
(1,124 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)NanceGreggs, your eloquence is something I am going to post everywhere. I hope you don't mind. I'm also going to print it out and distribute it at the VA hospital in Seattle this week when I see one of my MDs. I hope you don't mind that either.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)meant to reply to the OP and not my K&R...
Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,585 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)MASSES of peaceful crowds of people in front of EVERY Republican Senator's home and EVERY Republican House Member's home, with huge banners of pictures showing the children in their caged pens with mylar as their only warmth when sleeping on cold concrete......
It's past time.......flush them out where they live and hide out from their horrific legislation and complicity.........
AND there is no way the Main Stream Republican Owned media can NOT report on and feature that, with out showing how complicit THEY ARE in this whole mess......!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kaiserguy
(740 posts)Lets make it happen
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,783 posts)HYPOCRITES, the lot of them!
They sooner let an innocent immigrant child die due to inhumane treatment and conditions, while they protest against doing the right thing. They are NOT Christian, nor followers of Christ.
question everything
(47,470 posts)and gays, and Jehovah witness and Romas. These are camps that were used, at best, as slave labor, but the purpose was the "Final solution " to eradicate Jews from the face of the earth.
Yes, the camps in the border are horrible but, please, do not cheapen the history of the real concentration camps, or the Holocaust, or even Hitler, by applying them to other venues.
There are still Holocaust survivors among us, there are still camps liberators among us. Talk to them, go to a Holocaust Museum - there are several in the country to learn the real story.
Until then, with all due respect, the people who use this term belittle the memory of all the victims.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)What's happening is exactly what happened in pre war Germany. Those survivors and their families WISH someone would have spoken up.
These people are recreating the exact scenario the Nazis and their enablers and those who denied what was really going on stood by and let happen.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212211917
question everything
(47,470 posts)If someone from Mexico, or other country south of the border will claim them they can be released. Jews had only one way to leave the camp - through the gas chambers.
You, and others, may want to visit a holocaust museum to see what a real concentration camp looked.
majdrfrtim
(317 posts)If so, my heart aches that you -- like too many other Americans -- have no functioning moral compass.
question everything
(47,470 posts)Adults from the Mexico, and Honduras and Guatemala can come and claim them and take them to homes where they can be nurtured.
majdrfrtim
(317 posts)She came here to see her mom. She was hospitalized soon after she got here.
Her mom asked for Darlyn to be released to her.
The government refused.
She died on September 29, 2018 in our governments custody. She was 10.
I STAND BY MY STATEMENT. Do you REALLY believe these innocent children can leave even when someone claims them?
If so, please explain that to this girls grieving parents!!!!
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)You are belitting everyone who has been imprisoned in all the concentration camps throughout history since the Boer War, including the folks held in concentration camps in the US NOW.
And, you are factually and ethically wrong and legally wrong.
What a horrible and misbegotten hill to die on.
You also are conflating the different camps the Nazis had. You are factually wrong there, too.
question everything
(47,470 posts)Read the first paragraphs of the OP - she clearly draws parallels to the Nazi camps.
Traffic Interruptus
(38 posts)shameful propaganda
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)The definition of "concentration camp" is NOT limited only to the camps run by Nazi Germany.
Concentration camps date back to the 1800's, and have been used by many countries (including the United States) for the internment of many, many different groups of people. They have NEVER been the exclusive provenance of Nazis.
You might want to check out this article. Im a Jewish historian. Yes, we should call border detention centers concentration camps.
question everything
(47,470 posts)And if you go back and read the first few paragraphs of the OP they clearly draw from the Nazi camps.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)If you choose not to recognize the obvious similarities of Jewish children being imprisoned in Hitler's concentration camps and migrant children being imprisoned in Trump's concentration camps, that's your prerogative.
Recognizing the similarities is exactly what needs to be done. Pretending that what happened then is not the same as what's happening now is not belittling the victims of the Holocaust - it is instead a refusal to heed their warning that what happened once could happen again.
I cannot imagine anything more "belittling" of the victims of the Holocaust than to ignore their pleas to watch for the resurgence of people being victimized on the basis of their of their race, their ethnicity, their religion.
With all due respect, saying that imprisoning migrant children is somehow "different" than imprisoning Jewish children is a RW talking point.
There is no "difference" - and Trump-humpers suggesting that there IS a difference is to deny the warning that Holocaust survivors have cautioned us against for decades: Don't make the mistake of believing that what happened to us can't happen again.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Legally, ethically, and factually concentration camps. That poster is gobsmacking in their refusal to accept this. It is REALLY insulting to all the folks held in our concentration camps.
