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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 07:26 AM Jul 2019

Conditions at El Paso Border Station So Bad Agents Are Drinking and Arming Themselves

https://www.thedailybeast.com/homeland-security-conditions-at-el-paso-border-station-are-so-bad-agents-are-drinking-and-arming-themselves?ref=home


Conditions at El Paso Border Station So Bad Agents Are Drinking and Arming Themselves
Tom Sykes
Published 07.01.19 6:48AM ET


Conditions at an El Paso border station are so bad that agents are drinking heavily and arming themselves against possible riots, the government’s own internal watchdog warned as far back as May, giving the lie to Friday’s claim by a top Trump administration official that reports of poor conditions were “unsubstantiated.” The internal report by the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general said that only four showers at the Texas site were available for 756 immigrants, half of the immigrants were being held outside, and that a cell meant for a maximum of 35 people held 155 adult males, with only one toilet and sink. The cell was so crowded the men could not lie down to sleep. Temperatures in the cells reached over 80 degrees, the report said. Border facilities were “seeing more drinking, domestic violence, and financial problems among their agents,” the report said. The unnamed El Paso facility did have formula and baby food for children, but did not have soft mats for them to sleep on or clean clothing. DHS Acting Secretary Kevin McAleenan said Friday that news stories of poor conditions for children at a border station in the El Paso sector were “unsubstantiated.”
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Conditions at El Paso Border Station So Bad Agents Are Drinking and Arming Themselves (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2019 OP
I remember, seems like a hundred years ago, Corgigal Jul 2019 #1
The Contagion spreads ... GeorgeGist Jul 2019 #2
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jul 2019 #3
What could possibly go wrong there? tanyev Jul 2019 #4
Ahhhh. democratisphere Jul 2019 #6
We have entered the MAD MAX ERA! democratisphere Jul 2019 #5
No one could be around that much misery and not succumb to despair and depression The Blue Flower Jul 2019 #7
The torture goes both ways gratuitous Jul 2019 #9
Too true The Blue Flower Jul 2019 #21
Even the SS has breakdowns during the holocaust. gordianot Jul 2019 #8
Interesting to note how the top officials all lie about it RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #10
Unsubstantiated p was Hitler's response to concentration camps also uponit7771 Jul 2019 #11
that word popped out at me, too. unsubstantiated because we said so. mopinko Jul 2019 #16
Authorities should not arrest anyone they cannot take humane care of. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #12
I said it before, Americans at large only react to visuals AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #13
The SS had to be kept more or less constantly drunk or stoned Recursion Jul 2019 #14
That's why they evolved their method of slaughtering Jews lunatica Jul 2019 #30
The riots should originate from the OUTSIDE! defacto7 Jul 2019 #15
at some level republican strategists are TRYING to create disease outbreaks they certainot Jul 2019 #17
Formula and baby food is for BABIES AllyCat Jul 2019 #18
Witth a pit in my stomach, I do not understand how we do not have access, nor photographic c-rational Jul 2019 #19
Iraq War Vets Flock to Border Patrol Jobs McKim Jul 2019 #20
Einsatzgruppen, Sand Creek - whiskey, vodka, schnapps...whatever it takes Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #22
Yup Recursion Jul 2019 #24
You know what, R - this just occurred to me - if the murderers' actions are so deeply rooted in Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #25
Where are the girls? They_Live Jul 2019 #23
Speaking of the girls Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #27
Guns and booze Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #26
Tens of MILLIONS of the Deplorables mob support NoMoreRepugs Jul 2019 #28
Wait a second fescuerescue Jul 2019 #29

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
1. I remember, seems like a hundred years ago,
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 07:45 AM
Jul 2019

how Trump courted these guys. Went down to border patrol and asked what they wanted. How the agents didn't like Obamas policy because all they could do then, was to set people loose and they wanted to be tough guys.

Well, you got what you wanted. Now go change a diaper and throw a kid in a jail cell.

I'm sure these tough guy border control agents are trying to find another job.

I wish I could remember the article, from years back about how Trump played these guys, but I can't find it right now.

The Blue Flower

(5,440 posts)
7. No one could be around that much misery and not succumb to despair and depression
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 08:35 AM
Jul 2019

The sounds, the smells, the sights must be beyond anything these people have ever imagined. On a purely sensory level, the torture goes both ways at this point.

The Blue Flower

(5,440 posts)
21. Too true
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jul 2019

I wonder what kind of nightmares they have. And how long until they start breaking down. If this is service to your country, you're living in hell. This is so sickening, and those children who survive it will never be okay. These conditions, if not changed, are a slow and painful death sentence.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
10. Interesting to note how the top officials all lie about it
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 08:58 AM
Jul 2019

And they lie so comfortably, dammit: about children being subjected to conditions worse than most concentration camps (look it up!) We're talking Black Hole of Calcutta here, not even the pretense that was arbeit mach frei; and these monsters, like Nielsen and, now, McAleenan, smile on and tell the world that evil is good, pain is fun, starvation and sickness are health and wellness.

