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Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:54 AM

How do they get away with it??

Why are they not held accountable?

Why does the law not apply to "these folks" the same way it applies to you and me and most of the people in the world?

How are they able to challenge all the institutions of government, including the courts and the very idea of justice, and suffer no consequences?

How are they able to escape scrutiny around the world?

Why are they able to simply ignore laws that they don't like?

How are they able to commit grotesque crimes and laugh in our faces?

It seems that the laws and the courts were not created for these people.

They are different from you and I.

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Reply How do they get away with it?? (Original post)
kentuck Jul 10 OP
JI7 Jul 10 #1
dalton99a Jul 10 #7
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #32
Chin music Jul 10 #2
Eyeball_Kid Jul 10 #9
Chin music Jul 10 #20
Crunchy Frog Jul 10 #35
Chin music Jul 10 #36
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 11 #42
brush Jul 10 #3
Eyeball_Kid Jul 10 #10
brush Jul 10 #12
Chin music Jul 10 #21
onecaliberal Jul 10 #4
spanone Jul 10 #5
TruckFump Jul 10 #11
spanone Jul 10 #31
saidsimplesimon Jul 10 #28
Eyeball_Kid Jul 10 #6
Yavin4 Jul 10 #8
Fiendish Thingy Jul 10 #13
Chin music Jul 10 #29
ananda Jul 10 #14
ck4829 Jul 10 #27
ProfessorPlum Jul 10 #15
bdamomma Jul 10 #17
bdamomma Jul 10 #16
Paladin Jul 10 #18
Chin music Jul 10 #30
lpbk2713 Jul 10 #19
KY_EnviroGuy Jul 10 #23
CrispyQ Jul 10 #22
Wounded Bear Jul 10 #24
ck4829 Jul 10 #25
Chin music Jul 10 #33
ck4829 Jul 10 #39
WheelWalker Jul 10 #26
Caliman73 Jul 10 #34
Chin music Jul 10 #37
KT2000 Jul 10 #38
SoCalDem Jul 11 #40
kentuck Jul 11 #41
Baltimike Jul 11 #43
RandiFan1290 Jul 11 #44
meadowlander Jul 11 #45
Martin Eden Jul 11 #46
The Mouth Jul 14 #47

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:58 AM

1. same reason the people who killed emmet till and trayvon martin got away with it

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

7. +1

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:25 PM

32. I don't think that bozo who killed Martin was a member of the elite.

He went to trial. FL had a "stand your ground" law and all that. Didn't it go to a jury trial? The courts don't always get it right, as we know. But they get it right most of the time, probably.

Emmit Till was an entirely different matter from Martin and Epstein. It was institutional corruption (based on race) that prevented the murderers from being held accountable. Not murderers who were members of the elite or esp. well connected. It was racism, pure and simple.

Epstein's case is one of a powerful, rich, connected man. Like Bill Cosby.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:20 AM

9. IMO, none of the Congressional chairpeople are in the business

of anticipating the next expression of Trumpy's lawlessness. They should have prepared the next legal battles months ago. But, oh, we're surprised that Trumpy gave us the finger again! Now what do we do?

The Dems should have it all mapped out. Trumpy is very predictable in his defiance. So go with it. Get the Dems's lawyers to prepare for every predictable action by Trumpy and IMMEDIATELY file cases in Court to get the Court to order Trumpy to comply. Squeeze the pimple for Christ's sake!

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Response to Chin music (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:46 PM

35. I completely agree with this post.

I can only say that, with respect to what you describe, this was a completely different site when I found it in 2003.

I often feel literally sick reading many of the threads here these days.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:34 AM

42. ITTMFA

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:04 AM

3. The law has finally caught up with Epstein. As for Acosta, it's coming as well.

Last night a guest on one of the cable news shows, an experienced prosecutor, said that meeting with defendant lawyers are always held in prosecution headquarters but for some reason Acosta big-footed all of his investigators and assistants and met with defendant attorneys at an off-site motel—something never done.

Who knows what happened there while the sweetheart deal was worked out? Something sure smells. Was there a monetary transaction made, an electronic deposit to an off-shore account, a briefcase full of cash?

So many in trump's admin are corrupt so who knows.

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:23 AM

10. Acosta knows how about upward mobility. He also knows about abusing children,

and he doesn't care.

The more this drags on, the more it appears that Acosta is protecting himself from prosecution as a sex offender.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:34 AM

12. Don't you mean he's protecting the sex offenders? Not just Epstein...

but all the enablers and recruiters in his sex ring.

I don't think Acosta was a participant but did he get a monetary reward for the sweetheart deal? That's my question. Why else would he cough up such a lenient sentence to an obviously guilty child molester?

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:14 AM

21. "The Eagle Never Leaves The Nest"....

Aka...First rule of being a prosecutor. They have power in the courthouse. It's their turf.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:07 AM

4. Because rich white men can do whatever the hell they want. Full stop.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:10 AM

5. The 'president' has set the bar lower than snake shit. 'They' follow his lead.

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Response to spanone (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:24 AM

11. IMO, you nailed it with:

..."has set the bar lower than snake shit."

That paints the picture...totally! So sad and so true.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:22 PM

31. 👍🏼😎

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Response to spanone (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:16 PM

28. I'm laughing at the idea.

Rodents spread disease. That's the entire Republican establishment as I calls 'em.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:15 AM

6. It's sociopathy in action. Sociopaths are at the top of the heap.

They give a shit about NO ONE. Everyone is an object to be manipulated, used, and abused. That's who Trumpy is. And his "base" loves him for it. Oh, what a man!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:19 AM

8. Welcome to the Plutocracy.

Government by and for the wealthy.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:35 AM

13. The obstructors have not once invoked Executive Privilege

Only vague, non-existent concepts like "executive immunity" or "constitutional privilege". Therefore, they are all in violation of there subpeonas (and in cases where they were testifying voluntarily, they should be subpoenaed ).