Saying they can leave whenever they want?! That is really, really disturbing for them to say that.
question everything
(47,470 posts)Children, and adults in the Nazi camps had no such recourse.
The Bopper
(184 posts)Trumpolini and his followers have literally lets say lost the paperwork on which kid belongs to whom. Its ridiculous to pretend that under any circumstances, these kids are being treated like criminals by Trumpolini and friends to do no more than terrorize the kids is just ignoring reality. You are enabling and condoning their acts.
Hekate
(90,644 posts)You know the US is running goddamned concentration camps. Nearly all those who survived the Holocaust themselves are now dead of old age, but the sons they raised in the US can see exactly what is happening here, and it is monstrous.
Open the eyes God gave you. With all due respect.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)The first concentration camps were during the Boer War, for the Boers. They have been used many times since, including by Nazi Germany. But they are NOT the only ones who used these camps or who still do use these camps. The US government is now running concentration camps - they are the literal definition of them.
And, trying to limit who is "allowed" to be put into concentration camps is insulting everything, and is a very, very dangerous game to play. It is belittling what our govt is doing.
STOP IT!
malaise
(268,930 posts)Atlantic slavery was also a holocaust and these are concentration camps.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And the point was made that it has not gotten there yet. What happened to "never again?" We know it can happen again, but might not be exactly the same. What about calling out the run-up to it - the time where it could get worse, but just hasn't yet?
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)and I have a horrible feeling that when these children "disappear, it will be because they were sold into slavery of some kind, like sex slavery. According to this administration, these people are disposable.
Niagara
(7,595 posts)RainCaster
(10,866 posts)Our SCROTUS has decided to behave like any other despot from a third world country. He has no spine, works for that Putin despot, and has the tiniest weiner in all of the world.
He sees himself as a great Dad to his kids, but he has no idea how to be a father. He has shown himself to be more interested in kissing butt to third world despots than protecting his kids from the world he has created.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Saint Vitus Dance and Tourettes.
Niagara
(7,595 posts)This is absolutely accurate.
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)The effects of this brutality will remain with them for the rest of their lives.
And they did nothing wrong to deserve being treated like this.
Trump and those who do his bidding should rot in hell.
spanone
(135,823 posts)orangecrush
(19,537 posts)What they are.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Genocide of Native Americans
Slavery
Invading countries for profit
Exporting massive amounts of arms
And on and on.
What a country.
people
(624 posts)Our congress, and particularly Nancy Pelosi, should begin impeachment proceedings against Trump immediately solely because he imprisons young children, keeps them in deplorable conditions without soap, heat or access to bathing or clean clothing, and with no access to parents or to any caring adult. How can this be going on now in this country? How can the congress who has the power to protest loudly do NOTHING about this. Impeachment needs to begin NOW. Yes, I asked myself today whether all of us are NOW the good Germans. It sickens me.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 23, 2019, 02:51 AM - Edit history (1)
... about what the Democrats should be doing.
It wasn't the Democrats who put children in concentration camps - it was the Republicans.
Why aren't you demanding that THEY undo the damage their pResident has caused?
THEY have the power to withhold their support of Trump's policies - and instead THEY have rallied behind him.
The "power to protest loudly" is meaningless when the party in power is being praised for imprisoning children.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)people
(624 posts)I know democrats detest what Trump is doing with these children. About a year or so ago when all of this was in the news everyday a large number of U.S. citizens were very upset about it -- even some Republicans were calling their congressional reps. Now it's not in the news much at all. Democrats have the power in Congress now to protest this very loudly and bring national attention to it. Will it do anything if democrats do that? Maybe. It's the same reason people protest in the streets - to bring attention to something, whether or not it will stop anything in the end. Republicans in congress will never do anything about this unless pushed very very hard and even then they probably won't but publicizing this might turn some T supporters or non-voters into voters. We have to do something because they won't. I am not criticizing democrats - I am saying given the situation we should be doing more and doing it very loudly.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You don't have to rely on the Democrats in Congress. You sound like you are not including yourself as a Democrat.
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)
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Hekate
(90,644 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,287 posts)isnt decrying the same thing you so aptly stated given what their decedents went through.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... it's about Republicans.
Israelis didn't put children in US-operated concentration camps. Republicans did.
arthritisR_US
(7,287 posts)done to them back in WW11.
stopdiggin
(11,296 posts)Kind of have to agree. It might be slightly tangential, but it is a valid point. Could it be (gasp) that the Israelis are being just a tag hypocritical? One would think (expect?) if anyone were sensitive to the sight of an historical repeat ....?