Please, Dems, do not let America or the World forget this come 2020. Do not allow the MSM or the Fox propaganda machinery to bury the ugliness of of what Trump and his minions are doing on the border. This unelected administration, among its many high crimes against basic morality and decency, is torturing children as a matter of policy, is treating human beings like pigs in an overcrowded sty, and sneering at the decent humans in America and the World who oppose what they were doing.

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
16. that word popped out at me, too. unsubstantiated because we said so.
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jul 2019

open the gates, motherfuckers, and it wont be unsubstantiated any more.

how quickly we are falling.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
12. Authorities should not arrest anyone they cannot take humane care of.
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 09:03 AM
Jul 2019

Otherwise, the authorities themselves become the criminal........ ......

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
13. I said it before, Americans at large only react to visuals
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 09:36 AM
Jul 2019

we need hidden footage to broadcast worldwide. I wish some courageous DHS employer would do that. How can toddlers survive this hell, it’s beyond me. These are concentration camps that are becoming death camps in front of our eyes.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. The SS had to be kept more or less constantly drunk or stoned
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 09:44 AM
Jul 2019

The cost became a point of worry for the general staff.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
30. That's why they evolved their method of slaughtering Jews
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jul 2019

At first they lined Jews up on the edge of giant pits and shot them. But that was tough on their soldiers, so they devised “more efficient” means of elimination. Gassing and cremation. Most of the work was done by Jews on a rotational basis. Only the ‘best’ Germans were there to make sure it worked. The Good Germans who were sociopaths who enjoyed inflicting pain and death.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
15. The riots should originate from the OUTSIDE!
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jul 2019

Protests should rival anything inside and they should be not only at the detention centers but in DC and the home offices of every GOP congressman. I'm protesting here but where is everyone else? Do we actually think tweets, blogs, FB, online polls or online petitions will do anything? Most of us are cowards. Kudos to those standing in the street and kudos to those who are unable to do so but do what they can bugging their congress persons.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
17. at some level republican strategists are TRYING to create disease outbreaks they
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 10:10 AM
Jul 2019

can use for PR purposes

that's why talk radio is playing up african immigrants in the 'caravans', including that some are from the congo where there's ebola

and who is causing attacks on ebola clinics in congo?

republicans played up heavily the ebola scare in 2014 for their election purposes - it helped them then and they're going to use it again in 2020 elections

and if they're listening to talk radio , as some suredly do, they're going to be very scared and trigger happy

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
18. Formula and baby food is for BABIES
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM
Jul 2019

So they are admitting they have no place for kids to sleep and BABIES are being held in death camps. Nice going Trumpers.

c-rational

(2,590 posts)
19. Witth a pit in my stomach, I do not understand how we do not have access, nor photographic
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 10:27 AM
Jul 2019

documentation of these conditions.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
20. Iraq War Vets Flock to Border Patrol Jobs
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 10:27 AM
Jul 2019

When i had a week long border experience a few years ago I learned that being a Border Patrol Agent was a job favored by iraq and Afghanistan War veterans. They are trained and traumatized over there and then they come to the border. It is no surprise about the heavy drinking, self medicating to overcome the trauma of war and what they are doing to kids and families.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
22. Einsatzgruppen, Sand Creek - whiskey, vodka, schnapps...whatever it takes
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jul 2019

In many testimonies on mass murders of Jews by SS and German police units in the East, witnesses and perpetrators mention that alcohol was present or that the killers were intoxicated. In fact, it is clear from available evidence that alcohol—normally in the form of vodka or schnapps—was often available at murder sites...

...One of the most notorious examples of mass murder in the American West, for example, occurred at Sand Creek on November 29, 1864, when a group of Colorado Volunteers, many of them fueled by whiskey, initiated an unprovoked attack on a settlement of Cheyenne Indians. The men butchered 105 women and children and 28 men.

https://academic.oup.com/hgs/article/30/1/1/1749473

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. Yup
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jul 2019

The Einsatzgruppen had to be kept more or less perpetually stoned. And even so had a suicide rate that absolutely shocked high command.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
25. You know what, R - this just occurred to me - if the murderers' actions are so deeply rooted in
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jul 2019

“righteous superiority” and “knowing” that they’re “doing the right thing”, then why the fuck do they have to get WASTED to carry out these orders???

Seems like they’d want to be sharp and alert so they could remember every detail of how godly and glorious their actions were

Don’t answer, eh...but...well, just wondering out loud

Have mercy

NoMoreRepugs

(9,408 posts)
28. Tens of MILLIONS of the Deplorables mob support
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:39 PM
Jul 2019

this treatment of human beings by condoning it through their silence. That to me is the most troubling aspect of this nightmare, what might they truly be capable of??? Remember, there are hundreds of millions of weapons and billions of rounds of ammunition in the hands of these individuals.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
29. Wait a second
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jul 2019

Aren't border agents ALWAYS armed? against many things, including riots? And please show me a group of 100 people, where at some of them AREN'T drunks?

Hell show me the executive suite of any fortune 500, and you'll find at least one drunk and one gun owner.

Look conditions ARE bad and it's a shitty job, but that is not adding "hotwords" to make a story more appalling. There's plenty of real news to document the Trump administration. This is just enquirer level reporting.

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