The Trump administration should be forced to formally exert Executive Privilege so that it can be challenged in court, and penalties applied to those who defy court orders.

Of course, if these subpeonas were part of an impeachment inquiry, Executive Privilege would not apply.

I get that these things take time, but Congress is in recess for the majority of the summer- with the Constitution at stake, it can't be business as usual. These delay tactics should be defeated with utmost urgency, not a casual "we'll get around to it after Labor Day". Subpeonas and contempt hearings should be happening daily, not every other week.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:36 AM

14. Because enough people are not activist enough ..

.. in a persistent, determined way.

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Response to ananda (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:11 PM

27. Bingo

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:41 AM

15. It's the golden rule

Whoever has the gold, makes the rules

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:54 AM

17. like Carlin said

we are not in the club.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:54 AM

16. hmm....

I believe justice will be done to these thugs.

These criminals need to locked up.

This is not normal.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:08 AM

18. Because the right wing has worked very hard, for decades, to make it this way.

And until Democrats resolve to ruthlessly wage war on the filthy level that the right has created, we'll keep getting our asses handed to us. Accept the fact that being civil human beings and playing by rules of good conduct is nothing more than a surrender of our country to the forces of evil. Be prepared to do what is necessary---otherwise, get out your white flags and watch trump's second term from behind a razor-wire enclosure.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:10 AM

19. Money and power trump the law.



It's that way all over the world.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:40 PM

23. And, they do it with our (*) money...

that we gave them as profits from our purchases of goods and services. That's where it all begins.

(*) working citizens around the globe.

That money in turn gives them power to game the system in hundreds of ways we cannot - from hiding money in off-shore accounts and "cannot-lose" investments and buying up control of resources and land all over the planet.

Economic inequality is worsening every day.....

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:35 PM

22. We needed a true opposition party the past 45 years,

not one that drifted to the center every time the GOP swerved to the right. Here we are, hanging on to our democratic republic by a few slender threads - the House, the courts, until McConnell totally stacks them, & the blue state governments. And of course, the voters, but for some reason a bunch of them need to be inspired to vote. I don't get it, but it's true.

We'll see what happens after Mueller. I suspect a big fat zero from him & then no followup action from the House. I seriously hope I'm wrong cuz IMO non-impeachment is a losing strategy.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:22 PM

24. This cartoon kind of nails it...



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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:05 PM

25. Because we let them?

I've seen suggestions treating the GOP as no longer a legitimate political party... but that's going too far.

I've seen suggestions saying holding off money and pretty much going on strike when it comes to "Trumpcare"... but insurers wouldn't like that.

I've seen suggestions about deplatforming the far right... but that's a "trash opinion" to have.

Speaking of law and the courts, I myself have suggested using jury nullification to fight back against the court system Trump is creating... but I've been told that's crazy talk and not the role of a juror.

I no longer believe things are "crazy talk" or there are "absurd" forms of activism and I am doing more than just waiting for a chance to vote in 2020 and hoping things will get better however small these ways of fighting back may be, but I hope others join in.

https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf

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Response to Chin music (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:28 PM

39. Thank you

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:08 PM

26. Some people are more equal than others.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:26 PM

34. Power. The perception of power.

One of the flaws of liberalism, especially mixed with capitalism is that the concepts of wealth and power are intertwined with the idea of merit. Before capitalism, when monarchy and theocracy were the dominant forms of distributing power, the monarch and the nobility were considered to be granted divine right to rule. Once monarchy was deposed a new form of order had to be established and wealthy merchants were quick to jump into the vacuum with their claims of being "self made" and virtuous as indicated by their success.

We have gone along with this even in the USA where "All men are created equal". Well, all White men, who owned property. There is an idea that is deeply embedded in society that if you are rich, you deserve to be so and that you have some level of intelligence and thereby some special right to have your opinion count more than others.

While we call many of our elected representatives "public servants" the reality is that we yield power to them freely.

They are different than you and I because we make it so.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:00 PM

38. I think I know

the right wing has been organizing for a long time to take over the country. They had their fraternal organizations, sometimes disguised as religious fraternities such as the Family, and political PR groups. They have courted the corporations and placed people into influential roles that serve to protect each other. tRump is the beneficiary of this but not a player but they can use him.

There were several of these groups that trained these men starting in college and probably still in operation. Loyalty is a big issue for them and it supersedes personal ethics. They stand together and are supremely confident (think Kavanaugh). The Supreme Court is mission accomplished for them to say nothing of the Senate and presidency.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:38 AM

40. Bold...clever...evil and untouchable by law

In order to be held accountable, someone has to hold them accountable.

We always try to negotiate with them to shame them into compliance... They refuse to be restrained and we do not restrain them

That's how they do it.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:39 AM

41. Yep.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:36 AM

43. Gaslighting.

They also own all of the media, so they get to frame the debate...almost every time.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:48 AM

44. Nancy's got this!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:53 AM

45. Starts with "corrupt" and ends with "ion".

Special interests bought the Republicans in congress, then they got them to appoint hand picked judges, then they got those judges to bend the law in their favor.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:13 AM

46. White. Conservative. Evangelicals.

Without the overwhelming support of these "moral majority" types, Trump and his ilk could not get away with their acts of appalling immorality.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:53 AM

47. Rot starts at the top

Congress is not subject to lots of laws they pass. Regardless of President, regardless of party.

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