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)If they do it to one - they will do it to many.
It feels like a trial balloon for something much bigger.
How many times do I have to say we are seeing the face of evil in America. And it's not just 45 - It's all of its conscientious hateful that support it.
erronis
(15,241 posts)by any means possible.
If we think that this influx of refugees is only because of violence, economic desperation, and hoping for a better life, the wave of people looking for higher ground, food, shelter will overwhelm any border security.
We should be prepared to welcome refugees from the coastal areas of the US also. I'll draw the line at those arriving in Mercedes from NYC however.
emanymton69
(124 posts)*
When USA was able to get away with torturing prisoners (enhanced interrogations), then the next steps naturally will follow. Holding people in concentration camps (using over-crowded cages and depriving them of humane treatment are 'just another brick in the wall') will only be a beginning.
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"IF YOU CONDONE THE IMPRISONMENT AND INHUMANE TREATMENT OF CHILDREN BABIES, TODDLERS, KIDS TOO YOUNG TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT LAWS THEYVE ALLEGEDLY BROKEN AND WHAT THREAT THEY POSE TO OUR NATION YOU ARE AS DESPICABLE AS THE NAZI SYMPATHIZERS WHO ALSO CONDONED SUCH BEHAVIOUR.
SO EMBRACE IT, WEAR IT, OWN IT. WE KNOW WHO THE COLLABORATORS AMONG US ARE AND AFTER NAZISM WAS DEFEATED, THEY DIDNT FARE ANY BETTER THAN YOU WILL. THIS MIGHT BE THE OPPORTUNE TIME FOR THOSE CHEERING THE IMPRISONMENT OF MIGRANT CHILDREN TO CHECK OUT THE LIVING CONDITIONS IN ARGENTINA. "
Your essay is outstanding. Thank you.
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Timmygoat
(779 posts)And was just a child in the UK during WW2, I seem to remember when they marched the Jews into the gas chambers they told them they were going to a communal shower.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)You have put a clarifying punt on this outrageous act against humanity... And children no less.
Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)after release (if that ever happens) when a victim or a collection of victims of this treatment, will commit an act of terror against the U.S. as a result of their treatment in these concentration camps. To which Trump and his supporters will point and say, "See, we told you."
Not only is this incredibly inhumane, it is creating our future enemies.
stopdiggin
(11,296 posts)Absolutely right. We will be dealing with these wounds, and wounded people, for a long long time. We know the struggles and heartbreak of families trying to deal with mental traumas, PTSD, attachment disorder, depression ... All the shortened and stunted lives and dreams. And we're currently whipping up a big fat pile of misery for other families to deal with down the road. Terrorists? Maybe. Prisons and broken lives and families? A dead certainty.
Glorfindel
(9,726 posts)Thank you, as always, NanceGreggs, for saying it just right!
llmart
(15,536 posts)I am curious though. Have you posted this anywhere else or sent this to your local newspapers? Have you sent this to your Senators and Representatives? If your audience is only on DU, then you are preaching to the choir. Since social media seems to be the influencer of our times, is it on Twitter, Facebook, other sites?
Send it to Mitch McConnell and Kirsten Kielsen. Circulate it widely. It's truly that good of an essay.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)How can this be happening in America in 2019?
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I look and hear this despicable man child in the White House and still cannot believe people beyond his White Nationalist core can look and hear that and think yes, I trust him. Its mind boggling.
It is happening here and how far it goes depends on the 2020 Elections. Those of us for truth and Democracy need to show up and vote, if you are able volunteer to help get others there.
We have to nip this in the bud. Watching him do his stupid act to his mindless mob who roar approval is sickening.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)maxrandb
(15,320 posts)"no, no, no it will never come to that here".
They are screaming and crying because it's taking too long "come to that here".
Cruelty is not an accident. It's a Donnie Shit for Brains staple... and like meth addicts, the moronic Retrumplican voters can't get enough of it.
They're like Johnny Ringo in Tombstone. They've all got a giant hole right through the middle of them, and no amount of killing or robbing or cruelty will ever fill it up.
They hate simply because they were born.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,321 posts)It is shocking.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)This issue is what defines all of us on where we fall on the spectrum, and you make that crystal clear. Thank you!
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)The cams at the border meet the definition of concentration camps
Politicub
(12,165 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)I never thought I would live to see such a day.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)Tar them as child abusers. And never, ever try to "work with them".
Until they give in to us on everything America needs to survive for at least 100 years. Which we can expect to take decades. We need commitment, never compromise. Please!
Yes, I'm shamelessly begging for a fight.
And it feels great!