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https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2019/06/woman-indicted-in-shooting-death-of-her-unborn-child-charges-against-shooter-dismissed.htmlMarshae Jones, a 27-year-old Birmingham woman, was indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury on a manslaughter charge. She was taken into custody on Wednesday.
Though Jones didnt fire the shots that killed her unborn baby girl, authorities say she initiated the dispute that led to the gunfire. Police initially charged 23-year-old Ebony Jemison with manslaughter, but the charge against Jemison was dismissed after the grand jury failed to indict her.
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The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby, Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid said at the time of the shooting. It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.
The hypotheticals I see posed on here sometimes are already realities for those on the margins.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)Lucid Dreamer
(584 posts)The prosecutor could have passed on charging pregnant Marshae for murder. Loss of the child is certainly plenty of punishment.
I wrote this response in another thread about the case, but in only analyzes the culpability of the shooter.
Most states have provisions for justifying use of deadly force.
The grand jury knows there was a homicide. Person killed person. Ebony killed fetus.
However GJ decides that the homicide was justified.
Justified because Ebony felt there was an imminent threat to her life from pregnant Marshae's attack.
If Ebony was "innocent"... in other words she did not instigate the attack
and
if Ebony could not avoid the deadly confrontation (it is reported that she did try avoidance)
and
if Ebony had a reasonable belief she was in danger of losing her life or suffering serious bodily injury,
then
Ebony could claim she was justified in the use of deadly force.
The GJ agreed.
Since the initial aggressor was Marshae (so it is said) then Marshae is responsible for injuries or damages suffered in the fight.
Your state laws may vary, but the above applies to a bunch.
Lesson... Don't start a fight.
I am not sure of all the facts in this case, but this seems to be a plausible explanation. I shall keep an eye on this case. If I am in error, I'll let you know.
* I am not a lawyer. Check with a competent on for worthwhile legal advice.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)WTF???
raccoon
(31,110 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)ripcord
(5,346 posts)Attacking someone while you are pregnant is inexcusable and shooting a pregnant woman is horrible. Admittedly we don't know all the details but I don't see how they both aren't at fault.
Tech
(1,770 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)She confronted and attacked the woman who shot her, not the other way around.
It appears likely that the grand jury felt the shooter acted in self defense as they declined to indict her.
Tech
(1,770 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)She initiated the assault and kept at it despite the other woman trying to leave and apparently the grand jury felt the other woman acted lawfully by letting the her go.
ripcord
(5,346 posts)Having said that even in the case of self defense shooting a pregnant woman goes too far, both are at fault.
Tech
(1,770 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)I am entitled to opine on this case whether or not Ive be pregnant.
ripcord
(5,346 posts)It doesn't matter if you are pregnant or not you can't attack people you disagree with, it is even more irresponsible when you are putting your fetus at risk. The other woman tried to get away, someone tried to stop her but apparently she was out of control. Being pregnant does not excuse violent behavior.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The person who actually pulled the trigger and killed the fetus, and attempted to kill the mother, is getting off scot-free, while the mother who was SHOT is the one who was indicted?
I just can't deal with this world anymore.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)And, according to coverage of the case, continued to do so after the other woman attempted to disengage and another person tried to intervene.
The grand jury must have felt the other woman acted in self defense seeing as the declined to indict her.
All over a guy.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Yes, it was stupid and she should have been charged with assault, but she did not fire a gun with intent to kill. I don't know all the details, but the fact that the other woman attempted murder makes her at least as guilty.
However, I am sure if the victim was a white woman this would all be swept under the carpet and nobody would get charged with anything.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)The grand jury felt under the law she acted in lawful self defense or surely they would have indicted her.
Dont know what race has to do with is as both women were black.
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)Everyman Jackal
(271 posts)If she had not attacked the other woman and kept at it she would not have gotten shot. If I am attacked, I will shoot my attacker.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Hekate
(90,645 posts)This is insane
JI7
(89,247 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)really effed up people. What gives with Alabama? They just have to lock up a black person any time it's even remotely possible?
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)The woman who fired the gun was black as well.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)bag one of them. Guess, the girl that lost her baby was the best choice.
lostnfound
(16,173 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)in the hospital for an extended period of time or six feet under and was in the process of doing just that then the woman being attacked had the right to use lethal force in self defense.
The linked article doesnt provide enough information for me to form an opinion on the severity of the attack and if the use of lethal force was justified.
The fact that an innocent baby died is tragic.